Dragon Ball Super Episode Discussion Topic

[CyberCubed]

18 is the MVP of the arc, but seriously though 17 and 18 both getting some major needed screentime was great. Both of them having a friendship with Goku that was never really seen before was well done. 17 and 18 defending and working with Goku is my favorite parts of the arc.

Master Roshi also got a generous comeback with how well he was treated, and I am still interested to see where they go with Freeza after this arc ends. Gohan was handled alright so far but still hasn't had his big moment yet, I hope he's among the final 2 with Goku.

Piccolo and Krillin were kind of treated like afterthoughts, and Tien was handled horribly. They should have had Buu in the tournament instead of Tien, at least we would have gotten some comedic and silly fights out of Buu and Tien literally did next to nothing.

[Allio]

yeah, getting burned out on the arc. Jiren is so uninteresting. He literally has no personality

I'm almost willing to say Jiren beats Goten for worst character in Dragon Ball. And Goten's only contribution is being one half of gotenks

[CyberCubed]

Jiren still hasn't really been focused on yet, I'll wait till the tournament ends to judge him fully.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Allio

yeah, getting burned out on the arc. Jiren is so uninteresting. He literally has no personality

I'm almost willing to say Jiren beats Goten for worst character in Dragon Ball. And Goten's only contribution is being one half of gotenks

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Jiren still hasn't really been focused on yet, I'll wait till the tournament ends to judge him fully.

You guys should read the manga issues, I have heard that one of the manga issue explains Jirens back story and motives for the tournament.

I do agree that the arc is dragging on it should have been wrapped up by now. Whats crazy is that there is going to be a follow up arc to the tournament of power about before the tournament even ends.....

Spoiler:

This is fan speculation , but bc of the name of the next arc most people think that the grand priest will lead a rebellion against zeno, before the end of the tournament of power or at the end.

[Vegita-San]

i'm still predicting universe 11 will win.

We know universe 7 is fine in the end, but it'll be a shocker.

[Coola Yagami]

Well... it's no surprise that Android 17 (and Freeza) were going to be big names in the tournament. Why bother bringing them back if they were gonna get dropped in the first few minutes. Another reason why the veteran Android 18 got knocked out before her brother the guest star.

I hate that Krillin was the first to go down (I guess cause Yamcha wasn't in it, is he even a fighter anymore to be honest?), but at least he took down a few guys before he went down. Ten Shin Han got it worse, way worse. Roshi and Krillin got entire episodes before they were taken out, and hey, Krillin helped save 18 from an early knockout, so anyone she managed to take out are thanks to him. But wow, Ten didn't even get an episode, just a scene. And then he easily could have used the clones as a way to be 'taken out' while not being taken out, but nope, even the original Ten was taken out.

Jiren doesn't need much personality other than he's awesome and stronger than Goku. I'm sure he'll get developed as the story proceeds.

[Vegita-San]

they havn't done much at all with freiza though.

I would have LOVED an episode that focused on freiza and vegita having to work together to beat an opponent. that never happened. And freiza only had to go golden twice, IIRC and otherwise seems un affected by the whole thing. Same goes for Vegita.

I'm glad we got at least TWO SSJ Transformations during this thing. Although I was hoping for at least One SSJ3 transformation. I would also have liked to see Vegita's Red God Form. This was their opportunity to switch things up a little with things we havn't seen.. and they only really did that with goku.

I personally am not tiring with this arc yet. But I AM curious where they are going to go next. AND what they are going to do with bulmas Japanese VA dying.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think the arc is dragging at all. The problem is only 1 new ep airs a week, and people are used to marathoning Dragonball or at least watching 5 new eps a week like when it aired in the dubs. After this arc ends and you can marathon it rather than waiting for 1 ep a week, it'll flow much better.

I like that it showed how each character was knocked out. When the tournament started many feared half the extra 70 fighters would be knocked out off-screen or in a quick montage and only focus on the important characters.

The entire main cast has been handled well except for Tien, as I said I wish Buu was in the tournament instead due to his power and his comical and silly battles. I'd rather see Fat Buu make a fool of himself and jump around, shape shift, turn people into candy...etc....then see Tien do nothing.

[Allio]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

You guys should read the manga issues, I have heard that one of the manga issue explains Jirens back story and motives for the tournament.

It doesn’t explain anything about Jiren. Reading the manga, toppo and Goku just fought and Toppo just told Goku about someone stronger than him.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Allio

It doesn’t explain anything about Jiren. Reading the manga, toppo and Goku just fought and Toppo just told Goku about someone stronger than him.

I mean it does we learn that orginally Jiren decline to be in the TOP because he didn't want to take part in a competition that meant erasing other universes and said that if universe 11 was in any danger he would leave the Tournment. Its not much but it gives us some character.

[Allio]

Did a recent come out?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

they havn't done much at all with freiza though.

And freiza only had to go golden twice, IIRC and otherwise seems un affected by the whole thing.

I'm sure he'll get more focus now. I am looking forward to seeing Freeza have trouble against someone that isn't Goku. So far he's been picking off all the weaker opponents one by one, and also making sure that Goku doesn't get tossed out.

I mean to be honest, Freeza did have some good scenes with Cabba, and of course, there was the whole part with him seemingly working with Frost only to double cross him in the end.

I do have to say, Freeza has learned to swallow his pride some. The Freeza back in DBZ would recklessly attack Kefla, Hit and Jiren because in his mind, he's the most powerful in the universe and there possibly can't be anyone more powerful than him. He's now learned to be sneakier and try to outsmart his enemies, with whatever plot he has in store for Zeno and whatnot, but also to stand back and let Goku and the rest deal with the stronger opponents that might have possibly been able to throw him off the platform. Ironically, Freeza has learned to tone down his ego faster than Vegeta.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Allio

Did a recent come out?

Here
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/chapt...30/6460?read=1

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I'm sure he'll get more focus now. I am looking forward to seeing Freeza have trouble against someone that isn't Goku. So far he's been picking off all the weaker opponents one by one, and also making sure that Goku doesn't get tossed out.

I mean to be honest, Freeza did have some good scenes with Cabba, and of course, there was the whole part with him seemingly working with Frost only to double cross him in the end.

I do have to say, Freeza has learned to swallow his pride some. The Freeza back in DBZ would recklessly attack Kefla, Hit and Jiren because in his mind, he's the most powerful in the universe and there possibly can't be anyone more powerful than him. He's now learned to be sneakier and try to outsmart his enemies, with whatever plot he has in store for Zeno and whatnot, but also to stand back and let Goku and the rest deal with the stronger opponents that might have possibly been able to throw him off the platform. Ironically, Freeza has learned to tone down his ego faster than Vegeta.

true. i'm not sure where they are planning to go with freiza at this point. he's still evil, but as you said, he's learning to work with others to further his goals. I'm not really sure I want him to turn into an anti hero like piccolo....but the idea is interesting.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

true. i'm not sure where they are planning to go with freiza at this point. he's still evil, but as you said, he's learning to work with others to further his goals. I'm not really sure I want him to turn into an anti hero like piccolo....but the idea is interesting.

It's hard to say. So far his main goal is to use the Super Dragonballs to become more powerful than Zeno (which is kinda weird, I assume even if he tried the wish, Zeno can just be like 'nope' and erase the dragon before it can do anything). We'll see how it goes. I doubt he'd ever be an anti-hero. He'll still want to try to rule the galaxy again... or something. Gohan helped Piccolo turn good, Bulma helped Vegeta turn good....ish.... I don't know who would help Freeza turn good. He still has too much of a hate relationship with Goku.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's hard to say. So far his main goal is to use the Super Dragonballs to become more powerful than Zeno (which is kinda weird, I assume even if he tried the wish, Zeno can just be like 'nope' and erase the dragon before it can do anything). We'll see how it goes. I doubt he'd ever be an anti-hero. He'll still want to try to rule the galaxy again... or something. Gohan helped Piccolo turn good, Bulma helped Vegeta turn good....ish.... I don't know who would help Freeza turn good. He still has too much of a hate relationship with Goku.

There is no way Frieza is going to turn good at least with Vegeta one could argue that nurture played a big role in his development but Frieza is too irredeemable for a Heel-Face turn. Don't get me wrong Vegeta was a bastard slaughtering innocent Namekians but Frieza pretty much does things like that every other week

[PApagreg]

Also if anyone wants more of an depth look of Tien's character history check out this video

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

There is no way Frieza is going to turn good at least with Vegeta one could argue that nurture played a big role in his development but Frieza is too irredeemable for a Heel-Face turn. Don't get me wrong Vegeta was a bastard slaughtering innocent Namekians but Frieza pretty much does things like that every other week

beerus blows up a planet and kills millions once a week.. and he's more or less converted at this point, considering how he's acted during the tournament.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

beerus blows up a planet and kills millions once a week.. and he's more or less converted at this point, considering how he's acted during the tournament.

Beerus is the God of Destruction thats basically his job(even if he sucks at it)

[Vegita-San]

true, but doesn't make it any less evil. if he can convert, no reason freiza can't.

although i kind of hope he doesn't