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Oh, and remind me, what was Anthony Weiner convicted of and currently serving a term in Prison for? |
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10-26-2018, 04:57 PM
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Oh, and ignore the fact that just today the man responsible for sending ricin to the trump family as well as a bunch of republican members of congress was sentenced today. Both sides has its crazies. |
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10-26-2018, 05:25 PM
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What vexes me is - and I can only speak from my own experience - I never personally hear calls to violence from the more conservative people I know. Only the liberals; and from them it's constant. And not new, either.
When Clinton was President, I never heard anyone say "I hope someone kills this guy", or "I want him dead." I heard a few say "Lock him up" or whatever. Same with Obama; a lot of people I knew weren't happy, but nobody outright said "I hope someone shoots him". They'd just laugh whenever he would make bigger and bigger promises and then not follow through, but they never took it personally. More simple annoyance that anyone would believe him, since he's... y'know... a politician. I'm well aware that there WERE people going on about incitement of violence towards Obama; I've seen the same articles and videos, so no need to go searching. I KNOW some people acted like that; but they seem to be, like, openly hostile White Supremacist types, rather than, y'know, Normal People. My point is that I, personally, NEVER encountered anyone who said "I hate Obama, I hope someone kills him." However, I DO and HAVE heard that kind of thing from Liberals, often and loud, for many years. George W. Bush? "I hope someone kills him!" Trump? "I hope someone kills him!" Alllllll the time. It's disturbing. These aren't generally "hateful" people; what's disturbing is, these are "normal" people who nonetheless think that the correct reaction to someone saying things they politically disagree with is, "I hope someone kills them!" And they're not joking. When Trump won the election, my Facebook feed was a nightmare, with people I otherwise respect saying they either hoped someone killed him, or else hinting that they'd like to take a shot themselves. And most of them still go on like this, two years later! It's almost daily with them; "I hope someone shoots Trump; I hope someone stabs Ben Shapiro", and on and ON. Some of these people are teachers, some of them work with disabled people and children... and frankly, it worries me what kind of influence they're putting out into the world, because that's NOT acceptable. But they think it is, because "They're on the right side of history."  This is why when Liberals insist that they're the Good Guys, I just shake my head. "Good Guys" don't respond to "hurtful words" with, "I hope someone murders that person I don't like, he said mean things on muh TV."I mean, every day, my in-laws are glued to the TV, listening to the politicos rant about Trump this and that, and every day they go on and on about "WHY hasn't anyone shot this guy yet?!" Like, they're absolutely rooting for it. And I really feel like we all need to step back and take a breath when we catch ourselves acting like that, especially when it's EVERY DAY. I never see/hear it from Conservatives, but Liberals are openly violent and hateful when people they dislike are "in charge". That's why, to me, they're worse than Conservatives. "Secretly" sh*tty people are far more dangerous than someone who openly demonstrates their sh*ttiness to your face. Again, I'm well aware there are a lot of openly hateful Conservatives, but they also tend to be openly White Supremacist and the only people who pay them any mind are people who already feel the same way. They're not putting on a suit and tie, going to work teaching Autistic children and saying "So THIS is when it's okay to want to murder people we don't like." That's horrible, and horrifying. Maybe it's a NJ thing. I don't know. I can only call what I see. |
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10-26-2018, 05:28 PM
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I don't really have a hunt in that as I'm an ethnic/racial minority myself. I'm just saying that as an outsider looking in; I see far, FAR more liberals wanting these types of crimes to be perpetrated by white men. It's like they can't deal with the fact that other ethnicities and races commits crimes. I am in no way a Obummer supporter but even I remember there were people out there that wanted him dead. Again, both sides have wackos that want to justify breaking the law and doing horrible ****. This sad incident is just the latest. It's just troubling that people choose to ignore it when someone of 'their side' does it and then cry outrage when it suits them (when it's someone on the other side). Last edited by BartAllen; 10-27-2018 at 08:09 PM. |
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10-26-2018, 05:49 PM
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Really couldn't care less what race the guy is. At best he looks like an uninteresting mix of who cares. How he came about with a mindset to do what he did is more important. Or, as we'd call it for other home grown terrorists, where his radicalization came from. |
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10-26-2018, 06:07 PM
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A bit off-topic, but when I was a kid we still played the "indians" and cowboys game. The former were the bad guys by default. i guess future generations wont' do that anymore eventually. Tbh, looking back, it's kinda messed up how "Indians" tend to be portrayed as dangerous savages and cowboys as the good guys. |
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Trump probably thinks the maga bomber is a very fine person
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Not especially a fan of Hillary either, (and please, for the love of gods, use a capitals to begin proper nouns!) but, I'm not going to grab a pitchfork and join the mob of angry villagers ready to lynch the man, just because I feel he's running the country into the ground and blaming the rest of the world for his own inability to handle authority OR criticism. He's a child sitting on daddy's chair playing king, but unless that game starts a war (which it might, if things with the refugee caravan go as badly as I suspect they might) then he is just a jester borrowing the throne until someone comes in and boots him off. Am I annoyed? Sure. Angry at what he's doing? Absolutely. But want to hang him? Uh, no. Not until he does something REALLY stupid and heinous, like starting a war with China or something.
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I don't think anything's being "run into the ground"; I truly think people choose to see it that way because they don't like him personally, and wish he wasn't in his position. Because rhetoric aside, things are pretty good for most people right now. I'm not about to give HIM all the credit for it, but I didn't blame every passing cloud on Obama, either; these people don't honestly influence things THAT much. People just need a super-villain to blame all their problems on. I also am not one of those people who thinks our "international reputation" matters, so when people say things like, "He's making us look bad!", I have to gently remind everyone that the whole world hates us anyway, and always has, and always will... UNTIL they need us to come bail them out of something, in which case we're suddenly Kenobi-like in our Only Hope-ness. Quote:
Worst case, the price of a Starbucks coffee in America goes up to $8 and nobody notices.We really do need to be more firm with these roving bands of freeloaders from multiple points of origin, however. I mean, about 75% of these peoples' problems stem from the fact that back home, they either 1. Had kids too young, 2. Had kids out of wedlock, or 3. Had kids despite in no way earning an income sufficient enough to raise a family. All of that sh*t is entirely avoidable, and yet because a bunch of them did it all at once, they think it's acceptable to just march on over to someone else's "house" and demand refuge. Look dude, if your country sucks, that's unfortunate, but don't come knocking on my door asking for a sandwich, we got a few hundred thousand of our own - including many who've fought in wars - who aren't being properly taken care of. At best, take a number and a seat outside. Anyway, nah, nothing significant to fear from them. Most likely, a big bunch of people are gonna be really cranky on the long walk home. Which is typically what happens when you storm into someplace exclusive without an appointment and expect service. Trump may be an asshole in general, but he's not an asshole for telling those people we really don't owe them anything. That's the correct response. It may not be "compassionate", but again, Compassion and Logic make terrible neighbors. I learned that when I was homeless, and the social worker at Housing Assistance claimed that "You're white, you're supposed to be doing better," while the social worker at the next table was openly "educating" an illegal immigrant on how to squeeze ten people into a two-bedroom unit without arousing her landlord's suspicion. So, y'know. F*ck 'em. |
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Ok, just as an example, I'll use my own situation. You doubtless already know about the issues with Mr D and his health problems. Here's the rhing- the ONLY reason he is able to go to his treatments is because the ACA (Obamacare) allows his Medicare and disability to cover the 600$ treatments. That's 600$ EACH. Three times a week. My entire paycheck would MAYBE cover ONE. With nothing left over. Neither would his SSI. But because of the ACA we pay nothing for medical treatments that keep him alive, where without it, he would have been dead long ago, simply because the health industry (who by the way would charge even MORE if the Don has his way) makes it impossible for "normal" people on low-to-average wages to afford neccessary medical treatments. Even worse, what little disability pay and SSI he has now is in danger of being cut even lower (it is currently barely enough to supplement my income and make ends meet) to the point that if cut, would very likely make us homeless. Rent goes up, but our income has not, and has in fact gone down in his case. So, yeah. The higher-income families may not be seeing much difference, but down in the bottom tier, his policies are hurting people like us. No one is doing "better" except the already wealthy, and businesses might be hiring more, but they are not PAYING more to keep up with rising costs of living! More workers at sub-living wages isn't going to help the country. It makes things worse. That's just ONE example that is very close to home here. And the clinic he goes to is FULL of others in the same situation. Most of them 50+ aka seniors. All of them are getting screwed over by his so called "improvements" to the system.
And those tax breaks he promised? Never saw 'em. All those tax breaks went mostly to the top brass of big companies, almost NONE of that ever made its way to the lower levels in wages or bonuses or the like. Certainly not in our company. He's a proven scammer, and everyone fell for the false promise, but no one really got ahead from that, except the ones who were already doing so. Even the stock market is starting to peak and downslide, which was inevitable after such a long rise. Add to that the divisive and toxic atmosphere both socially and politically since he took office, and it's pretty clear where we're headed. Maybe not an outright Civil War, but something bordering on civil unrest, at the very least. And that bothers me, because it is so very obvious to anyone who is paying attention. But nope, EVERYTHING'S peachy! Or so he'd have us believe. As for the immigrants- heard on the news tonight that he wants to send 800 military personel to "assist" the border security. Against hundreds or thousands of poor, frightened people seeking asylum from violence and corruption back home. I can only see this going horribly wrong, most likely from some trigger-happy idiot deciding to start shooting at desperate throngs of hungry women and children fleeing exactly that kind of treatment. So any incident that is caused, will not only be squarely on him, but would strain tenstions with our southern neighbors even further than they are now with insanely high tariffs on foreign goods and the recent outrages over "caged children" being forcefully separated from their families at the border. He's courting disaster on multiple fronts there, and frankly, it scares me more than a little. Especially since ours is one of the first states that would be affected if there was a conflict.
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- Other thread business can stay in other threads. Especially when it has aaaaabsolutely F*ck-all-nothin' to do with what's currently being discussed. - I'm well aware that things have shifted economically in the last few decades. People still have opportunities to create their own "better life", rather than demanding it be handed to them. They simply don't listen when people try and give them good advice. When I was in high school, a team of counselors spoke to our entire class and said, essentially, "By the time you get out of college, all the money jobs are going to be in pharmaceuticals. All the computer jobs you're excited about are going to be outsourced to India within a few years, but the drug industry is set to boom and it's the only product America still produces for itself. So if you want to be successful, you need to apply yourself in advanced math and chemistry, so you can get a job in the pharmaceutical industry. If for some reason your skills don't lie in that direction, your next safest bet is to learn a trade like welding. Otherwise, if you pursue virtually any other area of interest, you're probably going to struggle and end up in a lot of debt." Lo and behold, most kids said, "I don't wanna do that. I wanna do computers." Most of those kids wasted their time and money. The pharmacy techs, the lab workers, the steelworkers and auto mechanics... they're all doing just fine. "But I don't wanna do that!" I know, me neither. So I had a sh*t job for a long time until I went to school for a better one. Which still ain't great, but it's better. Had I known then what I know know, I definitely would have found a way to learn chemistry, even if I didn't want to. Point being, I'm aware that people can't go from the mail room to the penthouse anymore, or get a lifetime job picking up where their father left off. However, many times people ARE given the next best thing to a map to earning a comfortable living, and they screw it up because "I don't wanna do that." So my sympathy only goes so far. A lot of people create their own problems, often by not taking perfectly good advice because it's not what they want to hear. - I'm HIGHLY suspicious of those projections on health care, because I don't think anyone's truly considered the variables and complications that are unique to this country and don't apply elsewhere. Most actual doctors whose opinions I've read on the subject swear that it would lead to a mass exodus of medical professionals - since it's now gone from a 6-figure job to a "wait for the government to pay you" job - and severe lack of resources spread between an infinite number of new patients. I don't see how it could be anything but a giant clusterf*ck. The system we have isn't perfect, by any means, but I think such a dramatic overhaul could only complicate things further. - I'm always "survival of the fittest" with these things. I'm going to wager that me and my family have "struggled" a fair bit more than most. We've also done well, at times, so I've seen how things work on the Up and Down. Absolutely, Yes, if I - a person born and raised in this country, who was working 6 days a week for many years and was suddenly thrust into a situation I needed help to get out of - can be told, to my face, by those same people who were supposed to help me, "You're not supposed to have these problems," and ALSO say I don't deserve help because I'm white, and then someone who really has NO reason to be here, is technically a criminal, and in NO way deserving of any government assistance or resources, can be trained by those SAME PEOPLE on how to cheat the system, you're goddamn right I'm going to be pissed because that's NOT how this sh*t is supposed to work. People who are from here, working steadily, pay taxes, etc., deserve infinitely more help when they get "stuck" than someone who literally hopped a fence for a free lunch. The system was designed to help people like me, NOT people like them. So to see myself, and others like me, get pushed aside so a bunch of other people can claim those resources as their own - because "C'mooonnn maaaan, be nice!" - is downright infuriating. It's abuse of resources at best, outright theft at worst. Exactly WHO told any of these people to have kids they couldn't afford to raise? And why is that MY problem? Listen, if somebody says, "So, my plan for a 'Better Life' is to have kids too young, while earning a migrant worker's wage, then run screaming over to the closest, richest country I can find begging for handouts," that person makes horrible life choices and they really don't deserve anything. "My family!" Money first, family second. You don't start the f*cking family until you can pay for it, numbnuts. I mean, sh*t, it's just as big a problem here, but that goes back to the larger point. We already have TOO MANY freeloaders and welfare cases living here, so it really wouldn't do us any good to just go ahead and squeeze in a few thousand more. Aaaaaaaaand a lot of it could all be avoided if people weren't generally stupid. People sure ask me to care an awful lot about other people's self-inflicted problems. They did nothing to create their "better life", but they insist someone hand it over to them. Nah. Make better choices, own your mistakes, take the rest from there. Nobody owes anybody a living. Sh*t's laughable. Part of the impotent rage coming from the under-30 crowd is that they completely expect life to work in ways that it doesn't, can't, and never will. ------------------- Duckie: - I'm aware. My father also spent the last decade-plus of his life battling multiple illnesses, pre-ObamaCare, being billed for expensive treatments and surgeries despite only getting a paltry $1200 every month. Not fun. MediCare covered some, the rest he just stiffed 'em. I don't think he paid a dime for any of his heart surgeries, at about ten grand a pop. He (correctly) assumed they wouldn't simply let him die. I don't exactly recommend handling things that way, but that's how a lot of extremely sick people survive: Nobody actually pays their medical bills except rich people. Everybody else just wings it. I mean, I'm not trivializing; it's horrible for you. But again, there's been countless times when I, or a family member, was struggling, and the question was put to us, "What were the life choices that brought you here? If you did ____, would you maybe be doing better, and in turn be able to handle these problems better?" It does little good in the present day, but at some point, we're ultimately responsible for our life situation, nobody else. It's cold, perhaps, but as I've repeatedly stated, I was not taught or raised to want or expect sympathy as a solution; I was taught to own my choices and try harder next time. I'm glad you're getting by for the time being and I hope the situation somehow improves. - The easiest solution to "Things are better for the wealthy than the poor" is to become wealthy, no? Again, we're all guilty of not doing enough to improve our station in life. My boss is sure to remind me every day that I could be as rich as he is, if only I _______. And he's right; there's reasons why I don't/can't copy his model to the letter at this moment in time, but if I did I would surely be quite successful. I don't prioritize the right things sometimes, and that's on me. It's not like the world is suddenly going to start treating poor people fairly. No chance. So, the choices are "Become Wealthy", which we've seen is easier to achieve in this country than anywhere else in the world no matter who you are, or else "Keep Being Mad About It." Which doesn't do much. At some point, that anger can be put to productive use, which will ultimately put the person in a better situation. But that's entirely on them. - "Politicians Lie, Film At 11." Simple solution: Don't listen to what any of these people say, you won't get heartburn when it turns out to be bullsh*t. C'mon. People act like Trump invented lying, or something. Was I the only one who was raised NOT to trust these people at all? Seriously. - If those people come from a country that's SO awful, then they should revolt, clean house, and start over themselves. That, I could respect. I don't respect anyone going door-to-door begging for handouts. And don't even get me started on the "caged children" thing; technically those children shouldn't exist, as their parents were supremely irresponsible and selfish for having them, and then in turn putting this entire situation into motion. Shame on them. Shame on ANYONE who has kids without a solid foundation and plan, then expects anyone else to clean up the mess they made. - If their resources are as sh*tty as the refugees claim, then they're incapable of fighting a war with anyone. Plus, we consume a f*ck ton of coffee, and I'm sure they like the piles of money that brings them. That would be another "weekend skirmish", if anything came to pass. But don't worry; it won't. They're just gonna pout. You may accuse me of being cold, and you're right. Lacking empathy, also true. But the thing is, I figured out a long time ago that You and only You are responsible for your life situation, and it's on You and only You to fix it. So much of liberal philosophy relies on rewarding people for making terrible decisions, and I simply can't abide that. For every one person's sob story, someone has an even sobbier one, and then you have to put THAT person's individual needs ahead of everyone else's because you feel bad, and... no. It CAN'T work that way. Empathy makes TERRIBLE government policy, and almost any economist will say so. I feel like a lot of you, at some point, were told that life would be fair and kind to you. For that, I'm very sorry. |
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