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Originally Posted by Redeemer
I am curious, where you guys are getting your information from? The guy in question who was shot was breaking into car and had "Prybar/toolbar" that he was using breaking into cars. He fled from the police. None of this would have happened if this guy had not decided to break into cars or even yet not run from the police. It is unfortunate that he lost his life. But the officers do have a right to protect themselves. Also it sounds like they did cross a line when they repeatedly shot him while he was on the ground previously shot.
Prophet Ganja You say that particularly minorities are getting shot when in fact more white people are killed by police than any other race. Also your cynical comment about police protecting corporate/political interests is very insulting and I promise you that most Officers sign on to protect and serve.
Also Prophet Cops are not getting "Away" with it. A minnesota cop is being indicated for Murder and a Oklahoma Reserve Cop plead guilty to manslaughter. Unfortunately the National Media is not reporting this, because they want to report divisive or controversial topics or even out at times push a narrative they want to portray.
I will be following this closely, bc I am curious to see what happens.
I think we need to implement a National Standard with Law Enforcement Training and I think at a early age we need to teach kids not to run from police and to follow their instructions to prevent future tragedies like this.
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You are either misunderstanding statistics or willfully misinterpreting them, which I hope is not the case. Black people in America, as pointed out, make up a relatively small percentage of the population yet must deal with some of the heaviest hands in matters involving the police. Very rarely do they get the same benefit of the doubt that white people get. Denying that fact is either naive or malicious depending on your intent.
I don't think you can tell me why most people sign up to be a part of the police force because that is something only the individual in question can know for certain, and they can easily make up a false reason to tell other people. I don't claim to know why most cops chose to become cops but I do know that many of them abuse their power, as studies have shown that power almost always has a tendency to corrupt if left unchecked, plus the evidence presented to us in the news so regularly (unarmed civilians committing dubious crimes and being killed because an officer "feared for their life").
The cop who shot the unarmed Australian woman in Minnesota (who, if I recall correctly, was in fact the person who actually called the police) is facing charges. Is it a coincidence that the cop involved in that incident is black? Let's hope so. That's still only one cop out of the near countless police shootings of civilians that occur each year in America. A person committing a crime is not grounds to murder them, it is simply justification to arrest them and process them through the justice system (which has its own numerous flaws).
And so your solution is to enforce compliance with an armed police force by teaching children not to question authority but to simply follow orders? I feel like you would have loved Germany in the 40s.
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Originally Posted by Redeemer
Those stats are misleading, bc the fact is Blacks/African Americans have far more counters with police than any other ethnicity in the United States in distribution with their population.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-43
People point out the percentage, but ignore fact that Black/African Americans commit THE MOST MURDERS, more than any other ethnicity in the U.S. despite only being 12% of the population. My point being is WE NEED TO STOP ALWAYS BLAMING POLICE AND INTERVENE IN THESE LESS FORTUNATE COMMUNITIES. We need to promote education and give adequate resources so that these young men and woman will turn to crime to begin with. It flat out sucks some of the conditions a lot of these neighbor hoods are in. Another problem is that Officers are mistaking everyday items for guns, especially officers who are in gang units. I will try to find the study, but essentially the study shows that officers who work in the gang unit are more likely to mistake a black man/woman for having a gun, bc of mental shortcuts the brain creates from experience, at least that is the theory..
Look at my post above, those stats do not take into the fact that Black Minority have more run ins with law enforcement compared to other ethnicity given their percentage of the population. Like I said that stat is extremely misleading.
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How have you completely divorced the situation that many black people find themselves in from its historical concept? You do realize that the vast majority of black people living in America were brought here hundreds of years ago, stripped of their culture and humanity, forced to work in inhuman conditions until death, and then even after they were declared "free" were forced to deal with rampant prejudice and unfair laws? Jesus ****ing Christ man, read a his try book. At the least, read up on the history of police here in America, which you claimed weren't founded to protect corporate/sociopolitical interests. Time Magazine did a
piece on it a last year.
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Originally Posted by Redeemer
I agree that prosecutors are put into a precarious position when having to prosecute an officer which brings the internal validity into question which is why I believe each state should have a special state prosecutor that oversees cases against cops considering that a state prosecutor will most likely have no previous relationship and less bias.
But I disagree the justice system is not slanted towards cops. Officers jobs puts them in that position by nature, think about it. Most cops are engaged in physical altercations when a police killing happens. Meaning they can easily claim self defense and also because murder requires intent it is hard to make a case for this. Its not just a black thing.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-daniel-shaver
As I said before because of the nature of the job and the fact that murder has to have clear intent or malice it is difficult to convict a cop. You can not find much clearer video. Again if people would simply listen and obey this would not happen nearly as often.
Again from the stats and evidence and studies I have seen this is not a race issue and its not always the cops fault.
I will reiterate this is why I think we need a national standard for training police officers and I think a special state prosecutor should be assigned to review all cases. Also I think we need to teach kids at a early age to listen and respect law enforcement.
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I don't even know what else to say, man, I think it's pretty apparent that you've drunk the "Blue Lives Matter" Kool-Aid and you ain't coming back from that anytime soon.
I'm not saying that there aren't any good cops out there, I'm just saying that you need to be more willing to question what is passed off as the "official" story and why hundreds of unarmed citizens needed to die for no reason, or at least why countless more black citizens are simply shot down while white citizens are brought in unharmed.
Thanks Candy Kappa, dl316bh, and everyone else who posted relevant statistics/facts in this thread