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[IndigoErth]

Honestly, I'm kind of dumbfounded that as much as this country -- lets be honest -- likes to butt in and get involved in things elsewhere in the world, thinking we're trying to make the world a better place or get into battles that shouldn't involve us...why aren't we helping fellow Americans (albeit Central and/or Southern) to the south of us if they need a hand?

If a place is in bad enough shape that people are willing to try to walk that far to try to get away from it and get here, then instead of freaking out and fear mongering, why isn't this country choosing instead to work with them to try to help make that place better? Would it not be to our own benefit in the end, where illegal immigration is concerned, if we lent a hand in helping them to make their home countries better to the point that most don't want to leave?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Honestly, I'm kind of dumbfounded that as much as this country -- lets be honest -- likes to butt in and get involved in things elsewhere in the world, thinking we're trying to make the world a better place or get into battles that shouldn't involve us...why aren't we helping fellow Americans (albeit Central and/or Southern) to the south of us if they need a hand?

Because that's not a sustainable business model and sets a horrible precedent.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

So now you resort to ignorance and racism. Cool story, bro.

Everything else you wrote can now be easily ignored.

The two main reasons to ignore your silliness:
1. You don't even understand what it means to be Mexican.
2. You're not Mexican.

Next you're going to tell me Canelo Alvarez isn't Mexican. LMAO.

I'm Mexican. I have Mexican citizenship (Dual citizenship). That's the only requirement to being Mexican. You can be black, white or brown (native blood). Or... a mixture of all three (Like me).

The FIRST mexican was the child of a Mayan woman and a Spanish conquistador. The word Mexico is derivative of Mestizo which means MIXED. Spanish itself is a european language. I could go on and on, but I won't because I don't want you to show anymore ignorance.

Now look. I get it. You want to win an argument over the internet because someone said some factual things you don't like. I understand that this matters to you. HOWEVER, I'm not wrong with anything I've said. I just got off the phone with a cousin that still lives in the Jalisco area. The things I talked about in my posts still happen. Is it as bad as it was in the 80's? No. Is it worse in other ways? Yes. The Cartels own the border towns. Homelessness is rampant in the country. There are jobs but the poor still generally suffer the most. The country has made some strides but it still have a LONG WAY TO GO.

Anyway. I'm done. I haven't said anything about the country that isn't true. You can continue with your feelings, but the facts don't care about your feelings. Have a good day.

Oh, and no one better send me a PM telling me I look like a mixture of Enrique Pena Nieto and Torbe.

Chicano itself isn't a bad term but the context in which you used it is bigoted. I have no time for that nonsense.

I don´t understand and can be easily ignored when obviously you have more credibility on what Mexican is even though you don't even know the origin of the coutries' name but you obviously have more credibility and make assumptions of mine including calling me a f-ggot. It's racists that Mexicans don't like the way chicanos talk about their country?

I'm not making any political points in this thread to care to win those arguments, I just corrected you on some points which you stopped replying to so I guess you are the one moving the goal post. I'm clearly not the emotional one over this, I just wanted to clear some misconceptions about Mexico and hopefully I did and people can look at INEGI itself for references.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I personally do not believe in the arguement that "if you're not X group, you'll never understanding their suffering." Whether it be for Mexicans or any other group. It seems to be more of a silencing tactic by trying to guilt trip people rather than anything grounded in reason.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Because that's not a sustainable business model and sets a horrible precedent.

But throwing a ton of money elsewhere, including into long wars in the Middle East, is?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

But throwing a ton of money elsewhere, including into long wars in the Middle East, is?

If a nation won't provide for its own citizens, helping even a neighbouring country is out of the question, let alone all of humanity.

[IndigoErth]

That would be included in helping their citizens fix what needs fixing. If their government needs to be overthrown, well, it wouldn't be a first time we had a hand in it. What, suddenly this country doesn't want to meddle? Do people here just quietly prefer having a "foe" to focus on by having illegals trying to get in? Whining and threats isn't going to stop the flow.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

But throwing a ton of money elsewhere, including into long wars in the Middle East, is?

Ah, but see, corporations and government contractors profit from that.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by sdp

I don´t understand and can be easily ignored when obviously you have more credibility on what Mexican is even though you don't even know the origin of the coutries' name but you obviously have more credibility and make assumptions of mine including calling me a f-ggot. It's racists that Mexicans don't like the way chicanos talk about their country?

I'm not making any political points in this thread to care to win those arguments, I just corrected you on some points which you stopped replying to so I guess you are the one moving the goal post. I'm clearly not the emotional one over this, I just wanted to clear some misconceptions about Mexico and hopefully I did and people can look at INEGI itself for references.

I didn't stop replying to them. I squashed your argument. You said that there weren't homeless in Mexico that it was a problem that is comparable to the rest of the world. I said that due to the large amounts of crime and legal prostitution that there is a higher incidence of homelessness and death in the country. You then went on some tirade about my 'racial purity' claiming that I don't know what I'm talking about and calling me a liar based on some BS to justify your stance. Which is still wrong, BTW.

Again. Nothing I have said is wrong.

I do love that you couldn't help to jump at the chance to prove me wrong because about the name origin - a little trap I laid for you to prove that you're just mad about the factual statements I made in earlier posts.

Again, You have no idea what you're talking about. And the irony of all this is you're also using racist nonsense and making claims about my racial purity as a way to dismiss my factual statements. Of course I knew the factual name origin of my country. lmao. Too easy.

The reason I won't let this go is because I'm not talking about an article I read, or some website. I'm talking about my lived expierence. Things I've seen with my own eyes. And that upset your feefees so you're doing everything you can as to try to prove me wrong. I'm not wrong. I'm talking about my lived experience.

Everything I wrote I can back up. I already have. You just move the goalposts and say that the evidence presented isn't good enough because they don't align with your misconceptions.

Again. I'm Mexican. I have Mexican citizenship. The fact that you keep calling me a chicano is racist. And where did I call you a ******? LMAO. Now you're just making **** up. lmao.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I personally do not believe in the argument that "if you're not X group, you'll never understanding their suffering." Whether it be for Mexicans or any other group. It seems to be more of a silencing tactic by trying to guilt trip people rather than anything grounded in reason.

Right. I'm only doing that because he is saying I'm not qualified to talk about the subject because I'm not a real mexican. I'm actually just using his BS tactics against him.

I'm not talking about supposition or guesswork. I'm talking about my lived experience things I've seen with my own eyes. I've seen far more homeless in Mexico than the US. I've seen dead bodies in Mexico because of cartel activity and other crimes. Then this dude comes into the thread and calls me a liar because I am talking about my lived experiences. He is the one using silencing tactics.

Now, if you want to talk about how homelessness is sort of different because of the difference in culture then I'm willing to listen. But to say that what I wrote earlier is wrong... No, that's your own bias.

The guy keeps using official government stats to prove something. Look, the government in Mexico is FAR more corrupt than the States. Do you really think they're going to talk about their problems if they're trying to attract foreign investors? Come on.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/26...-original-sin/

The country will not paint itself in a bad light because it wants to attract foreign investment.
https://en.portal.santandertrade.com...ign-investment

Another article talking about the homeless problem in mexico and how the police will arrest and detain them
http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/11/mexic...ial-cleansing/

Was I a tad hyperbolic in my original post when I wrote that it was everyday? Yes. Did it still happen? Yes. I've never seen a dead body here in the states (Well one close to the border). I saw either dead, or close to it everyday in Mexico. How is that all a lie? I SAW IT! FFS.

When you see a man or woman on the corner that looks like a skeleton because they haven't had food in a while that's a problem. That's not happening in the US.

It even talks about how the cartels are negatively impacting the country. It's almost like Drugs and extreme violence are a big part of the problem for Mexico.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Ah, but see, corporations and government contractors profit from that.

Exactly. I suppose the likes of China are generally always the cheaper export for jobs?

Not that I'd want too much employment here being sent elsewhere, but if they want these jobs and they'd stay there to do them, in return for lower production costs for the U.S... I could deal with that.

[sdp]

Mods can still read previous edited posts so they can see 'owning putos' on it, you're also now putting words in my mouth now like I said there are no homeless and spinning the things to your liking. I just came to correct some misinformation of the country. Hopefully others can do their own research if they're really interested in the topic.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by sdp

Mods can still read previous edited posts so they can see 'owning putos' on it, you're also now putting words in my mouth now like I said there are no homeless and spinning the things to your liking. I just came to correct some misinformation of the country. Hopefully others can do their own research if they're really interested in the topic.

Puto's literal translation means F**k
It's Mexican meaning, what we call each other (you'd know this if you were actually Mexican) all the time is a jovial way of referring to someone that is ignorant. Or wimpy. I'm calling you ignorant. If I wanted to call you a homosexual I'd call you a marica or maricon. But being that I'm not a homophobe and I don't refer to Homosexuals with those hateful words you can safely assume that I was calling you ignorant. Again, you'd know this if you actually ever spent time in Mexico.

Ah... In South American countries it can mean homosexual. I did not know that as I AM NOT A SOUTH AMERICAN.

For example. Saying I like Slag in the US probably means you like a dinobot. In England, on the other hand, it means something else entirely. But I don't worry about the **** that happens in the UK because I'm not from that place. It's not my business.

And I suspect that you know that. Spanish is different depending on the country of origin. There are plenty of words that mean different things. Regla can mean ruler but it can also refer to a woman's time of month. I only know that because I dated a Puerto Rican girl who once told me she was having her regla and I had no idea how she was having her ruler.

I also suggest others do their own research. Look at the articles I provided. I'd even say to look at spd's as well, but just realize that a country that is largely dependent on FDI and has massive corruption (read about it) that they're not going to paint themselves in a bad light.

Again. I'm Mexican. I love Mexico. I just got back from Guadalajara a few months back. I can't spend as much time there as I'd like because of other commitments. It's a wonderful country with a great people and culture. It just has its downsides as well, unfortunately.

Some of what SPD wrote is somewhat true. The education system has started to model itself of of our model (the US) and has improved because of it.
The nature of the homelessness is slightly different because of cultural differences. But the cartels, rampant drug abuse and legal prostitution has caused the country tremendous problems. Seeing a dead body on the street, while not an everyday occurance, still happens often. Which breaks my heart honestly as those are my people that are dying.

Mexico is a country of laws and it does have a strict outline for becoming a citizen. It also deports people living in the country illegally. (How that's somehow a lie I'll never know). However, being a legal resident is different from being a citizen. Becoming a citizen is hard. Being a legal resident is somewhat easier, still not as easy as showing up and having a baby in the country, though.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...102-story.html

Here's an article talking about the record high death rates in Tijuana -- a border town. Again, still failing to see how anything I wrote is factually incorrect.

The last time I was in TJ... I want to say 3 years ago (I lived closer to the border at that time) I wasn't allowed to walk down a street because there were 4 headless dudes that had just been killed because of turf wars between the factions. But again, I don't know what I'm talking about.

I could also go into details about how I had a family member murdered in Mexico by her Husband and because he was from a wealthy family he only served 10 months in prison, but I won't because I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm a chicano or some other ignorant racist garbage.

[Candy Kappa]

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/puto

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/puto

I learned all my Spanish swearing from John Wayne movies.

Hijo de la puta!

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I learned all my Spanish swearing from John Wayne movies.

Hijo de la puta!

Probably more entertaining then school, I managed to sneak off from the mandatory third language class.

Kinda regret it now, maybe I should watch some John Wayne

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/puto

Oh lawdy. Another person that doesn't speak the language or know local dialects trying to come in with a definition.

Again. Different dialects for different countries. A male prostitute does not mean a GAY male prostitute anyway. How do you know that male prostitute isn't out charming nice looking women like deuce bigalow.

Puto, in MEXICO does not mean a homosexual. It means a wimpy or ignorant person. I guess at most it means a male prostitute (that is the first time I've heard of that). That doesn't imply gay person either. Mighty fine leap. Haven't I already squashed you anyway. Don't try to pile on.

Now let's look at the definition of Maricon on spanishdict.com...
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/maricon

Again, that's the word that is used as a negative reference to homosexuals. Puto means punk (I guess that's loosely a male prostitute) wimpy and/or ignorant. I've always known it to mean ignorant or stupid -- In Mexico anyway. Nice try, though.

And again, Puto's literal translation: Means F**king. I have never heard that word as a reference to homosexuals. Nice deflecting tactics though.

Apparently it means that in South American countries. I'm not South American. Slag isn't a bad word in American English either.

I'm still waiting on a response to our earlier conversation, though, Candy. I notice you don't have anything to backup your claims. I also now assume that you sent this poor fellow SPD into the conversation. To bad he isn't a Mexican and doesn't know what he's talking about. What you did is like having an Australian talk about Canada's political situation when the Australian only has a very surface level understanding of Canada.

I do love the Alinsky tactics though. You can't refute anything I'm saying so you focus on a trivial part of what I said as a way to silence me. Nice. You even go so far as to misunderstand the word I used (ignorant in mexico) and try to make it into something it isn't. You're an outsider looking in. You don't understand the culture or its people. So of course you come to the WRONG conclusion.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I learned all my Spanish swearing from John Wayne movies.

Hijo de la puta!

Now the way Puta is used there literally translates to Son of a bitch.
Again, that term is not used in Mexico. I remember the first time heard it I though cause it sounded weird... Son of the dumbass? What?
Then it was explained to me that it means Son of a bitch. I guess it can mean son of a W***e now.

I will apologize since I was ignorant to the fact that Puto, in certain countries (not Mexico), can be used as slang for a gay person. That's the ONLY part I apologize for, though. The rest I stand on. Had I known that I would have used the word pendejo.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I learned all my Spanish swearing from John Wayne movies.

Hijo de la puta!

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Probably more entertaining then school, I managed to sneak off from the mandatory third language class.

Kinda regret it now, maybe I should watch some John Wayne

Let me further educate you.
https://www.lingoda.com/en/blog/span...tiple-meanings

Those are nice words. I'm currently looking for one with the bad words.

Don't want you crybullies having a heart attack on tumblr.

Oh, and the only person here who has used a bigoted word is SDP. Chicano in Mexico is used by segments of the populace to dismiss people they view as outsiders/inferiors (the racism kind of goes the opposite direction with the lighter skinned folks usually being on the bad end). Don't see you jumping on that one Candy. It's almost like you're selective in your outrage. Like you're only concerned with virtue signaling. Chicano is a nicer way of calling someone a Pocho. I suspect you know that too, SDP.

So when you say I don't know something or that Mexicans don't like chicanos. You're the only one who has been bigoted here.

Originally Posted by sdp

There's a reason Mexicans don't like chicanos, they don't understand the country or what it's really like to be Mexican.

The context in which you used this word is bigoted. The others might not understand it, but I do. Don't try to deny it either.

So when I used Puto (in the mexican meaning of the word) I was only using it in reference to your ignorant and bigoted statement from earlier. I was in no way referring to you as a homosexual. Which I know you know. You're just jumping on anything to get at me because I've proven you wrong now a number of times. That's why I wrote "Owning a puto" As in I'm owning an idiot. Not I'm owning a homosexual. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Don't try to deny that you used Chicano in a pejorative sense. You can try to walk it back if you want, but If I'm guilty for puto you're guilty for your word too.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

And at the rate things are going, actual working bombs or shootings from conservatives/republicans if dems do.

lol, there's so many documented unhinged attacks and threats from the left, it's the best advertisement the GOP has against the radicalized left:



But of course, the MSM won't report about it since it doesn't fit their narrative.

[BartAllen]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

lol, there's so many documented unhinged attacks and threats from the left, it's the best advertisement the GOP has against the radicalized left:



But of course, the MSM won't report about it since it doesn't fit their narrative.

It's worse! Remember when that group of people scalped that white guy and were yelling "Get the cracker and **** Trump". They've been throwing a 2 year tantrum.

What about all those false Hijab pulls? One of whom was arrested for filing a false police report.

The worst part is I'm not even a fan of Trump. I wanted Cruz to win, but the way the left has gone crazy these past two years has shown me that I need to vote in the midterms (conservative down the ticket) and I need to vote for Trump in 2020 and Pence after that.

Candy Kappa and PapaGreg as well as SDP are the reasons a Mexican votes conservative. Remember that. You're the reason Trump won.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by BartAllen

The worst part is I'm not even a fan of Trump. I wanted Cruz to win, but the way the left has gone crazy these past two years has shown me that I need to vote in the midterms (conservative down the ticket) and I need to vote for Trump in 2020 and Pence after that.

That's where I'm at. This is the first mid-term I've ever voted in and I did so immediately and accordingly.

[BartAllen]

Progressives don't care about the truth or what is actually happening they care about their misguided political correctness and virtue signaling. They're never actually outraged either.

Oh, and since we now need proof for our posts. Here is mine about one of the MANY false hijab pulls.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/n...ate-crime.html

Oh, and just to add: Puto has a variety of meanings based on the country (this is why it's dangerous for people that aren't Mexican or don't understand how contextual Spanish is shouldn't comment about the language). Puto in Mexico does NOT mean gay person. Here are other ACTUAL Mexicans discussing this. I've attached screengrabs showing that it does not mean a gay person.

So yeah... snowflakes misunderstanding the word. In the context I was using it I was referring to an ignorant person who used an ACTUAL RACIAL SLUR against me.