Star Wars Episode 8 - Page 48

*Shark_Blade* · 12-21-2017, 12:16 AM

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Director Defends Rey's Parents Reveal. Rian Johnson says the reveal is not a misdirect. That's who her parents are.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/st.../1100-6455770/

Spoiler:

It's been a week since the debut of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In that time, fans, whether they loved or hated the movie, have been unable to stop discussing some of the movie's major plot revelations, including finding out who Rey's (Daisy Ridley) parents are.

In a scene with Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), Rey admits that her parents were "nobody." They were junk traders who sold her off for alcohol money, Kylo adds. Given that many fans spent the last two years theorizing that she was related to a character integral to the Star Wars universe, perhaps even Luke Skywalker himself, this was a bit of a rude awakening. Some even posited the idea that this particular reveal was a misdirection in terms of her actual parents.

However, The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson says that is not the case. Speaking to Collider, Johnson says, "That's what Kylo sees and that's what he tells her and I think he's not lying in that moment. That's what he saw and she seems to believe it when she hears it."

Still, the director admits that things could change in Episode IX, which he isn't writing or directing. However, in his mind, Rey's parents truly were nobody, even if fans are having a hard time accepting it. "I can understand why that answer doesn't feel good. It's not supposed to feel good," he says. "It's supposed to be the hardest thing she could possibly hear in that moment."

As Johnson explains it, giving Rey parents central to Star Wars would have been a bit of wish fulfillment that's just too easy of a solution. "I can understand why Rey would desperately want that and why us, we as an audience, do too," he says. "But we're not here to give Rey an easy time, we're here to put her on the hard path so that she has to...because that's the path of a hero."

Of course, it also helps Kylo in his quest to manipulate Rey into joining his cause. "Kylo is going to use the fact that you don't have that to stand on to try and get you to lean on him in this moment," Johnson says. "And you’re going to have to find the strength within yourself to define yourself in this world."

So while some fans may still be unhappy about the identities of Rey's parents, Johnson clearly didn't make the decision lightly. And in the end, it may opening up far more possibilities for Rey in Episode IX than having her be yet another Skywalker blood relative could offer.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-21-2017, 12:40 AM

Totally meaningless.

*Shark_Blade* · 12-21-2017, 12:51 AM

Yep. If the next director wanted to change it, it can happen. Just like how TLJ did with what TFA built up.

*victory_angel* · 12-21-2017, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

How Rebels against (pseudo)-Empire is something new?

What I meant was something new with the Jedi. The scene where Luke was going to burn down the Jedi temple and the Journals of the Whills but hesitates because he knows that as much as he feels the Jedi no longer have a place in the universe there is still the legacy and history they once held.

Instead Yoda destroys the temple and when Luke is aghast at what his late Master has done to the sacred texts, Yoda just responds “they are no longer needed.”

Instead through Rey (and through Luke) a new history and legacy of the Jedi can be written.

What do we see at the end with those stable kids, one of them was telling his companions about how Luke faced off against Kylo Ren and then when the slave owner bursts in to beat them one of the boys uses the force to pick up his broom and he looks hopefully up at the sky as that shooting star that was meant to symbolize the millenium falcon blasting into hyperspace.

*CyberCubed* · 12-21-2017, 01:09 AM

The fact that the director has to defend that proves how whiny fans are. Some people are so desperate for Rey to be a Skywalker or related to anyone else important that when they find out she's just an unwanted child from random junk traders they whine.

It's almost like some people want the dumb "chosen one" crap they complain about, and they can't handle the fact that it's not the same as their fanfiction they conjured up in their minds over the last 2 years.

I really hope J.J. Abrams doesn't do the opposite, and for the most part he probably won't. The next movie will be the last we see of Rey for a long time, I don't think we need to know she's related to character #42345 when there's a trillion people in the galaxy and every character is from the same family tree.

*Shark_Blade* · 12-21-2017, 01:14 AM

*Andrew NDB* · 12-21-2017, 02:35 AM

Speaking of the Millennium Falcon... is that really shaping up to be this forever thing? Blow that f***er up already, I say. I'd way rather have seen Chewie make an end run with it at the Snoke ship or the Walkers than us not getting Luke for one more movie.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-21-2017, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The fact that the director has to defend that proves how whiny fans are. Some people are so desperate for Rey to be a Skywalker or related to anyone else important that when they find out she's just an unwanted child from random junk traders they whine.

It's almost like some people want the dumb "chosen one" crap they complain about, and they can't handle the fact that it's not the same as their fanfiction they conjured up in their minds over the last 2 years.

But she is already "chosen one" by the story, which makes her look like a "mary sue".
At least if she was related to someone of notice, her abilities and how she is good with Force could have been explained in-universe.

*Krutch* · 12-21-2017, 05:18 AM

I think my favorite part about Episode 8 has been how candid Mark Hamill has been about everything. He genuinely seems like the guy who knows he has nothing to lose so he just keeps taking tiny pot shots at Disney.

Mark's awesome is basically what I'm saying

*ZariusTwo* · 12-21-2017, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Krutch

I think my favorite part about Episode 8 has been how candid Mark Hamill has been about everything. He genuinely seems like the guy who knows he has nothing to lose so he just keeps taking tiny pot shots at Disney.

Mark's awesome is basically what I'm saying

Mark giving zero f*cks and being /ourguy/ is the best publicity this film can possibly have.

*plastroncafe* · 12-21-2017, 07:43 AM

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~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-21-2017, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Mark giving zero f*cks and being /ourguy/ is the best publicity this film can possibly have.

there seem to be two camps of movies now.
either you love it and it's above criticism,

or you hate it and nothing is good.

there seems to be very little middle of the road in todays world.

*plastroncafe* · 12-21-2017, 08:01 AM

That's an easy conclusion to come to when you only listen to your own Echo chamber or go trolling in someone else's.

I've been having a lot of nuanced conversation about this movie, where it fails and where it doesn't, all over the internet.

*Spike Spiegel* · 12-21-2017, 09:04 AM

They could "fix it" in IX. Despite the shortcomings of the movie (and there are many), I think Johnson did have a goal in mind with the story.

I think a lot of fans will have to go through the "stages of grief" with Luke's character development, and just the OT characters in general, if they decide to keep following it.

I think it's a good (or at least competent) movie, but not the best Star Wars movie. The Manichean light/dark struggle, the hammy, operatic dialogue--those things are a part of the narrative identity of the saga. When you take that away, it becomes less of a timeless myth and more of a run of the mill sci-fi/fantasy story. As bad as some parts of the prequels were, these archetypal aspects were always there.

Are there shades of grey in real life? Sure. But the fantasy environment of SW is a different place. There is a kind of nihilism present in TLJ that isn't really in the other movies, and I am not sure if it belongs.

*NinjaPug* · 12-21-2017, 09:11 AM

For those that thought the online audience scores were accurate and thought anyone mentioning bots were involved were delusional:

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/sta...mpression=true

You can also see where the bots were malfunctioning on RT giving negative audience reviews for TLJ under other movies like Shape of Water.

Disney/Lucasfilm isn't going to alter their plans based on nonsense like that especially since it has been successful at the box office.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-21-2017, 09:13 AM

yawn. you don't need bots to show that LOTS of people didn't like this movie.

at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just one big conspiracy theory dreamed up by disney.
It just reads as everything built up by the feigbuster narrative that hollywood has been pushing for the last year.
don't like it, you're a woman hater.

They just can't seem to accept that alot of people think their movies just arn't great?

'taking responsibility' 'alt right' geeze, is this a bad movie, or a terrorist attack article? smh

*Spike Spiegel* · 12-21-2017, 09:21 AM

The gender politics in TLJ weren't nearly as antagonistic and one-sided in this movie as the stuff in Feigbusters. The Rose-Finn thing specifically.

Overall, it was something that approximated actual human interaction in the modern post-feminist [current year].

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-21-2017, 09:22 AM

or at least it tried too.. if the actors cared enough about what they where reading to actually act it out.

*plastroncafe* · 12-21-2017, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

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Are there shades of grey in real life? Sure. But the fantasy environment of SW is a different place. There is a kind of nihilism present in TLJ that isn't really in the other movies, and I am not sure if it belongs.

I disagree, I see nothing but nihilism in the dark side.
Having faith in one's friends being a weakness? That sounds pretty nihilistic to me.

But you bring up an interesting point about realism and the fantasy environment. There's a lot of the arguments in this thread regarding Rey are that it's unrealistic that she can do a thing.

Why is that where the realism line ends? Why do we have to be realistic about Rey's abilities but not realistic about other aspects of the universe?

The prequels were all about trade agreements, but people don't like that Maz was in the middle of a union dispute.

*NinjaPug* · 12-21-2017, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

yawn. you don't need bots to show that LOTS of people didn't like this movie.

at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just one big conspiracy theory dreamed up by disney.
It just reads as everything built up by the feigbuster narrative that hollywood has been pushing for the last year.
don't like it, you're a woman hater.

They just can't seem to accept that alot of people think their movies just arn't great?

'taking responsibility' 'alt right' geeze, is this a bad movie, or a terrorist attack article? smh

Ironic considering all the conspiracy theories you come up with

12-21-2017, 12:40 AM	#942
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	Totally meaningless. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-21-2017, 02:35 AM	#947
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	Speaking of the Millennium Falcon... is that really shaping up to be this forever thing? Blow that f***er up already, I say. I'd way rather have seen Chewie make an end run with it at the Snoke ship or the Walkers than us not getting Luke for one more movie. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-21-2017, 12:16 AM	#941
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Star Wars: The Last Jedi Director Defends Rey's Parents Reveal. Rian Johnson says the reveal is not a misdirect. That's who her parents are. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/st.../1100-6455770/ Spoiler: It's been a week since the debut of Star Wars: The Last Jedi. In that time, fans, whether they loved or hated the movie, have been unable to stop discussing some of the movie's major plot revelations, including finding out who Rey's (Daisy Ridley) parents are. In a scene with Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), Rey admits that her parents were "nobody." They were junk traders who sold her off for alcohol money, Kylo adds. Given that many fans spent the last two years theorizing that she was related to a character integral to the Star Wars universe, perhaps even Luke Skywalker himself, this was a bit of a rude awakening. Some even posited the idea that this particular reveal was a misdirection in terms of her actual parents. However, The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson says that is not the case. Speaking to Collider, Johnson says, "That's what Kylo sees and that's what he tells her and I think he's not lying in that moment. That's what he saw and she seems to believe it when she hears it." Still, the director admits that things could change in Episode IX, which he isn't writing or directing. However, in his mind, Rey's parents truly were nobody, even if fans are having a hard time accepting it. "I can understand why that answer doesn't feel good. It's not supposed to feel good," he says. "It's supposed to be the hardest thing she could possibly hear in that moment." As Johnson explains it, giving Rey parents central to Star Wars would have been a bit of wish fulfillment that's just too easy of a solution. "I can understand why Rey would desperately want that and why us, we as an audience, do too," he says. "But we're not here to give Rey an easy time, we're here to put her on the hard path so that she has to...because that's the path of a hero." Of course, it also helps Kylo in his quest to manipulate Rey into joining his cause. "Kylo is going to use the fact that you don't have that to stand on to try and get you to lean on him in this moment," Johnson says. "And you’re going to have to find the strength within yourself to define yourself in this world." So while some fans may still be unhappy about the identities of Rey's parents, Johnson clearly didn't make the decision lightly. And in the end, it may opening up far more possibilities for Rey in Episode IX than having her be yet another Skywalker blood relative could offer.

12-21-2017, 12:51 AM	#943
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Yep. If the next director wanted to change it, it can happen. Just like how TLJ did with what TFA built up.

12-21-2017, 01:09 AM	#945
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	The fact that the director has to defend that proves how whiny fans are. Some people are so desperate for Rey to be a Skywalker or related to anyone else important that when they find out she's just an unwanted child from random junk traders they whine. It's almost like some people want the dumb "chosen one" crap they complain about, and they can't handle the fact that it's not the same as their fanfiction they conjured up in their minds over the last 2 years. I really hope J.J. Abrams doesn't do the opposite, and for the most part he probably won't. The next movie will be the last we see of Rey for a long time, I don't think we need to know she's related to character #42345 when there's a trillion people in the galaxy and every character is from the same family tree.

12-21-2017, 01:14 AM	#946
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909

12-21-2017, 05:18 AM	#949
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	I think my favorite part about Episode 8 has been how candid Mark Hamill has been about everything. He genuinely seems like the guy who knows he has nothing to lose so he just keeps taking tiny pot shots at Disney. Mark's awesome is basically what I'm saying

12-21-2017, 09:11 AM	#955
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	For those that thought the online audience scores were accurate and thought anyone mentioning bots were involved were delusional: http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/sta...mpression=true You can also see where the bots were malfunctioning on RT giving negative audience reviews for TLJ under other movies like Shape of Water. Disney/Lucasfilm isn't going to alter their plans based on nonsense like that especially since it has been successful at the box office.

12-21-2017, 09:13 AM	#956
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	yawn. you don't need bots to show that LOTS of people didn't like this movie. at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just one big conspiracy theory dreamed up by disney. It just reads as everything built up by the feigbuster narrative that hollywood has been pushing for the last year. don't like it, you're a woman hater. They just can't seem to accept that alot of people think their movies just arn't great? 'taking responsibility' 'alt right' geeze, is this a bad movie, or a terrorist attack article? smh

12-21-2017, 09:22 AM	#958
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	or at least it tried too.. if the actors cared enough about what they where reading to actually act it out.