Spider-Man 2017 film

[TigerClaw]

Its certified fresh with a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spi...rManHomecoming

[ZariusTwo]

I saw it yesterday.

Holland is good, Keaton is fantastic and ties with Zemo and Loki as another marked improvement in MCU villany. Peter's a little too much like a clown for my tastes. If anything, it touches a lot on the comedy found in the Ultimate cartoons but has a mix of the high school drama of Spectacular Spider-Man mixed in a bit with the old Spidey Loves MJ comics from the last decade.

Some anti-climatic moments hurt the momentum, and the final fight isn't all that good, and seems badly edited. Also there's some missed opportunities where he does something else in the city rather than web-swing.

And things are looking up for Mr. Stark since Civil War

Spoiler:

Tony and Pepper have made up, and Tony proposes to her

[ToTheNines]

Been seeing some underwhelming box office tracking, but I just back from a PACKED house. Out here in the sticks, you don't really get crowds like that for Thursday preview showings unless it's Star Wars.

I really liked it overall. If they insist on portraying a young high school Spider-Man, then it was pretty cool to show how in over his head he was most of the time.

Vulture was great. Not even a villain. Just a blue collar, pragmatic man about his money. Hell the whole cast was great. They got some excellent talent for even the smallest roles. I felt weird being so attracted to Liz, but I just checked and Laura Harrier is a year older than me, so we're good.

My one complaint is the overall MCU timeline is now in shambles. My OCD totally took me out of the movie because of the several blunders. Just last year, Vision stated that Iron Man 1 was 8 years prior (which made sense, and put it on 2008 in-universe). Homecoming picks up months later, but blatantly states that Avengers 1 was 8 years ago, too. Irreconcilable on multiple levels.

[Krutch]

I dug it. One of the fresher feeling Marvel entries for sure, which is saying something considering there's 5 Spidey films that have come out in the last two decades that precedes Homecoming.

Spoiler:

Regarding "MJ"...

I don't know. It's one of those things. As written, and as casted, it worked just fine within the context of this film. She had some good deadpan comedic chops, and she was written to be a sweetly observant outsider with a misfit edge. I liked it. BUT... what about any of that is Mary Jane Watson? Why not just make a new character at this point? Hell, her name isn't even Mary Jane, it's Michelle something. There's a lot of huge Mary Jane fans out there... I guess they're not gonna get what they want.

[Shark_Blade]

It's an okay movie for movie. Michael Keaton is amazing and I like that Aunt May is hot now lmao.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Aunt May is not and never SHOULD be "hot". She is a "wise mother" figure, and an older one at that. That was one casting choice I simply could not swallow. Sally was far better, but I prefer the actress from the first trilogy. She was perfect.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Aunt May is not and never SHOULD be "hot". She is a "wise mother" figure, and an older one at that. That was one casting choice I simply could not swallow. Sally was far better, but I prefer the actress from the first trilogy. She was perfect.

What's wrong with her being hot? No need to be age-ist, she can still provide guidance and moral support. She's his aunt, not his grandma. So naturally she's supposed to look young.



They wanted to change things a little bit and move Aunt May away from being a concerned mother figure and into an active human character. And that’s where Marisa Tomei comes in. She's the youngest actor to play Aunt May on screen yet and brings a sense of humor and willingness to get involved that we’ve never seen from Aunt May before.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Aunt May is not and never SHOULD be "hot". She is a "wise mother" figure, and an older one at that. That was one casting choice I simply could not swallow. Sally was far better, but I prefer the actress from the first trilogy. She was perfect.

Yeah, I'm with Shark Blade on this. The purpose of the Aunt May is to serve as a moral compass for Peter as well as kind of have an ear to the ground to how she (i.e. the people) perceives Spider-Man.

Sure, you lose some of the vulnerability that comes with age (Something tells me she's not going to have a hard time finding a romantic partner looking the way she does.) but her foremost defining trait is to be a shoulder to lean on to air grievances and get sound advice. This May is still that.

Spoiler:

Again, this is kind of why I'm okay with this change but not okay with the MJ change.

[Candy Kappa]

Marisa Tomei is over 50, she's a fine pick as Aunt May for a High-Schooler Spidey. Aunt May in the comics are so often comically depicted as ancient, like Gil Kane's depiction of May is a living skeleton

MCU takes a lot of cues from the little good there is from the Ultimate Comics, and Aunt May is a lot younger and spunkier in that universe compared to the 616 Crypt Keeper.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Spoiler:

There's a lot of huge Mary Jane fans out there... I guess they're not gonna get what they want.

You'll find that's been the case for ten years now

[CyberCubed]

Can you believe this woman is 52? Goddamn.

50 year olds in the modern year aged a lot better than 50 years from the 80's or 90's.

Just look at how old Sean Connery looks in the third Indiana Jones movie for example, yet Harrison Ford is older now than Sean Connery was back then and looks better.

[Andrew NDB]

Marisa Tomei has always been adorable. She's aging even better than Jennifer Connelly, and Tomei is older than her.

[CyberCubed]

50 is the new 40. Just like 40 is the new 30, and 30 is the new 20.

These days everyone looks 10 years younger than they really are.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Saw it yesterday.

Spoiler:

Parker is hollowed out to be any cookie-cutter start-up hero trying to impress the big boys. Rather than doing what he does to make sure his powers are used for the greater good, following the words of Uncle Ben (who, by the way, is not mentioned in the film in any capacity), Spidey just wants to be an Avenger for the glory. Replacing Ben as the father figure is Stark, a man of relatively low character who is motivated by guilt more often than not.

Spider-Man's world of rich characters is compartmentalized amid all the Tony Stark nonsense and so much is lost as a result. The Daily Bugle's potential in future installments is effectively decimated by taking Ned Leeds and Betty Brant and making them high-schoolers. MJ Watson's name is wasted on the useless character of Michelle who has absolutely no impact on the film. As others said, you can forget about Aunt May being a wise old woman, as more time is spent watching others compliment her hot bod. The writers only seem to know Spider-Man as the guy who shoots webs and nothing more. Very disappointing for anyone anticipating a real Spidey tale.

[GoldMutant]

We're looking up to a decent opening weekend box-office wise.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/sp...nd-1202489665/

I'd really like to see it twice, once on my own (critical purposes) and then maybe again with my buddy (who I can't see until August).

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Saw it yesterday.

Spoiler:

Parker is hollowed out to be any cookie-cutter start-up hero trying to impress the big boys. Rather than doing what he does to make sure his powers are used for the greater good, following the words of Uncle Ben (who, by the way, is not mentioned in the film in any capacity), Spidey just wants to be an Avenger for the glory. Replacing Ben as the father figure is Stark, a man of relatively low character who is motivated by guilt more often than not.

Spider-Man's world of rich characters is compartmentalized amid all the Tony Stark nonsense and so much is lost as a result. The Daily Bugle's potential in future installments is effectively decimated by taking Ned Leeds and Betty Brant and making them high-schoolers. MJ Watson's name is wasted on the useless character of Michelle who has absolutely no impact on the film. As others said, you can forget about Aunt May being a wise old woman, as more time is spent watching others compliment her hot bod. The writers only seem to know Spider-Man as the guy who shoots webs and nothing more. Very disappointing for anyone anticipating a real Spidey tale.

I agree 100%, you summed it up perfectly. It felt like an average MCU movie so it was at least an enjoyable ride, but as a Spider-Man fan, it's just so disappointing.

Spoiler:

About Uncle Ben, I was very upset that they never mentioned him or that Peter never threw his words at Stark's face. Even in that one scene when Aunt May and Peter are trying to tie a tie, they don't mention how they wish Ben was still with them. He's just completely forgotten because a couple of cry babies whined about seeing him die over and over so now they refuse to acknowledge him. The problem wasn't Uncle Ben dying, the problem was doing yet another origin film. They didn't even make Harry Peter's best friend because guess what, we've seen him before. There's nothing wrong with using Harry again, just ignore the whole Goblin drama and problem solved. I also hated the unnecessarily techy Spider-Man suit. If Stark had just implemented different web-shooter combinations, spider-tracers, and the spider-light thingy, that'd be completely fine. But adding an A.I. and all that other bullsh*t was just overkill. He might as well just be wearing an Iron Man suit.

[drgon78]

Good movie, good characters, good villain, good story, not another origin story, I really liked it.

[Katie]

Originally Posted by Turo602

I agree 100%, you summed it up perfectly. It felt like an average MCU movie so it was at least an enjoyable ride, but as a Spider-Man fan, it's just so disappointing.

Spoiler:

About Uncle Ben, I was very upset that they never mentioned him or that Peter never threw his words at Stark's face. Even in that one scene when Aunt May and Peter are trying to tie a tie, they don't mention how they wish Ben was still with them. He's just completely forgotten because a couple of cry babies whined about seeing him die over and over so now they refuse to acknowledge him. The problem wasn't Uncle Ben dying, the problem was doing yet another origin film. They didn't even make Harry Peter's best friend because guess what, we've seen him before. There's nothing wrong with using Harry again, just ignore the whole Goblin drama and problem solved. I also hated the unnecessarily techy Spider-Man suit. If Stark had just implemented different web-shooter combinations, spider-tracers, and the spider-light thingy, that'd be completely fine. But adding an A.I. and all that other bullsh*t was just overkill. He might as well just be wearing an Iron Man suit.

I'll third this. I liked about 50% of the movie. It felt like the same old MCU movie that I'm getting bored with.

I like the kid playing Spider-Man, and the novice superhero trying to figure it out was ok, but damn I'm over all the jokes and quirky moments in the MCU. It takes away from the story for me. Perfect example for me: that bathroom scene. Good lord that was unecessary and deflated a heartwarming scene for me.

Oh well. I guess if you like the MCU style, you'll like this too. I wanted a Spider-Man movie....not more of the same old same old.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I've also seen people call Vulture a "sympathetic villain" in this movie. How? Keaton gave an acceptable performance, but I didn't think he was someone to sympathize with at all. He just mumbled a few lines about "family" here and there and then tried to kill some people. He doesn't even seem to care when he accidentally blows up that one dude; the scene is even skewed in a humorous direction!

[Katie]

Yeah, that bothered me too. It was an unexpected outcome when he shot that guy, yet he joked about it. Maybe he meant to kill him with what he thought he was shooting, but to make it a joke situation? Again. Detracted from the movie for me.

Others may be ok with it, but its not the tone I prefer in a serious scene.