Season 5 Discussion Thread

[Kit31]

Originally Posted by Faster and Cheaper

I don't think its so much they lost faith, they always were invested from what I heard. Nick's scheduling in general just makes sense to very few.

Ain't that the truth. I hope Nick learns that TMNT isn't like their other shows. There's a whole new demographic than just the younger audience. There are a LOT of fans in their 20's, 30's, and even 40's, too. They can't treat TMNT like they do their other shows. It still will have a bigger fan base than Spongebob ever will.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Kit31

It still will have a bigger fan base than Spongebob ever will.

It would seem the fact it can't get as many viewers as Spongebob repeats is what matters. But perhaps that is more to do with scheduling, promotion, & time slots...

[Kit31]

Originally Posted by Powder

It would seem the fact it can't get as many viewers as Spongebob repeats is what matters. But perhaps that is more to do with scheduling, promotion, & time slots...

It's definitely how it's promoted. Spongebob gets a TON of attention. That show ran its course soooo many years ago. It's painful to watch and personally I hate it now. The show was decent back in its first few seasons but I can't stand it now.

[CyberCubed]

Spongebob is an evergreen property like any other show that goes on forever. The kids watching it now aren't the same ones watching it 10-15 years ago obviously.

[Kit31]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Spongebob is an evergreen property like any other show that goes on forever. The kids watching it now aren't the same ones watching it 10-15 years ago obviously.

It's so freaking maddening, though.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Faster and Cheaper

I don't think its so much they lost faith, they always were invested from what I heard. Nick's scheduling in general just makes sense to very few.

I guess in the days of DVR's catching most things, even with a schedule change, scheduels mean very little these days.

a bad practice for networks to get into, especially if they want to kill show interest and build up.

TMNT was gone for so long, I forgot what happened the last time it left off at one point.

[CyberCubed]

Jesus Christ, this isn't the 90's anymore. People don't have to watch shows on TV and don't use VHS tapes anymore.

The vast majority of kids these days watch shows online. TV ratings are literally meaningless now. After say the mid/late 2000's around 2008 or so....TV ratings worldwide began to decline because everyone started watching shows online instead.

[Chris]

The ratings only matter for one thing - ad revenue. In theory the higher the ratings the higher the price Nick can charge for ad time as more people will be watching the adverts.

I remember several years ago (before Disney bought Star Wars) Rick McCallum spoke about it in relation to the cost of making the live action Star Wars series and why it wasn't cost viable at the time in part because things were still based on ratings even though so many people don't watch live or download/stream. He pretty much came out and said the entire system was broken but the companies couldn't/wouldn't admit it was broken because it was the way they all made money. He was basically talking about needing a platform like Netflix for a live action Star Wars series to be created before Netflix existed (so it will be interesting to see what Lucasfilm bring to that new Disney streaming service in 2019...). He even called out different international licensing deals if I remember right, saying they needed to give everyone access to the content if they were serious about avoiding piracy (no point putting it on iTunes in one country then not selling it in another as pirates will offer it free to everyone, it's so easy to pirate these days if people want to buy content legally don't turn them away because of where they live)

[Powder]

Wasn't quite sure where to post either of these two things so, here goes.

1. Majorly missed opportunity for season 5, they re-branded it "Tales Of The TMNT" yet didn't open a single episode with the line "Let me tell you a story". C'mon, son!

2. Ciro said on IG that he's trying to put an art book in motion, you know, with the developmental material he did for the series. Do want.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Powder

1. Majorly missed opportunity for season 5, they re-branded it "Tales Of The TMNT" yet didn't open a single episode with the line "Let me tell you a story". C'mon, son!

I took note of this and facepalmed upon first watching Scroll of the Demodragon. Just remembered last night when Splinter says it in Turtle Temper. Big miss.

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by Powder

Ciro said on IG that he's trying to put an art book in motion, you know, with the developmental material he did for the series. Do want.

Seriously? That would be freaking sweet! I so want one of those.

[Kit31]

Originally Posted by Powder

Wasn't quite sure where to post either of these two things so, here goes.

1. Majorly missed opportunity for season 5, they re-branded it "Tales Of The TMNT" yet didn't open a single episode with the line "Let me tell you a story". C'mon, son!

2. Ciro said on IG that he's trying to put an art book in motion, you know, with the developmental material he did for the series. Do want.

They actually did...sort of. It wasn't right at the beginning (like the first line), but it was close enough to possibly count. "Lone Rat and Cubs"?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Powder

Wasn't quite sure where to post either of these two things so, here goes.

1. Majorly missed opportunity for season 5, they re-branded it "Tales Of The TMNT" yet didn't open a single episode with the line "Let me tell you a story". C'mon, son!

2. Ciro said on IG that he's trying to put an art book in motion, you know, with the developmental material he did for the series. Do want.

1. Yeah that was a big missed opportunity.

2. Want!!

[Faster and Cheaper]

Originally Posted by Powder

2. Ciro said on IG that he's trying to put an art book in motion, you know, with the developmental material he did for the series. Do want.

I'd be down for that, I had some cool artwork given to me, but unfortunately got thrown out without my permission( still sore about that ) but was able to score some stuff at the wrap party.

Still to have the artwork in a book form would be sweet and I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

[Vicky82]

For anyone who hasn't seen the last 2 episodes of the Monster arc yet

Monsters Among Us is airing on October 11th, not November 5th.

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/tale...aid=tvschedule

[Zog The Magnificent]

Here's a revised viewing order for season 5. I know it doesn't follow the production order, but I think the season watches a lot better in this order. It also allows Mutant Apocalypse to be an alternate future if you found it too depressing.

When Worlds Collide Part 1
When Worlds Collide Part 2
Yojimbo
Osokoshi no Tabi
Kagayaki Kintaro!
The Curse of Savanti Romero
The Crypt of Dracula
The Frankenstein Experiment
Monsters Among Us
Raphael: Mutant Apocalypse
Scroll of the Demodragon
The Forgotten Swordsman
Heart of Evil
End Times
Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady
The Foot walks Again
The Big Blowout
Lone Rat and Cubs

Let me know what you think!

[Kit31]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Here's a revised viewing order for season 5. I know it doesn't follow the production order, but I think the season watches a lot better in this order. It also allows Mutant Apocalypse to be an alternate future if you found it too depressing.

When Worlds Collide Part 1
When Worlds Collide Part 2
Yojimbo
Osokoshi no Tabi
Kagayaki Kintaro!
The Curse of Savanti Romero
The Crypt of Dracula
The Frankenstein Experiment
Monsters Among Us
Raphael: Mutant Apocalypse
Scroll of the Demodragon
The Forgotten Swordsman
Heart of Evil
End Times
Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady
The Foot walks Again
The Big Blowout
Lone Rat and Cubs

Let me know what you think!

I still think the Kavaxas arc should be the first arc in the season.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

For anyone who hasn't seen the last 2 episodes of the Monster arc yet

Monsters Among Us is airing on October 11th, not November 5th.

http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/tale...aid=tvschedule

Ahhhhh, this makes a LOT more sense. So glad they changed it.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Kit31

I still think the Kavaxas arc should be the first arc in the season.

It has to be. Leo breaks his regular swords on Kavaxas' face in the first episode and proceeds to use the Hamato swords the rest of the season. Then Lone Rat and Cubs makes narrative sense right after End Times, since everyone got to say their final goodbyes to Splinter. Anywhere else is just random.

There's very little continuity between anything else, but I see nothing wrong with the production order other than some people didn't like Mutant Apocalypse. But if that's the case, just don't watch it. Or pretend it's an alternate future.

You can't deny it's meant to be watched last. It's 50 years in the future and ends with one more shot of the family together, followed by an homage to the inside cover of Eastman and Laird's TMNT #1:



Perfect bookend.

[asfaloth12]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Here's a revised viewing order for season 5. I know it doesn't follow the production order, but I think the season watches a lot better in this order. It also allows Mutant Apocalypse to be an alternate future if you found it too depressing.

Not a bad order. Yeah, for me (and many others that I've talked to), the Mutant Apocalypse works much better as an alternate reality/future.
I love the idea of finishing with the Crossover and Lone Rat and Cubs (since I have that DVD).

Rant / strong negative opinion about the Apocalpyse Arc under spoiler cut. ( If you can't handle criticism of the arc, please move along):

Spoiler:

Sure, it's depressing and it frankly made everything that came before it meaningless if taken as the official ending. However, it also contradicts the canon continuity and is riddled with plot holes. And let's not forget the piss-poor treatment of April and Karai, as well as Mona Lisa (basically, they disposed of the strong female characters, which sends a rather unfortunate message). And they totally ignored Renet (though, admittedly, that would make sense in an AU). Even as an AU, it's still flawed. At times, I think it may actually work better as a dream/vision. Or, as somebody else jokingly suggested, maybe Raph wrote a self-insert Mad Max fanfic.
Sure people want a happier finale that actually fits with the whole spirit of the show. But, even more than that, they want a finale that's actually good. A lot of us don't feel that it was very good. Ciro's intentions don't really matter to me, and they shouldn't. I can think for myself, and realize that certain things don't add up. Nick actually did the right thing this time by treating it as non-canon and making the crossover the finale (though I'm confused as to why they greenlit the story in the first place, if they didn't like it). It doesn't fit as the conclusion to the canon storyline.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by asfaloth12

Sure, it's depressing and it frankly made everything that came before it meaningless if taken as the official ending.

Why are folks so up their own asses about happy endings? Nobody's entitled to one. Life's hard, & sometimes the door hits you on the way out. Doesn't mean you didn't have fun along the way.

& frankly I think it's pathetic that some of you people want to re-write history because it didn't go the way you'd like it to.