Star Wars Episode 8

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Idk... I take it the original trilogy was more for teenage sci fi geeks back when it hit theaters. I don't remember comedic moments for kids, at least not in the very first one. And Darth Vader was definitely not some funny goofy children's movie villain.

I feel like the movies where made for the people making them.

THEN after they became a big hit, lucas' attitude toward them changed. Just like Gene Roddenberry's attitude toward his legacy.

Then came in the ewoks

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

I feel like the movies where made for the people making them.

THEN after they became a big hit, lucas' attitude toward them changed. Just like Gene Roddenberry's attitude toward his legacy.

Then came in the ewoks

Lmao yeah true.

[Spike Spiegel]

I always figured Lucas started calling them "kids' movies" as a way of saving face after the backlash he faced with TPM.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

I always figured Lucas started calling them "kids' movies" as a way of saving face after the backlash he faced with TPM.

Idk if it's true or not but I heard during a net debate at work last night that Jar Jar was added in TPM to bring some sort of levity in an otherwise serious film, something for the kids while the older people are more engrossed in the story and lore

And dammit.... now that I think about it... I guess that was 3CPO and R2D2's roles in the very first one (The New hope). Damn. I stand corrected.

[Vegita-San]

that would make sense. but they went WAY too far and overboard.
I never found 3P0 annoying personally..but Jar Jar...

Jar Jar might have been the start of dumb-ing down of characters.

[Vegita-San]

oh internet. ahh yes, the old 'it's only basement dwelling women haters who dislike this movie!' mantra

https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/18...on-reddit-fans

[Andrew NDB]

The RLM review is out:

[plastroncafe]

I reject the premise of the Ringer article based on the premise that the people upset represent the Core Fans, as they refer to them.

It gives the people upset a credibility that they're not entitled to.

I get that folks are upset. They don't like a thing attributed to a thing they've loved for years.

But they're not the only folks who love that thing, and as such they're not the only fans.

[ZariusTwo]

[NinjaPug]

This movie has produced the dumbest online petition yet: Requesting that Lucasfilm remove it from the official canon.

Poor neckbeards didn't get their EU Luke and Rey isn't a Skywalker, Kenobi or a female clone of Palpatine.

[Vegita-San]

I thought neckbeards where the ones who gave us this trilogy in the first place.

it's the basement dwellers that are upset about the EU being over written..

[Spike Spiegel]

Caring too much about the people who hate the film is an exercise in futility.

If you like it, you can go see it ten more times. If you don't, you should be perfectly free to spill inordinate amounts of digital ink talking about it.

I doubt the filmmakers care, given the amount of money this thing has already generated. There's probably a good amount of people who will buy tickets just so they can hate-watch it.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Caring too much about the people who hate the film is an exercise in futility.

If you like it, you can go see it ten more times. If you don't, you should be perfectly free to spill inordinate amounts of digital ink talking about it.

Exactly, I hated The Force Awakens, expressed my opinion about it and that's it. The response was overwhelmingly positive for the first year but I didn't come up with conspiracy theories as to why everyone liked it.

I keep getting people that tweet at me and tell me that TLJ is actually well liked by most and that it's only a few vocal people because BOTS & 4CHAN and and....

I'm like what?

If you like it cool, I hate it, I'm happy finally other people agree with me. But when I like something unpopular (TNM) I don't make up lies as to why people hate it.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

This movie has produced the dumbest online petition yet: Requesting that Lucasfilm remove it from the official canon.

Poor neckbeards didn't get their EU Luke and Rey isn't a Skywalker, Kenobi or a female clone of Palpatine.

I don't disagree that it's a dumb petition, but these petitions get started all the time.

My question is why is it "neckbeards" hate this movie Star Wars is awesome and yet for the prequels "It's George Lucas that's wrong"?

Who controls the narrative of when something bad is bad and something bad is not bad?

Also why try to pidgeon-hole everyone who doesn't like the movie because it isn't EU Luke or Rey isn't a Skywalker? I've seen these a lot as excuses as to why people don't like TLJ for petty reasons. I don't like TLJ because it's the same thing as the OT with some slight modifications, many feel the same way. It's not because "the changes are too much for us". Also why wasn't the narrative "the changes are too much for the fans" when it came to the prequels?

[ZariusTwo]

Even if you are happy with the plot twists and changes, the film can underperform in other areas too. For me it was humor and the gender politics.

[Spike Spiegel]

The conflict I see here regarding the main twist is that, for some fans, this is the Star Wars equivalent of publishing The Last Temptation of Christ and then declaring that it is canon with the rest of the New Testament and should be published as part of the Christian Bible from now on.

Even if you are happy with the plot twists and changes, the film can underperform in other areas too. For me it was humor and the gender politics.

The bits with Holdo/Poe were too ham-fisted for my liking. Why couldn't they just have these two characters communicate with each other as part of that arc, to create the camaraderie that is desperately needed among the new cast? Hell, make them the new Han/Leia variant. I didn't think Finn and Rose had any actual chemistry.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by sdp

Also why try to pidgeon-hole everyone who doesn't like the movie because it isn't EU Luke or Rey isn't a Skywalker? I've seen these a lot as excuses as to why people don't like TLJ for petty reasons. I don't like TLJ because it's the same thing as the OT with some slight modifications, many feel the same way. It's not because "the changes are too much for us". Also why wasn't the narrative "the changes are too much for the fans" when it came to the prequels?

Because, it's easier than engaging in intellectual debate and strokes ego and brings moral cookies with 0 effort.
Just call another side "bad people" and we done here.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

The conflict I see here regarding the main twist is that, for some fans, this is the Star Wars equivalent of publishing The Last Temptation of Christ and then declaring that it is canon with the rest of the New Testament and should be published as part of the Christian Bible from now on.

Ehhhh, I think it's more appropriate to compare The Last Jedi to Apocrypha, rather than what is essentially biblical fanfiction.
Unless your having done so was to more succinctly illustrate your point.

I can see where some fans would find that particular twist to be dissatisfying. I'm not one of those people, and really like that sort of thing in my fiction.

The bits with Holdo/Poe were too ham-fisted for my liking. Why couldn't they just have these two characters communicate with each other as part of that arc, to create the camaraderie that is desperately needed among the new cast? Hell, make them the new Han/Leia variant. I didn't think Finn and Rose had any actual chemistry.

I'm still chewing on this, but it seems to me the same arguments I've heard with folks regarding Caps Lock Harry from the later books of Harry Potter, as well as some criticisms of Aang from Avatar the Last Airbender.

It comes down to the story they're trying to tell. Where might doesn't always make right, and where the brash decision isn't always the correct one.

Poe is a brilliant battle general, because he favors short term goals over long term ones. Where as Holdo is the opposite. At the end of the day, she outranked him, and she didn't have to talk with him. He didn't need to know.
But he acted brashly, and...it didn't turn out well for him. Or for a whole lot of folks.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

The bits with Holdo/Poe were too ham-fisted for my liking. Why couldn't they just have these two characters communicate with each other as part of that arc, to create the camaraderie that is desperately needed among the new cast? Hell, make them the new Han/Leia variant. I didn't think Finn and Rose had any actual chemistry.

someone pointed out it was another bit of women right, men acting bad and wrong.

Finn didn't even look like he was bothering to trying to act in this thing. Same goes for Poe. the 'it felt good to hurt them line' looked like it actually just kind of snoozed out of him. Rose was just kind of....there. another new character thrown in for no reason, when we have no real reason to like these older new characters yet.

[AT-Man]

Are people really mad about

Spoiler:

Luke being a projection in the end? He did it so Ben wouldn't be responsible for murdering him, too, because he knew Ben would do him without hesitation. It wouldn't make him a better person and Luke knew it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Poe is a brilliant battle general, because he favors short term goals over long term ones.

Wouldn't that make him a horrible general, in any branch of the Armed Forces? And he's barely holding the rank of commander of what is the equivalent of their Space Navy.

Speaking of which, how do their ranks work? We have "Commanders," which is a Naval rank, flying starfighters... yet we have Generals like Leia, Dodonna, etc., which is an Army, Air Force and Marine rank, which are the ones on the sidelines commanding the starfighter pilots. Is there two different Armed Forces in the Resistance/Rebel Alliance/New Republic, or some alien ranking system that merges both?