Star Wars Episode 8

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by sdp;1735968



That's awkward because Rotten Tomatoes just announced that
Rotten Tomatoes Says Its 55% 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Audience Score Is Authentic
Forbes
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Again, just look at this topic to see, the vocal minority is clearly the people who liked the movie.

I'd LOVE for Midnights edge to find out that this was all setup by Disney if Rotten Tomatoes is denying it to be real. after all, they did try to discredit a marvel critic by having the writers organize a campaign against him.

All those bullet points mentioned in that 'alt right' article just SCREAM 'Hate' from the 'positive' side. All the things they slung at us from the feigbuster mess wrapped up in one nice little facebook group that no ones ever heard of before seems too convenient.

[QUOTE=sdp;1735968
No self-awareness from your part? You're literally the other side of the coin.

You even told me in another topic "You cannot be in the middle ground" when I pointed out your side was too extreme for me. .[/QUOTE]

I missed that one. priceless.

I have been reading reviews on other boards. it's very clearly a 'love it or hate it' thing.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

I did not know this, this is actually really cool, I just thought it was NOT-hoth the planet, wish there had been a better way to portray it, the "it's salt" comment went over my head.

What do you mean? There was literally a 20 second scene with one of the "Rebels" walking out and making red as they walked, with the people talking about the salt.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What do you mean? There was literally a 20 second scene with one of the "Rebels" walking out and making red as they walked, with the people talking about the salt.

Not only that, but why would they go back to Hoth, when the hidden base they had on that planet was compromised in Empire?

The red underlayer of the salt was an amazing effect.

Spoiler:

Something I didn't notice, probably because I was too busy musing about how it was nice of Luke to cut his hair, was that he didn't leave footprints when he fought Kylo.

[newfan]

Spoiler:

and dyed the hair and beard for the projection too...I didn't notice the missing foot prints either

[CyberCubed]

I have no idea why people think Lucas' Episode 7 ideas would be any better. I have no desire to see Luke train a new Jedi Order, that likely already happened in the 30+ year gap and will be covered in comics/novels over the next decade anyway.

[Andrew NDB]

Spoiler:

There was really no attempt to even disguise that Luke is a FAKE Luke beyond the initial walk-up from the shadows. From the haircut to the major coloring of his hair and beard, to him whipping out the wrong FAKE lightsaber and not leaving footprints, when the footprints thing was a story point not even 5 minutes beforehand.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by newfan

Spoiler:

and dyed the hair and beard for the projection too...I didn't notice the missing foot prints either

Spoiler:

I thought it was a really nice touch, that they had Luke appear to Kylo and Leia as he looked the last time he saw them both.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What do you mean? There was literally a 20 second scene with one of the "Rebels" walking out and making red as they walked, with the people talking about the salt.

I clearly skipped that day of chemistry class and I"m ignorant on the subject, I don't understand how the red tells us it's a mineral planet. I just thought it was an icy planet and i"m guessing most did too.

I didn't understand the "it's salt" comment, like my mind didn't connect the whole planet was like that, I only thought the ice was salty or I don't know what, I guess I didn't think too much about it and continued watching the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

I clearly skipped that day of chemistry class and I"m ignorant on the subject, I don't understand how the red tells us it's a mineral planet. I just thought it was an icy planet and i"m guessing most did too.

I don't remember them talking about it being a mineral planet (though I probably missed that), I just remember them being crystal clear about "Oh, there's a layer of salt on everything, the ground is red underneath!"

In fact, I remember being alarmed when I first saw the red footprints by the guy that walks out when they first get to Crait. Like, "Oh god, this 'Rebel' is bleeding out, he's just gonna walk out there and drop dead!" But they explained it.

I only thought the ice was salty

"Salty ice" is an oxymoron.

[CyberCubed]

I think what also threw some people off about it being an ice planet were those ice fox creatures. Looked like something out of Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think what also threw some people off about it being an ice planet were those ice fox creatures. Looked like something out of Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

They are actually crystal foxes, not icey ones.

[sdp]

Well, I feel like a dumbass but I still hold in my defense that it was not clear enough

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

They are actually crystal foxes, not icey ones.

The mating must be really interesting.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Spoiler:

I thought it was a really nice touch, that they had Luke appear to Kylo and Leia as he looked the last time he saw them both.

Spoiler:

Yes I'm glad they did that, a little more recogniosable as Luke. There was a shot in that scene where he looked (although aged and bearded) like a shot of him from Jedi.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The mating must be really interesting.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Billie Lourde's character (Carrie's real life daughter) will get a bigger role next movie. I'm kind of surprised she didn't get the role the Asian girl did and get to go to the casino planet. She had a lot more scenes in this movie than she did in the first.

With Carrie's death it would be nice to see her play a more active role to live up to her mothers legacy.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The mating must be really interesting.

Not unlike a porcupine, I wager.

[victory_angel]

Kylo thinks that by striking down Luke he is destroying the Jedi forever. But the Force, the Whills, whatever you like is not something that can be controlled. It’s not something that can be stopped.

Kylo sees the force as untapped power and that is true. It is untapped power and Snoke had taught him to see it that way. But he largely uses it in anger, he’s angry that he can’t live up to Vader’s Legacy, he’s angry at his parents for not being the best parents they could be, he’s angry at the universe around him. So every action he does is that of a petulant child. Force driven temper tantrums.

Rey on the other hand, is a force sensitive. Force sensitives don’t need to come from Jedi legasy.

In the past, force sensitive children were found soon after they were born and brought to the temple to get trained in the ways of the force. Rey is a force user who comes from nothing and lives nowhere. Because of this she clings to those she has come to think of as family such as her friends. Leia and Han being more parental figures to her then her own. And embraces the force not as something that needs to be harnessessed but rather as friend that can guide her.

She is possesses the spirit of Ashla and Kylo possesses the Spirit of Bogan, that is how they have the same level of raw power. And also how Kylo was able to recognize Rey in force awakens. He doesn’t know who she is as a person, but there are aspects from her that he remembers. They two of them are forever at odds, forever seeking to subdue the other. But yet without either of them the universe can’t exist.

That was the whole aspect in the first lesson where Rey was told to reach out with the force and feel and she encounters the extremes of the world around her, life, death, caring and violence, warmth and cold, light and darkness.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

But you bring up an interesting point about realism and the fantasy environment. There's a lot of the arguments in this thread regarding Rey are that it's unrealistic that she can do a thing.

Why is that where the realism line ends? Why do we have to be realistic about Rey's abilities but not realistic about other aspects of the universe?

There are certain rules of storytelling, which allow to create interesting and compelling characters.
It's not about how realistic the world is, it's about how interesting and fleshed out character is. Those two things are different from each other.

I understand why you protect Rey from criticism, because, she is a woman lead in one of the biggest, if not the biggest franchises in existence. And you either genuinely believe that she has no flaws because of that or you think that "good enough" will work too.
But for me, either choice is just lowering your standards in favor of your agenda, which doesn't really make things better for a good representation of women.

And no, Luke wasn't all-powerful Jedi master out-of-the-box. Neither was Aniken, at least in the movies.

And there is a difference between being a good engineer and scavenger and being a good swordswoman and Force user.
It's like saying being good at blacksmithing automatically makes you good at driving cars.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Coming down from on high to talk a little old me? I'm flattered!

It sounds quite ironic, coming from someone who soars on their high horse so high in the sky.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I think you're under estimating how much I enjoy the existential crisis trope.

It suits your character.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Kylo thinks that by striking down Luke he is destroying the Jedi forever. But the Force, the Whills, whatever you like is not something that can be controlled. It’s not something that can be stopped.

Kylo sees the force as untapped power and that is true. It is untapped power and Snoke had taught him to see it that way. But he largely uses it in anger, he’s angry that he can’t live up to Vader’s Legacy, he’s angry at his parents for not being the best parents they could be, he’s angry at the universe around him. So every action he does is that of a petulant child. Force driven temper tantrums.

Rey on the other hand, is a force sensitive. Force sensitives don’t need to come from Jedi legasy.

In the past, force sensitive children were found soon after they were born and brought to the temple to get trained in the ways of the force. Rey is a force user who comes from nothing and lives nowhere. Because of this she clings to those she has come to think of as family such as her friends. Leia and Han being more parental figures to her then her own. And embraces the force not as something that needs to be harnessessed but rather as friend that can guide her.

She is possesses the spirit of Ashla and Kylo possesses the Spirit of Bogan, that is how they have the same level of raw power. And also how Kylo was able to recognize Rey in force awakens. He doesn’t know who she is as a person, but there are aspects from her that he remembers. They two of them are forever at odds, forever seeking to subdue the other. But yet without either of them the universe can’t exist.

That was the whole aspect in the first lesson where Rey was told to reach out with the force and feel and she encounters the extremes of the world around her, life, death, caring and violence, warmth and cold, light and darkness.

I think it's the fatal flaw in both the Sith and the Jedi that they think they can control The Force, and that it exists in a stark binary. Light/Dark. Good/Evil.
So far in this series we've seen people run towards the extremes. Sometimes in fear, sometimes with glee.

What makes Rey different is she seems to want to stay in the middle. To embrace both the light and the dark. And I think that's interesting.