Government Shutdown

*Voltron* · 01-09-2019, 06:46 AM

I'm going to say something, and I hope it doesn't come across too crass.

You know the Trump administration expanded the practice of stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship, right? It's called denaturalization.

I mean, what then? What if someone decided your mother was a "bad hombre"? It's not outside the realm of possibility. Would you put your faith in people who feel that neo-nazis are "fine people"?

According to some of them, she's not an American citizen. I mean, not really. Not to them.

And to be clear: I am not insinuating that Ithink this. But there are people out their clamoring for a big, expensive, mostly useless wall. And those same people have SS tattoos on them. And they have ethnocentric ideals that very much put immigrants and foreigners in the cross hairs.

That's who you're throwing your lot in with. Not saying you're a Nazi, or a racist, or some "deplorable". But those kinds of people would be really happy to hear you talking about it.

But bear in mind: these people aren't doing it for some noble reason. They're doing it because their ****ing nuts. They are racists and bigots and generally rotten people who only want to hurt other people.

Anything we give them on this issue is a step in the wrong direction. Every inch they take just makes them bolder. And while there is a discussion to be had about immigration and border control, this isn't it. It shouldn't be framed like this. An ineffective wall sold to the American people through lies by a noted conman is not an option here. It never will be.

What if Trump does get it? Then what? He's going to want something else. Those terrible people will still want something more.

Read the last bit of this article. This, to me, encapsulates the pathos of what we're dealing with really well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/u...-marianna.html

At what point does this become too much for you to ignore? At what point does this stop being zero-sum politics and start being a discussion about smarter, less destructive ways to live together?

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01-09-2019, 06:46 AM	#22
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	I'm going to say something, and I hope it doesn't come across too crass. You know the Trump administration expanded the practice of stripping naturalized citizens of their citizenship, right? It's called denaturalization. I mean, what then? What if someone decided your mother was a "bad hombre"? It's not outside the realm of possibility. Would you put your faith in people who feel that neo-nazis are "fine people"? According to some of them, she's not an American citizen. I mean, not really. Not to them. And to be clear: I am not insinuating that Ithink this. But there are people out their clamoring for a big, expensive, mostly useless wall. And those same people have SS tattoos on them. And they have ethnocentric ideals that very much put immigrants and foreigners in the cross hairs. That's who you're throwing your lot in with. Not saying you're a Nazi, or a racist, or some "deplorable". But those kinds of people would be really happy to hear you talking about it. But bear in mind: these people aren't doing it for some noble reason. They're doing it because their ****ing nuts. They are racists and bigots and generally rotten people who only want to hurt other people. Anything we give them on this issue is a step in the wrong direction. Every inch they take just makes them bolder. And while there is a discussion to be had about immigration and border control, this isn't it. It shouldn't be framed like this. An ineffective wall sold to the American people through lies by a noted conman is not an option here. It never will be. What if Trump does get it? Then what? He's going to want something else. Those terrible people will still want something more. Read the last bit of this article. This, to me, encapsulates the pathos of what we're dealing with really well. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/u...-marianna.html At what point does this become too much for you to ignore? At what point does this stop being zero-sum politics and start being a discussion about smarter, less destructive ways to live together? __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .