"Be patient. It’s going to be okay. We’re being respectful of the franchise.”

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because the 2012 show had none of those things.

Actually it did.

Love triangle? Check.
Dumb Mike? Check.
Overused horror elements? Check.
Bad writing? Check.
Ugly designs? Check. Very much so.

I do not want to say that other TMNT incarnations were perfect, but all of the above things were indeed present in 2k12 and they ultimately pushed me away from the show.

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

What do you mean?

How am I absurd? I merely stated that every single fan, whether they be a viewer, reader or creator, has/ have differing views of respect, at least for this franchise.

For most people, respect means "treat source material with modicum of attention and understanding", not just take stuff, gut it and add some ******** in a place of what was before, calling it "new creative vision".

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by Sumac

For most people, respect means "treat source material with modicum of attention and understanding", not just take stuff, gut it and add some ******** in a place of what was before, calling it "new creative vision".

True, but Papenbrook isn't wrong in that because people value different things, what some people view as "disrespecting" a franchise others may view as a fresh new take on it, an injection of creativity.

I don't care that all of these differences are present in the new show. I'll check out the first few episodes to see if I like the vibe, and if I don't I'll just stop watching. I do think there's a lot of potential with the added mystical elements though.

Also, does anybody else think the first few episodes will be premiere back-to-back as part of a multi-part story? Since it's a quarter hour show maybe the first four episodes will air on the same night. I hope so anyways

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

True, but Papenbrook isn't wrong in that because people value different things, what some people view as "disrespecting" a franchise others may view as a fresh new take on it, an injection of creativity.

Although in the context they used, to respect something would be to be faithful to the history of a thing, or at the very least the most fundamental parts. Having respect or being faithful kind of conflicts in word use when talking fresh new takes on something...


Unless their idea of being respectful to it is just keeping the most basic, superficial aspects intact... such as pizza, mask colors, and being Turtles.

Two of which could acceptably be dropped or gone retro, the third... well they did try to veer off into different lanes in terms of species but stayed on the same turtle highway.



Maybe someday a show creator will share my perspective of new being more story-based and continuation, allowing them to continue to thrive and have new adventures, rather than going back to the beginning all over again for the billionth time but changing who they are as people in order to be different... (I realize what we know of them now isn't exactly the same as they were in Mirage, but I prefer that it has at least been a very slow 30+ year evolution of who they have become as characters over time. Not this abrupt ridiculous and unnecessary nonsense for the sake of change.)

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Actually it did.
Love triangle? Check.
Dumb Mike? Check.
Overused horror elements? Check.
Bad writing? Check.
Ugly designs? Check. Very much so.

The love triangle got annoying in some eps, but it was ultimately just a running gag. As for dumb Mike? It's a problem in most incarnations, the 2k3 series made Mikey overly annoying after he won the Battle Nexus in Season 2 for the rest of the series.

Overused horror elements? Sure, but they didn't bother me too much. As for bad writing, every show has both its good and bad episodes, so this is the norm. In terms of the main plots they were handled well. As for ugly designs, what are you referring to here?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The love triangle got annoying in some eps, but it was ultimately just a running gag. As for dumb Mike? It's a problem in most incarnations, the 2k3 series made Mikey overly annoying after he won the Battle Nexus in Season 2 for the rest of the series.

Overused horror elements? Sure, but they didn't bother me too much. As for bad writing, every show has both its good and bad episodes, so this is the norm. In terms of the main plots they were handled well. As for ugly designs, what are you referring to here?

That's just it, depends what bothers you. Things like the horror elements being used a lot were there but it didn't ruin it for me either. The new show will have it's mystical theme which will bother some and not others. Things like designs are matter of opinion.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because the 2012 show had none of those things.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The love triangle got annoying in some eps, but it was ultimately just a running gag. As for dumb Mike? It's a problem in most incarnations, the 2k3 series made Mikey overly annoying after he won the Battle Nexus in Season 2 for the rest of the series.

Overused horror elements? Sure, but they didn't bother me too much. As for bad writing, every show has both its good and bad episodes, so this is the norm. In terms of the main plots they were handled well. As for ugly designs, what are you referring to here?

We might discuss whether those elements were good or not, but denying that they were present is rather meaningless.

Originally Posted by sdp

Who knows how the show will turn out; Batman Beyond didn't look good on paper either but it's easily one of the coolest takes on it.

Batman Beyond had very competent show runners behind it.

As an example of another good "radical" reboot, I can think of Beast Wars.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Sumac

We might discuss whether those elements were good or not, but denying that they were present is rather meaningless.

How quickly one changes what little mind they have when they get called out on something ;o)...


Yeah. Batman beyond worked, because it had people who knew what the hell they where doing, and respected the franchise. the only things they really changed was the time the series took place in. everything else was pretty damn recognizable as batman staple.

Turtles is kind of a different beast than batman.

Now you have Playmates with more control. and their only concern is selling toys. and that's never good for a series, plot wise.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Yeah. Batman beyond worked, because it had people who knew what the hell they where doing, and respected the franchise. the only things they really changed was the time the series took place in. everything else was pretty damn recognizable as batman staple.

Hilariously enough, Batman Beyond arose from the concept of Batman being teenager and going to school, proposed by some higher ups at WB. Team that was working on Batman TAS saw it, was horrified and reworked it into what we have today.
It's kind of proves my idea that there is no such thing as bad concepts, only bad executions.

Later, WB attempted to make Batman schoolboy again (look Gotham High) and they eventually made this concept real with that series about female DC characters.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Actually it did.

Love triangle? Check.
Dumb Mike? Check.
Overused horror elements? Check.
Bad writing? Check.
Ugly designs? Check. Very much so.

I do not want to say that other TMNT incarnations were perfect, but all of the above things were indeed present in 2k12 and they ultimately pushed me away from the show.

That's just our resident troll trolling again ;o)...pay him no heed.

But yeah. all that stuff above , AND adding in super long breaks that where sometimes months apart didn't exactly make me have a love fest with this series.

I think this is the only series so far where some shows I've barely watched once, and some i had to force myself to finish.

This new series, so far, does not exactly SCREAM respect. It screams of 'This series has b een rebooted so many damn times, How can we make it feel different and look new?' the first iteration of this idea was Platinum Dune turtles. they apparently KNEW we'd hate the designs, but went ahead with them anyway because they looked different. and we all knew how respectful THAT version was.

[sdp]

Spicing things up is always good, taking a new approach is usually good as well. This new show is neither of those, it's one of those desperate attempts at trying to make a brand appealing again with style over substance. It's natural people are not going to like it.

Who knows how the show will turn out; Batman Beyond didn't look good on paper either but it's easily one of the coolest takes on it. However if we go by history most of these radical for the sake of doing something new and unique like this don't work since fans don't like it, they steered too far from what makes the franchise and whatnot. I tend to like these weird alternate takes like Gilligan's Island in outer space, but more of a novelty.

It's perfectly understandable for people to be upset about this even if they're "casual" fans, even big nerds like Black Nerd and Pixel Dan seem to try very hard to be positive about it and they are always positive about everything.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by sdp

It's perfectly understandable for people to be upset about this even if they're "casual" fans, even big nerds like Black Nerd and Pixel Dan seem to try very hard to be positive about it and they are always positive about everything.

don't they get paid too, or at least incentivized too?

[sdp]

We haven't seen the show or even a trailer either to know it's outright "trash". People have the right to be critical since it does seem like not the best direction but it also doesn't deserve to be treated like crap since it hasn't even aired.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

don't they get paid too, or at least incentivized too?

Black Nerd has to be paid whenever he hosts stuff for companies like the latest reveal of Rise or the commentary at E3 or whatever but besides getting exclusives and free swag I doubt they get paid. Youtubers/bloggers are literally some of the cheapest marketing that has become available to companies since it's easy to get fans to shill for them.

They do it because they're living the dream, they get to talk about stuff they like and receive inside info/merchandise because of it. They were hardly ever critical even before they became their marketing shills, just now they have to be even less critical. I followed Pixel Dan and Black Nerd way before they were famous so while I don't enjoy their content much more anymore since it's a caricature of what they used to do, I can't say they're only shilling for money, they're just big fanboys and that's cool, more power to them.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

That's just our resident troll trolling again ;o)...pay him no heed.

But yeah. all that stuff above , AND adding in super long breaks that where sometimes months apart didn't exactly make me have a love fest with this series.

I think this is the only series so far where some shows I've barely watched once, and some i had to force myself to finish.

This new series, so far, does not exactly SCREAM respect. It screams of 'This series has b een rebooted so many damn times, How can we make it feel different and look new?' the first iteration of this idea was Platinum Dune turtles. they apparently KNEW we'd hate the designs, but went ahead with them anyway because they looked different. and we all knew how respectful THAT version was.

Vegita-San finally calls out Cubed for hypocrisy.

But yeah, weren't there at least a few members that used to be excited for Bay and Platinum Dunes to work on a TMNT film before the trailer reveal?

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Vegita-San finally calls out Cubed for hypocrisy.

But yeah, weren't there at least a few members that used to be excited for Bay and Platinum Dunes to touch upon on TMNT film?

I usually try NOT to engage with idiots, as no one wins.. but every once in a while, it's deserved . but, what do I know. I'm clueless. ;o).

I think the only ones who where excited about PD's where plants. or very VERY optimistic people.