Suicide Squad 2: Gavin O'Connor in talks to write & direct film

~~Leo656~~ · 02-02-2019, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I love The Riddler, my favorite Bat Rogue!

Any particular reason? I've honestly never heard that one before. Just curious.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-02-2019, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Any particular reason? I've honestly never heard that one before. Just curious.

Really? I don't go around asking everyone who their favorite DC Comics or Batman Villain is, but The Riddler is mine in both categories and I know I am not alone. There is a old-time poster here HeavyMetalCareBear that is also big on The Riddler. Anyway, I like the color scheme, his sanity with compulsion which makes him strive to be intellectually superior giving Batman a different kind of threat. He is fun as well as gives the possibility for mysteries. Both aspects I like in Batman stories that can be overlooked.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-02-2019, 11:17 AM

Nah, just curious brother.

I've met a lot of people who like the Riddler but honestly haven't had anyone tell me he's their specific favorite. Just wondering what made him stand out for you, and I do believe I have an answer.

I'm a bit silly in that I prefer the old spandex gimmick versus the suit and derby hat, myself. Can't quite explain why, just is what it is.

I thought the Hush twist was quite interesting, but it felt like they could've taken it a bit farther than they did before he lost his memory eventually.

They actually did that with Lex not long after, having him figure out Clark was Superman and then they had him forget about it without actually doing anything of substance with it. I feel like sometimes these guys fall in love with these "Shocking Final-Page Reveals!" and don't actually have a follow-up plan, and then if nobody comes up with one in a couple of months they just sweep it under the rug. Frustrating.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-02-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Nah, just curious brother.

I've met a lot of people who like the Riddler but honestly haven't had anyone tell me he's their specific favorite. Just wondering what made him stand out for you, and I do believe I have an answer.

I'm a bit silly in that I prefer the old spandex gimmick versus the suit and derby hat, myself. Can't quite explain why, just is what it is.

I thought the Hush twist was quite interesting, but it felt like they could've taken it a bit farther than they did before he lost his memory eventually.

They actually did that with Lex not long after, having him figure out Clark was Superman and then they had him forget about it without actually doing anything of substance with it. I feel like sometimes these guys fall in love with these "Shocking Final-Page Reveals!" and don't actually have a follow-up plan, and then if nobody comes up with one in a couple of months they just sweep it under the rug. Frustrating.

As insane as Gotham is there are two villains that you can truly sympathize with. Catwoman and Riddler. No, not Robin Lord Taylor's Penguin. He is great, but no sympathy. Eddie is King Snake/Bane's mind controlled agent. Lost love twice now, and only wants to be recognized for his intellect. As much as I rant while watching it I still root for The Riddler. As much as the final battle costume annoys me and how Carey's actual hair matches Eddie's I did like Batman Forever. Its just the look was wrong. Yes, Frank Gorshin did both the spandex and the suit and boler hat, but the spandex is silly yet cool. A sane and driven intellectual that you can sympathize with and gives a unique challenge. Why is he so hard to write? I recall Bruce Timm mentioning, a majority of the rejected scripts for Batman: The Animated Series were because they had trouble getting The Riddler right. He is hard to do. Mastermind, detective, used sparingly and effectively without a drastic makeover.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-02-2019, 11:51 AM

Well, full disclosure, I'm never concerned with whether or not I sympathize with a villain. I don't particularly want to. They're bad guys.

It's nice if I can understand their motivations but it's by no means necessary. It's nice sometimes, though.

Like with Lex, for example. It's become fashionable in recent years to humanize him, despite everything from the 80s through the early-2000s establishing that he's literally worse than Satan (or Neron, as the case may be). "If I ever HAD a soul, I lost it a long time ago", and all that. The more writers try and make him "someone the reader can relate to", the more they're getting it incorrect, as far as I'm concerned.

Now obviously Riddler isn't anywhere in that area, I was just making a general point about villains in general.

AND "truthishly", one of my favorite comics of all time includes a very, VERY good Riddler story that is indeed very sympathetic. Some even say it's the BEST Riddler story. I'unno about that necessarily, but it's written by Neal Gaiman, of all people, so of course it's quite good. And despite what I literally just said above, part of why the book excels is indeed because of how it puts each of the villains in a sympathetic light, moreso than they'd ever been portrayed as up to that point.

I'm sure you've seen THIS one before, haven't you?

That entire book is FANTASTIC, by the way, and worth tracking down at any price, as it contains what I will forever consider the "definitive" origins of Penguin, Riddler, and Two-Face. It's become somewhat highly-prized and somewhat expensive, due to it containing the VERY first appearance of the Joker after he murdered Jason Todd, so it was quite the hot book when it was fresh.

Must-read for any Batman fan. I personally can't ever put any of the characters' other origin tales above the ones presented in this book. These are the Real Deal, the rest is fanfic. When you read and compare, it's easy to see why.

The Riddler one is the midpoint comic relief, while the Penguin and Two-Face tales are rather dark, but the whole book is balanced very well. Highest Possible Recommendation and a bargain at any price for Bat-Fans.

*MikeandRaph87* · 02-02-2019, 12:04 PM

Sure, I dont need smpathy for The Riddler nor do I want it. Mr. Freeze, my second favorite, yes. I just dont like Riddler being 1. a serial killer (only should want to murder Batman) and 2. clearly driven by a compulsion not insane. I find it insulting to the character to be placed in Arkham Asylum.

We are getting off-topic.

Who is returning in Suicid Squad? They brought in a villain even I never heard of to kill off then there is Captain Boomerang and The Bat Rogues with Rick Flagg.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-02-2019, 12:24 PM

I'm not even sure I want him trying to kill Batman. Nashton's never been a bloodthirsty guy, and only ever interested in matching wits in a bid to prove his mental superiority. At least until more recent years, anyway.

The very first time I read a story where Riddler was openly trying to kill anyone - especially Batman - I'm like "Where'd they find this hack writer?" That's not who the character is. It's plainly just done because they ran out of ideas for him, and I find that lazy. He's a little more unique than all that.

Like, the Venom-infused "Jigsaw" ripoff in the TellTale Batman games? Neat character, well-done, but NOT the Riddler. Then again, everyone in those games was OOC as hell.

Anyways, I take thread topics as suggestions.

I've got not a whole lot to say about Squad 2 at this point, myself.

02-02-2019, 12:04 PM	#6
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Sure, I dont need smpathy for The Riddler nor do I want it. Mr. Freeze, my second favorite, yes. I just dont like Riddler being 1. a serial killer (only should want to murder Batman) and 2. clearly driven by a compulsion not insane. I find it insulting to the character to be placed in Arkham Asylum. We are getting off-topic. Who is returning in Suicid Squad? They brought in a villain even I never heard of to kill off then there is Captain Boomerang and The Bat Rogues with Rick Flagg. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

02-02-2019, 11:17 AM	#3
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Nah, just curious brother. I've met a lot of people who like the Riddler but honestly haven't had anyone tell me he's their specific favorite. Just wondering what made him stand out for you, and I do believe I have an answer. I'm a bit silly in that I prefer the old spandex gimmick versus the suit and derby hat, myself. Can't quite explain why, just is what it is. I thought the Hush twist was quite interesting, but it felt like they could've taken it a bit farther than they did before he lost his memory eventually. They actually did that with Lex not long after, having him figure out Clark was Superman and then they had him forget about it without actually doing anything of substance with it. I feel like sometimes these guys fall in love with these "Shocking Final-Page Reveals!" and don't actually have a follow-up plan, and then if nobody comes up with one in a couple of months they just sweep it under the rug. Frustrating.

02-02-2019, 11:51 AM	#5
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well, full disclosure, I'm never concerned with whether or not I sympathize with a villain. I don't particularly want to. They're bad guys. It's nice if I can understand their motivations but it's by no means necessary. It's nice sometimes, though. Like with Lex, for example. It's become fashionable in recent years to humanize him, despite everything from the 80s through the early-2000s establishing that he's literally worse than Satan (or Neron, as the case may be). "If I ever HAD a soul, I lost it a long time ago", and all that. The more writers try and make him "someone the reader can relate to", the more they're getting it incorrect, as far as I'm concerned. Now obviously Riddler isn't anywhere in that area, I was just making a general point about villains in general. AND "truthishly", one of my favorite comics of all time includes a very, VERY good Riddler story that is indeed very sympathetic. Some even say it's the BEST Riddler story. I'unno about that necessarily, but it's written by Neal Gaiman, of all people, so of course it's quite good. And despite what I literally just said above, part of why the book excels is indeed because of how it puts each of the villains in a sympathetic light, moreso than they'd ever been portrayed as up to that point. I'm sure you've seen THIS one before, haven't you? That entire book is FANTASTIC, by the way, and worth tracking down at any price, as it contains what I will forever consider the "definitive" origins of Penguin, Riddler, and Two-Face. It's become somewhat highly-prized and somewhat expensive, due to it containing the VERY first appearance of the Joker after he murdered Jason Todd, so it was quite the hot book when it was fresh. Must-read for any Batman fan. I personally can't ever put any of the characters' other origin tales above the ones presented in this book. These are the Real Deal, the rest is fanfic. When you read and compare, it's easy to see why. The Riddler one is the midpoint comic relief, while the Penguin and Two-Face tales are rather dark, but the whole book is balanced very well. Highest Possible Recommendation and a bargain at any price for Bat-Fans.

02-02-2019, 12:24 PM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm not even sure I want him trying to kill Batman. Nashton's never been a bloodthirsty guy, and only ever interested in matching wits in a bid to prove his mental superiority. At least until more recent years, anyway. The very first time I read a story where Riddler was openly trying to kill anyone - especially Batman - I'm like "Where'd they find this hack writer?" That's not who the character is. It's plainly just done because they ran out of ideas for him, and I find that lazy. He's a little more unique than all that. Like, the Venom-infused "Jigsaw" ripoff in the TellTale Batman games? Neat character, well-done, but NOT the Riddler. Then again, everyone in those games was OOC as hell. Anyways, I take thread topics as suggestions. I've got not a whole lot to say about Squad 2 at this point, myself.