Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel - Page 3

*newfan* · 03-25-2018, 04:26 AM

I loved Buffy back when it was on but as for whether they will do anything more. I'd imagine they would likely do something more live action, like a movie (but new cast/re-boot)

Just a comment going back to the series, It's a shame Buffy and Angel were eventually under different networks as they never got to cross again.
I first really picked it up I think in early 3rd season...maybe end of season 2 so I enjoyed marathoning the first 2 seasons on DVD.

*Krutch* · 03-25-2018, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by newfan

I'd imagine they would likely do something more live action, like a movie (but new cast/re-boot)

It's a shame Buffy and Angel were eventually under different networks as they never got to cross again.
I first really picked it up I think in early 3rd season...maybe end of season 2 so I enjoyed marathoning the first 2 seasons on DVD.

That's the logical, popular choice - a movie reboot of a nostalgic tv show. But years ago when Fox announced their plans for a Buffy movie reboot, the reception was so overwhelmingly negative they immediately stopped development. I couldn't tell if it was more the mere thought of rebooting it that outraged the fandom or that Fox had no intention of bring Joss aboard for it, but either way, I have to assume Disney doesn't want to light that match again.

Last Jedi aside, Disney's a pretty play-it-safe company when it comes to making movies, so I figure the animated route is their safest bet. If you like it, bonus - more fun with the characters you love. If you don't like it, it's harmless since it's animated and kind of it's own thing that doesn't effect the original series.

As far as the Buffy/Angel crossovers go... ehhhh. I mean, I'll be honest: I never really liked Angel on Buffy. He was pretty flat and when he left, Buffy was able to grow without being so hung up on him.

But there were a few crossover episodes (less than five, if memory serves.) Buffy comes to Angel for a really strong episode. And I appreciate Angel showing up for the Buffy finale. But I preferred they kept their journeys seperate from each other once he left.

*newfan* · 03-25-2018, 04:53 AM

I remember talk of a movie, SMG had commented years back that she feels like they make a mini movie in every ep, so no need for a movie... or something like that (this was a while back and not sure if this was before the actual intention to do it) I didn't realise they wouldn't use Whedon.

I liked Angel in Buffy but the show didn't need him after he left...at the same time he was a strong enough character to carry his own show.

Edit: So far as the animated idea, I see your point, they could do it, but would they try to make it more kid-like? I know it wasn't like cert R/18 but still it was PG13 there? Rated our 'in between' cert 15 here.

*NinjaPug* · 03-25-2018, 07:59 AM

There was an article about a week ago where someone at Fox TV said they talk about bringing Buffy back all the time but won't do it until Whedon is ready.

I bet that happens sooner rather than later. Whedon's name is pretty much garbage these days and probably doesn't have a lot of job opportunities.

*newfan* · 03-25-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPug

There was an article about a week ago where someone at Fox TV said they talk about bringing Buffy back all the time but won't do it until Whedon is ready.

I bet that happens sooner rather than later. Whedon's name is pretty much garbage these days and probably doesn't have a lot of job opportunities.

Oh so he wasn't on board rather than they didn't want him? Well I'd check out something new with it.

*Krutch* · 03-25-2018, 09:04 AM

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Whedon's name is pretty much garbage these days and probably doesn't have a lot of job opportunities.

Dude still has a long career ahead of him. He'll make movies or television or books for the rest of his life. He's established with a built in fanbase. He was asked the impossible to "fix" Justice League and everyone knows that. And the news of his affair, while I'm sure damages his image to some, isn't exactly #metoo level kind of stuff.

I do think you're right about him returning to Buffy soon, though. I think he might feel the need to, one, win back some of his core fans in light of his affair and two, be in charge again with minimal meddling from studios. And I think him writing Buffy comics over the next few months may find him falling in love with the property all over again.

That's my guess, anyway.

And this is a big, big reach but the synopsis for Season 12 that Joss is writing says...

"Buffy finds herself in a time warp that could alter the fate of the world and could spell the end for Buffy, her friends, and the Slayers, forever."

This miiiiight be a way to undo some events done in the finale, setting up the "chosen one" rule once again for a new show.
Doubtful, but hey, it's possible. I'm sure he doesn't want to piss off any fans that have invested in the comics over the years.

*Metalwolf* · 03-25-2018, 08:46 PM

I think I will be the odd person out and say that I prefer the old original movie much more over the tv series. The episodes I really enjoyed though was the one episode about the were-hyena people and the time they tried to bring Buffy and Dawn's mother back from the grave using a dark ritual, the video game too, that was awesome.

I remember liking Spike a lot, enough to name a pet after him (a little black male lamb born to one of my ewes with a big white spot on his head) and we thougt it fit him really well.

The thing that did annoy me a lot was Willow's breaking up with her werewolf boyfriend and the breakup being so tramatic, it 'turns' her lesbian. To me it's just an old crappy trope that makes me stop taking a character seriously because it just makes them look petty and dramatic, like they just gave up totally on all men and now swing women just because of one cheating jerkwad of a boyfriend.

*Krutch* · 03-25-2018, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Metalwolf

I think I will be the odd person out and say that I prefer the old original movie much more over the tv series. The episodes I really enjoyed though was the one episode about the were-hyena people and the time they tried to bring Buffy and Dawn's mother back from the grave using a dark ritual, the video game too, that was awesome.

The thing that did annoy me a lot was Willow's breaking up with her werewolf boyfriend and the breakup being so tramatic, it 'turns' her lesbian. To me it's just an old crappy trope that makes me stop taking a character seriously because it just makes them look petty and dramatic, like they just gave up totally on all men and now swing women just because of one cheating jerkwad of a boyfriend.

I like the movie for what it was. It's interesting to watch now to see all the little seeds of ideas planted within it, and how they honed in on what worked.

Yeah, the videogames were all surprisingly decent. The one for GameCube was the best one imo. It's a long, long, long shot but I'd love to have a Buffy game in VR someday. Would likely be a fan project if anything.

I never got the impression that Oz's breakup with Will "turned" her lesbian. I never saw any connective tissue between Oz and Tara at all, to be honest (outside of the one episode he came back for.) It just felt like a break up, followed by meeting someone new.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-25-2018, 11:46 PM

Ooh! Hreat thread. My fave Buffy ep? Hush. Hands down. Followed by the mysical one. Angel I loved the one where they went to Lorne's home dimension in Pylia.

*Krutch* · 03-26-2018, 12:15 AM

Hush is brilliant. Angel I don't tend to rewatch as much but I remember the one you're talking about.

If you're into the show, I'd really recommend subscribing to The Passion of the Nerd's channel. He's going through each episode breaking down themes and such. I usually use this video of his to introduce friends to the show....

*sdp* · 03-26-2018, 12:20 AM

I used to love this show called Big Wolf on Campus, I re-watched it recently and still think it's great. I know many people described it as Buffy for kids and as much as people have always raved about Buffy I never got a chance to get into it.

*newfan* · 03-26-2018, 07:43 AM

I can't think of a fav ep off the top of my head, just going over the seasons in my head, I don't remember the last one being one of my favourites.

A for characters, yeah I liked Spike too (mentioned above) the likeable bad guy (or lovable a**hole I've sometimes referred) , sort of like Crowley in Supernatural although Spike did eventually become one of the good guys.

Dawn took some time for me, I got used to her being around by the end but didn't like her character for a large part. Not watched the eps in a while though.

*Wesley* · 03-26-2018, 10:32 AM

Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel are two of my top 3 favourite dramas. Up there with the 1960s tv series The Fugitive.

I liked Buffy and Angel when they were still airing around 2002/2003, even though I only saw some episodes here and there of both shows. I only really became a big fan when I went back and watched the entire series of both shows nearly a decade ago.

Buffy season 7 was the weakest season, but still watchable, imo.

Buffyverse has some of the best heroes and villains ever.

*NinjaPug* · 03-26-2018, 11:37 AM

I'm sill pissed Angel got cancelled because they asked for an early indication on renewal/cancellation. If they waited until May it would've been renewed.

*Krutch* · 03-26-2018, 10:47 PM

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I used to love this show called Big Wolf on Campus

So i found the pilot on YouTube and watched it last night as I passed out. I can see the charm

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Dawn took some time for me, I got used to her being around by the end but didn't like her character for a large part.

She's awful aside from select episodes from Season 7. She usually just whined and complained about everything Buffy did until she was told to leave or shut up. Missed opportunity with that character I say.

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Buffy season 7 was the weakest season, but still watchable, imo.

Yeah, for most people it's a toss up between season 1 and 7. Season 1 has nostalgia but attrocious production values. Season 7 has alot going on and stronger story telling, but it's just kind of stale.

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I'm sill pissed Angel got cancelled because they asked for an early indication on renewal/cancellation. If they waited until May it would've been renewed.

It was a stupid d*ck measuring contest between creative and network. In the end only the fans lost

*drgon78* · 03-28-2018, 08:40 AM

I love Buffy, Angel was not as good but still fun well at least season 1 and most of season 5.

I liked Dawn but wish they developed her better though she had a lot of improvements in season 7...for the most part.

Still mad at them turning Willow gay since technically she should have been bi.

*plastroncafe* · 03-28-2018, 10:27 AM

There are certainly aspects of the Grr Argh verse that hasn't aged well, and the bi-erasure is certainly part of that.

*Krutch* · 03-28-2018, 04:51 PM

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Still mad at them turning Willow gay since technically she should have been bi.

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There are certainly aspects of the Grr Argh verse that hasn't aged well, and the bi-erasure is certainly part of that.

Hmm? Trying to follow what you guys mean. Because she used to date men she's 100 bi? Is that a rule? I thought that was just part of her growing up and figuring herself out.

*Spike Spiegel* · 03-29-2018, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

I used to love this show called Big Wolf on Campus, I re-watched it recently and still think it's great. I know many people described it as Buffy for kids and as much as people have always raved about Buffy I never got a chance to get into it.

Oh man, I remember watching that on FOX/ABC Family as an impressionable young lad around the year 2000 or so. The characters were very well done, IMO.

If Buffy's like a darker version of that in some ways, maybe I'll give it a chance.

*plastroncafe* · 03-29-2018, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Krutch

Hmm? Trying to follow what you guys mean. Because she used to date men she's 100 bi? Is that a rule? I thought that was just part of her growing up and figuring herself out.

It's more than possible that Willow-the-Character views herself as either straight or gay. The issue is that Willow-the-Character isn't real, and is really the mouthpiece for the screenwriter(s).

There was never really the option, or the lipservice given, for her to be bisexual. She was straight when she was in a different-sex relationship, and then gay/lesbian when she was in a same-sex relationship.

And that inbetween phase was here just ...figuring things out.
That erases the very real existence of people who aren't figuring it out, and are just bisexual.

The writers get close to bisexuality when they bring in Dark Willow, and then Willow Prime says, That's me as a vampire? I'm all all evil, and slutty, and I think I'm kinda gay.

Or something to that effect.

It's a dated nitpick of mine.
Just another instance where the show illustrates that it's aged.
Nothing more, nothing less.

03-25-2018, 04:53 AM	#43
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I remember talk of a movie, SMG had commented years back that she feels like they make a mini movie in every ep, so no need for a movie... or something like that (this was a while back and not sure if this was before the actual intention to do it) I didn't realise they wouldn't use Whedon. I liked Angel in Buffy but the show didn't need him after he left...at the same time he was a strong enough character to carry his own show. Edit: So far as the animated idea, I see your point, they could do it, but would they try to make it more kid-like? I know it wasn't like cert R/18 but still it was PG13 there? Rated our 'in between' cert 15 here. Last edited by newfan; 03-25-2018 at 05:44 AM.

03-25-2018, 11:46 PM	#49
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03-26-2018, 12:20 AM	#51
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03-26-2018, 07:43 AM	#52
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I can't think of a fav ep off the top of my head, just going over the seasons in my head, I don't remember the last one being one of my favourites. A for characters, yeah I liked Spike too (mentioned above) the likeable bad guy (or lovable a*hole I've sometimes referred) , sort of like Crowley in Supernatural although Spike did eventually become one of the good guys. Dawn took some time for me, I got used to her being around by the end but didn't like her character for a large part. Not watched the eps in a while though. Last edited by newfan; 03-26-2018 at 10:37 AM.*

03-26-2018, 10:32 AM	#53
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,597	Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel are two of my top 3 favourite dramas. Up there with the 1960s tv series The Fugitive. I liked Buffy and Angel when they were still airing around 2002/2003, even though I only saw some episodes here and there of both shows. I only really became a big fan when I went back and watched the entire series of both shows nearly a decade ago. Buffy season 7 was the weakest season, but still watchable, imo. Buffyverse has some of the best heroes and villains ever. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines) Last edited by Wesley; 03-26-2018 at 12:09 PM.

03-25-2018, 04:26 AM	#41
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I loved Buffy back when it was on but as for whether they will do anything more. I'd imagine they would likely do something more live action, like a movie (but new cast/re-boot) Just a comment going back to the series, It's a shame Buffy and Angel were eventually under different networks as they never got to cross again. I first really picked it up I think in early 3rd season...maybe end of season 2 so I enjoyed marathoning the first 2 seasons on DVD.

03-25-2018, 07:59 AM	#44
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	There was an article about a week ago where someone at Fox TV said they talk about bringing Buffy back all the time but won't do it until Whedon is ready. I bet that happens sooner rather than later. Whedon's name is pretty much garbage these days and probably doesn't have a lot of job opportunities.

03-25-2018, 08:46 PM	#47
Metalwolf Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,563	I think I will be the odd person out and say that I prefer the old original movie much more over the tv series. The episodes I really enjoyed though was the one episode about the were-hyena people and the time they tried to bring Buffy and Dawn's mother back from the grave using a dark ritual, the video game too, that was awesome. I remember liking Spike a lot, enough to name a pet after him (a little black male lamb born to one of my ewes with a big white spot on his head) and we thougt it fit him really well. The thing that did annoy me a lot was Willow's breaking up with her werewolf boyfriend and the breakup being so tramatic, it 'turns' her lesbian. To me it's just an old crappy trope that makes me stop taking a character seriously because it just makes them look petty and dramatic, like they just gave up totally on all men and now swing women just because of one cheating jerkwad of a boyfriend.

03-26-2018, 12:15 AM	#50
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Hush is brilliant. Angel I don't tend to rewatch as much but I remember the one you're talking about. If you're into the show, I'd really recommend subscribing to The Passion of the Nerd's channel. He's going through each episode breaking down themes and such. I usually use this video of his to introduce friends to the show....

03-26-2018, 11:37 AM	#54
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	I'm sill pissed Angel got cancelled because they asked for an early indication on renewal/cancellation. If they waited until May it would've been renewed.

03-28-2018, 08:40 AM	#56
drgon78 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,409	I love Buffy, Angel was not as good but still fun well at least season 1 and most of season 5. I liked Dawn but wish they developed her better though she had a lot of improvements in season 7...for the most part. Still mad at them turning Willow gay since technically she should have been bi.