Thor: Ragnarok

[plastroncafe]

I'll be honest, that was on the short list of things that bothered me about the movie. But I imagine by not mentioning her at all it leaves her as an available character to do pretty much anything and go pretty much anywhere.

Narratively it makes perfect sense, but as a fan of the franchise it left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's less that she's being saved, and more that the actress is the lead on a television show and couldn't get the scheduling to work.

I knew that, but it probably ended up working to her advantage. Unless Sif is completely shelved in favor of using Valkyrie exclusively moving forward...

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's less that she's being saved, and more that the actress is the lead on a television show and couldn't get the scheduling to work.

No way. Whatever they intended for Sif in Ragnarok couldn't have been significant, and almost certainly

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would have been inserted into that same "The Warriors Three die in 5 seconds" scene. Maaaybe she would have taken the place of that first stubborn warrior that Hela killed. We know this because Jamie Alexander said that they didn't even bother to contact her until "super short notice" when she was a continent away doing a TV show they knew about well in advance. You don't do that unless it's for a throwaway part. So same difference, same disregard for the intent of the first two movies.

If they were actually serious about utilizing Lady Sif as always intended they would have found a way. Alexander's show isn't shooting 365 days a year.


My general thoughts on the movie:

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I enjoyed the atmosphere, the score, and the general tempo everything moved at. I also found, not surprisingly, a lot of it very funny. But I'm tired of laughing at Thor, and I didn't like them junking everything they'd built in Thor 1 and 2 in the first 5 minutes. Right away, the Warriors 3 are killed off with maybe one line of dialogue. Natalie Portman's Jane barely gets a mention and Lady Sif doesn't even get that. What happened to the love triangle they were building toward with Sif and Jane? Now it's just... here is Lady Sif 2.0, enjoy. Eh. And the jokes are so relentless that even the moments that are supposed to play on the heartstrings (like, I dunno, the death of Odin and the destruction of the entire world of Asgard) just fall completely flat, or are nullified by the next joke. When this makes a ton of money, and it's on track to, I suspect that throwing a ton of jokes and sight gags is going to be the Marvel go-to more than it ever has before. SAD!

[plastroncafe]

I don't think that's sad at all.
This movie. Twice as much money opening weekend from me then even Wonder Woman.

[Autbot_Benz]

I loved this movie its basically Asgardians of the Galaxy. Also Tessa Thompson is gorgeous

[joefsas]

Saw it at the weekend. I loved it! Had an absolute blast!
It's gunna be a looong wait for the dvd...

[RaphaelinSTL]

Quite enjoyed this film a lot.

Taika Waititi is a fantastic film maker and I'm glad so much of his humor found its way in this movie.What We Do in the Shadows is a great, great film.

[DestronMirage22]

Saw it yesterday. It’s a really good film. Easily the best Thor movie yet. Plenty of action, good plot, and although it felt like they overdid it with the comedy at times, it was good for the most part.
Loved all the little easter eggs on the Grandmaster’s tower too.
Hela was a great villain, and I found Cate Blanchett’s portrayal of her very attractive.

About the end-credits-scene:

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We’re assuming that’s Thanos’ ship right? From the leaked Infinity War footage, we see the Guardians of the Galaxy find Thor floating in space, and then he warns them about Thanos, so that scene would have to be after the end-credits.
I wonder what happened to Loki and the Asgardians, then. I don’t think they would’ve killed them off, so maybe Thor distracted Thanos and his fleet while they escaped?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My BFF dragged me to the theater to see this last night.

Damn, I'd been missing out. Thor finally got a good movie! Asgardians of the Galaxy ROCKED. Way better than I'd assumed.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

Saw it yesterday. It’s a really good film. Easily the best Thor movie yet. Plenty of action, good plot, and although it felt like they overdid it with the comedy at times, it was good for the most part.
Loved all the little easter eggs on the Grandmaster’s tower too.
Hela was a great villain, and I found Cate Blanchett’s portrayal of her very attractive.

About the end-credits-scene:

Spoiler:

We’re assuming that’s Thanos’ ship right? From the leaked Infinity War footage, we see the Guardians of the Galaxy find Thor floating in space, and then he warns them about Thanos, so that scene would have to be after the end-credits.
I wonder what happened to Loki and the Asgardians, then. I don’t think they would’ve killed them off, so maybe Thor distracted Thanos and his fleet while they escaped?

Definitely my favorite Thor movie too!

In regards to that post-credits scene...

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Based on the Infinity War trailer, obviously Loki gives Thanos the Tesseract which has the Space Stone within it. I think Thor probably tries to stand up to Thanos and gets his ass blasted across the galaxy, landing on the windshield of the Guardians' ship. I hope Loki gives Thanos the Space Stone in an attempt to save the Asgardian refugees, not because he wants to go back to being a Bad Guy. It would really undo his character arc from Ragnarok

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

My BFF dragged me to the theater to see this last night.

Damn, I'd been missing out. Thor finally got a good movie! Asgardians of the Galaxy ROCKED. Way better than I'd assumed.

Damn, took you long enough! Glad you finally caught it, I think it's a pretty enjoyable flick

[Shark_Blade]

Eh, I like the first 2 movies more, the 3rd is the weakest but in no way a bad movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Eh, I like the first 2 movies more, the 3rd is the weakest but in no way a bad movie.

You liked The Dark World better than Ragnarok?

Please, explain! Pros and cons!

[Cure]

Dark World isn't a non-stop hyuck factory where Thor still acts somewhat like Thor. In Ragnarok he's just another Tony Stark in a universe full of ****ing Tony Starks; quipping wise and gags-a-plenty.

The only thing I liked about Ragnarok is Hulk, and he was barely in it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You liked The Dark World better than Ragnarok?

I dunno, I think I might be in that same boat. "Dark World" has its problems (and I'm pretty sure the solution to them are probably within the reported metric ton of deleted scenes, particularly those involving Malekith that were all cut to make room for more Loki because teh girlz loves the Loki) but it feels like they legit "tried" to somewhat make a Thor movie. Moreso than the first movie did and way more than the third did.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fair points, guys. I guess for me, it felt like they just took Guardians of the Galaxy and redid it with Thor characters. So it pushed all my right buttons... But you're right, it seems REALLY weird that they closed out the trilogy starring the Norse God of Thunder with a bouncy hyper SciFi story. Hell of a course correction.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Dark World is my favorite of the trilogy as well. It was the only movie where I felt we got to explore Thor's world(s). Thor 1 was spent on Earth with 10 brief minutes on Asgard (Jotunheim got some good moments though) and Thor 3 may have well as been GotG 3 with its generic space aliens setting.

[TigerClaw]

Ragnarok is my most favorite of this trilogy, the previous two movies, they were trying to figure it out, and by Ragnarok, I think they found the right tone.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Dark World is my favorite of the trilogy as well. It was the only movie where I felt we got to explore Thor's world(s). Thor 1 was spent on Earth with 10 brief minutes on Asgard (Jotunheim got some good moments though) and Thor 3 may have well as been GotG 3 with its generic space aliens setting.

I agree with all of that. Thor 2 grew all of the characters from the first one while giving us proportionately way more of Thor's world and dialing down the comedy for comedy's sake. Thor 3 is like... let's junk all of the characters and arcs from the first two and just sort of repeat Thor's story arc from the first one (you know, strip Thor down again, make him prove himself "worthy" again) while amping up the laughs even more than part 1.

With a FAKE Planet Hulk story.

[Coola Yagami]

I finally saw it today and I loved it. I liked seeing Banner react to suddenly waking up on some alien planet. Always love the interaction between Thor and Loki. Hela was so bad-ass. She was an awesome fighter and she landed lasting damage on Thor.

The comedy was great though it left me kinda divided. There was a bit of a running gag of whenever a character, be it good or evil, is saying in the middle of saying something serious or dramatic, a pratfall happens. It was cheesy but it was funny. Seeing Valkyrie fall off of her ship since she was drunk during her intro kinda ruined her serious intro, but it was so ****ing funny cause it was so unexpected. The comedy did end at the climax though, so it was all good.

The thing that gets me with the DCCU fans complaining about the Marvel movies being safe and there are no stakes.... Did they even see this movie??? Countless Asgardians died. The Warriors 3 died. THEY DESTROYED ALL OF ASGARD. Thor and them didn't exactly save the day and stopped Ragnarok from coming. Thor lost an eye. I mean, despite people thinking there are no consequences and blah blah, dude, there was a lot of death and destruction going on in this one and it's fitting because they were facing the God of Death. I expect more of the same in Infinity War.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I finally saw it today and I loved it. I liked seeing Banner react to suddenly waking up on some alien planet. Always love the interaction between Thor and Loki. Hela was so bad-ass. She was an awesome fighter and she landed lasting damage on Thor.

The comedy was great though it left me kinda divided. There was a bit of a running gag of whenever a character, be it good or evil, is saying in the middle of saying something serious or dramatic, a pratfall happens. It was cheesy but it was funny. Seeing Valkyrie fall off of her ship since she was drunk during her intro kinda ruined her serious intro, but it was so ****ing funny cause it was so unexpected. The comedy did end at the climax though, so it was all good.

The thing that gets me with the DCCU fans complaining about the Marvel movies being safe and there are no stakes.... Did they even see this movie??? Countless Asgardians died. The Warriors 3 died. THEY DESTROYED ALL OF ASGARD. Thor and them didn't exactly save the day and stopped Ragnarok from coming. Thor lost an eye. I mean, despite people thinking there are no consequences and blah blah, dude, there was a lot of death and destruction going on in this one and it's fitting because they were facing the God of Death. I expect more of the same in Infinity War.

You summed up a lot of thoughts I'd forgotten I'd had. Sometimes Marvel comedy pisses me off, like in Iron Man 3 or Thor 1 and 2. This stuff was way more Guardians of the Galaxy type humor, which worked for me.

And consequences everywhere! KILL those Warriors Three, they sucked and were wasted in these movies. (Sorry if anyone likes them from the comics... I wouldn't know.) And destroy all of Asgard, yeah!