The problem people seem to have with RotTMNT

[Coola Yagami]

Main problem is at our age, we shouldn't care. Let the kids have their show and when they get older they can research older versions if they want.

We're supposed to be kinda like 'oh, a new tmnt cartoon. Neat. I remember watching them as a kid' and carry on with our adult lives.

I'll always like my 80s collection, read IDW, probably play the games and watch future live action movies, but other than watching the first ep or 2 of Rise, I'm jumping out of the Cubed Train and switching to Casual Lane.

I love the turtles, I'll always will, but I'm not gonna be like 60 and arguing about why Don's mask is the wrong shade of purple in the 10th version of the series.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Main problem is at our age, we shouldn't care. Let the kids have their show and when they get older they can research older versions if they want.

We're supposed to be kinda like 'oh, a new tmnt cartoon. Neat. I remember watching them as a kid' and carry on with our adult lives.

I'll always like my 80s collection, read IDW, probably play the games and watch future live action movies, but other than watching the first ep or 2 of Rise, I'm jumping out of the Cubed Train and switching to Casual Lane.

I love the turtles, I'll always will, but I'm not gonna be like 60 and arguing about why Don's mask is the wrong shade of purple in the 10th version of the series.

I don't understand this way of thinking. Many adults watch cartoons and always will. While it's true all shows are aimed at new kids first and foremost, they also know they'll have an adult following due to the brand.

It's the same thing with Star Wars and any other franchise that spanned generations. It's aimed at both new kids and adult fans.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't understand this way of thinking. Many adults watch cartoons and always will. While it's true all shows are aimed at new kids first and foremost, they also know they'll have an adult following due to the brand.

It's the same thing with Star Wars and any other franchise that spanned generations. It's aimed at both new kids and adult fans.

I would argue that Star Wars is more all ages with kids in mind for toys than things like kids cartoons.
As you pointed out with a franchise like this you'll have fans from various ages.

I don't think I personally know any adults who watch kids shows unless through their children (or have not said they do anyway,) but obviously yes a some do, look at the net.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't understand this way of thinking. Many adults watch cartoons and always will.

But they don't devote their lives to it, or defend it to the high heavens when they come across a casual or someone with differing opinion.

Tastes change man. I find much more excitement in seeing the Black Panther movie or how Dragonball Super will end rather than another episode of the turtles, even if Nick didn't end and they had a 6th season.

[plastroncafe]

I know a lot of adults who watch cartoons, but yeah...if it's something that just suddenly stops appealing to them, they just stop watching.

And depending on how fanatical they are, they might retreat into fanfic should the itch for that particular property need scratching.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't understand this way of thinking. Many adults watch cartoons and always will. While it's true all shows are aimed at new kids first and foremost, they also know they'll have an adult following due to the brand.

Which account for maybe about 0.5% of their ratings and 5% of toy sales. These cartoons are made or broken by whether or not the latest generation of millions of little kids care, not 30 or 40 year-olds. If they can squeeze in some adult stuff (and they will, because the people working on these are 30, 40 year-olds who were Turtle fans once) great, but that wouldn't remotely be a focus or even a required bullet point.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which account for maybe about 0.5% of their ratings and 5% of toy sales. These cartoons are made or broken by whether or not the latest generation of millions of little kids care, not 30 or 40 year-olds. If they can squeeze in some adult stuff (and they will, because the people working on these are 30, 40 year-olds who were Turtle fans once) great, but that wouldn't remotely be a focus or even a required bullet point.

As I was walking around a Toys R' Us closing sale this weekend, I was curious about how a nationwide decline in sales of traditional "toys" and action figures might impact the future of children's cartoons.

BTW, that 16" combining Voltron set is mighty sweet!

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Tastes change man. I find much more excitement in seeing the Black Panther movie or how Dragonball Super will end rather than another episode of the turtles, even if Nick didn't end and they had a 6th season.

Dragonball Super is aimed at kids too, along with adult fans. The entire relaunch of Dragonball since Kai came out was made to refresh that franchise for a new younger generation of kids. And if you think most fans never obsess over Dragonball, you've obviously never been to kazenshuu or any other major Dragonball community. They're having mental breakdowns over power levels debates in Super and all the lore changes from DBZ, like how 17 can somehow be so strong or Roshi, or we now have 3 new Super Saiyan forms. It's the same for any franchise.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which account for maybe about 0.5% of their ratings and 5% of toy sales. These cartoons are made or broken by whether or not the latest generation of millions of little kids care, not 30 or 40 year-olds. If they can squeeze in some adult stuff (and they will, because the people working on these are 30, 40 year-olds who were Turtle fans once) great, but that wouldn't remotely be a focus or even a required bullet point.

Sure. But as said, the people writing the stuff now were the once fans. It's the same thing as modern Star Wars, all the modern stuff is now written by the original fans who grew up with the original stuff, hence the "published fanfiction" feel every new thing has.

All the 30-40 year olds in Hollywood today were all the kids from the 80's or 90's grown up, and now they're essentially taking all the big franchises they grew up with and making them their own. It's the same thing as the way people made stories playing with their TMNT or Star Wars action figures when they were 8 years old, or making their edgy fanfiction when they were teenagers, now they can make all that stuff a reality.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Dragonball Super is aimed at kids too, along with adult fans. The entire relaunch of Dragonball since Kai came out was made to refresh that franchise for a new younger generation of kids. And if you think most fans never obsess over Dragonball, you've obviously never been to kazenshuu or any other major Dragonball community. They're having mental breakdowns over power levels debates in Super and all the lore changes from DBZ, like how 17 can somehow be so strong or Roshi, or we now have 3 new Super Saiyan forms. It's the same for any franchise.

I don't go to those forums so that idiocy escapes me. I just watch what I watch and fanbase be damned.

Sure I'll play the tmnt whenever I get Injustice 2 but I'm jumping ship at Rise. I honestly don't have time to tune in or will go out of my way to see.

I consider DBZ and anime in general as a different thing. Even if it's aimed at kids most amime handle topics and themes that American kids would either find boring or not have the patience for.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Sure. But as said, the people writing the stuff now were the once fans.

But not the people at the TOP, top, the ones actually funding these things and employing those writers. Their hard line is always going to be "How do we reel in the maximum number of little tykes?" And if ever the writers' wishes in any way compromise that, even potentially, the writers are going to lose and be sticky-noted into submission.

For example, I'm certain Ciro only got to do about 20% of what he actually wanted to in the Nick cartoon for this very reason.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which account for maybe about 0.5% of their ratings and 5% of toy sales. These cartoons are made or broken by whether or not the latest generation of millions of little kids care, not 30 or 40 year-olds. If they can squeeze in some adult stuff (and they will, because the people working on these are 30, 40 year-olds who were Turtle fans once) great, but that wouldn't remotely be a focus or even a required bullet point.

No offense, but what happens when some of these kids grow up and into adult TMNT fans? Will they be shoved aside too just like the previous generations were, to be told nut up and shut up when they inevitably complain that all there ever is of TMNT is kiddy fare? Because that's all we ever get given, to justify selling some (now) poorly made mass produced toys from China. Sure there's the comics, but do they compare to having voice acting, sound effects, and music go on right in front of your eyes?

Do you want to be told your fandom is worth less now that you are no longer a kid?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

No offense, but what happens when some of these kids grow up and into adult TMNT fans? Will they be shoved aside too just like the previous generations were, to be told nut up and shut up when they inevitably complain that all there ever is of TMNT is kiddy fare?

Yep!

Sure there's the comics, but do they compare to having voice acting, sound effects, and music go on right in front of your eyes?

That depends who you ask and also comes down to personal taste. It also depends on what kind of comic we're talking about vs. what kind of cartoon we're talking about.

Do you want to be told your fandom is worth less now that you are no longer a kid?

It's not about your stock in the fandom, its about the weight of your vote to TPTB with specific TMNT material that's still very much targeting 5 year-olds. Newsflash: its gone down about 50,000% since you were about 13 years-old.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Do you want to be told your fandom is worth less now that you are no longer a kid?

Isn't that already happening now? Please note how the Marvel and DC movies bring in people of all ages but the live action TMNT movies are packed with kids and the parents they dragged along with them.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Isn't that already happening now? Please note how the Marvel and DC movies bring in people of all ages but the live action TMNT movies are packed with kids and the parents they dragged along with them.

Which isn't really all that different from the reception the first live-action movie got.
I remember reading an article saying the opening weekend and total tallies for that movie would have been higher if the majority of the people going to see it weren't buying children's tickets but adult ones.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Which isn't really all that different from the reception the first live-action movie got.
I remember reading an article saying the opening weekend and total tallies for that movie would have been higher if the majority of the people going to see it weren't buying children's tickets but adult ones.

So it'll always be viewed as a kiddy franchise and not as big of a deal as the next Marvel or Batman movie.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I love the turtles, I'll always will, but I'm not gonna be like 60 and arguing about why Don's mask is the wrong shade of purple in the 10th version of the series.

Well, I can't see arguing things to that extent, but even at 60 I hope I at least still include the fun stuff in life that I still love, and not only boring "adult" things. Having TMNT to debate (said debate doesn't always have to be serious) kind of helps counter balance the common "adult" debate topics like politics and personal finances... ew.