New Ghostbusters movie in OG movie universe Jason Reitman directing 2020

[Andrew NDB]

Jason Reitman gets an unexpected ally:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feig-int...ers-3-outrage/

[Leo656]

An unexpectedly classy move.

I'll still never watch another movie that he's made, but my respect for him has gone up a hair.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Jason Reitman gets an unexpected ally:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feig-int...ers-3-outrage/

his career is in the tanker. his alleged scheming with leslie jones to turn it into a racist attack failed. and these remaining white knights trying to turn it into ANOTHER controversy arn't doing the brand any favors.

I'm guessing he was strong armed by the studio to silence his followers the way they attacked the fans last round.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I admit, it will be interesting to see the universe again. Think about it. There were two large-scale ghost invasions in New York City, witnessed by millions of people (3 if you count the game). It will be a 2019 where everyone has to accept that's real.

It'll be a bit like Independence Day 2 in that way. In that, I would expect, the world would be preparing for more ghost invasions. Maybe that's what happens. The government steps in and does their own ghost-protection agencies... rendering the Ghostbusters obsolete.

I really like that idea. It’s similar to that leaked script from years ago. Where other people took over and replaced them with new employees. Slimer was contained like a trophy animal. Did you see that?

Anyway you could have the government take over, not allowing the original team to franchise, because they considered them reckless due to all the damage that resulted. That would make perfect sense for them closing down.

Ghostbusters: MIP. Men in Proton-Packs. That would be sooo cool. They’d have upgraded equipment, tracking devices and SWAT style Ecto vehicles.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Ooof. No, no. The packs and all that stuff are iconic. You can't just redesign something that's left an indelible mark on history just because it's "old".

Plus, we already had "redesigned" packs and stuff in the last movie, and they looked terrible. Everyone WANTS to see the stuff they already like. That's what they expect. 50 years from now when people do Ghostbusters cosplay, they're STILL going to predominantly be wearing the classic stuff. NOT the "Extreme Ghostbusters" stuff, not the junk they wore in the reboot... the stuff people actually like and remember. It would be a complete waste to try and come up with something better; they can't, and nobody's gonna care.

Plus, the packs' power cells had a half-life of 5,000 years, and it's been what... 35? Still a ways to go yet. The entire in-universe explanation was that this stuff is crazy expensive so it needs to be durable; they can't just whip up replacements on a casual whim for any old reason.

I do expect that, as always, we'll see some new gear, because that's half the fun. But they definitely shouldn't mess with the packs or the traps or anything like that. That's the stuff you fall back on when stuff like the Slime-Blower or the Giga-Meter fail to hold people's attention.

I expect the "kids" will have most of the new gear, possibly designing it themselves to give it some kind of "whimsical charm" (blech). As long as we don't get a scene where they're literally running around punching ghosts in the face, it might not be TOO bad.

I liked the reboots packs. Not the design I would have done but I thought they were pretty cool. Never really liked the Extreme packs though. Seemed bland.

I know the cells have a huge life span. I meant a redesign in terms of making them lighter and easier to use. Same with the trap. Maybe make them wireless.

I know the original gear is iconic. It’s about updating thier technology to be better equipped.

It’s not about replacing stuff. For example Jurassic World. It’s just another step in the universe. The original cars and park are the most recognizable...that’s totally fine. Just how it is.

You say bleh about the kids gear but even if nobody was joining them I really can not see Ray and/or Egon never updating thier equipment. Even you said new gear is half the fun...wouldn’t new weapons count as an update?

[The Deadman]

GHOSTBUSTERS: New Details Revealed On The Four Lead Teens Jason Reitman Is Looking To Cast
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...o-cast-a166680

[Leo656]

Not shocked that they want two guys and two girls; I completely expected that.

But seeing confirmation that they want kids as young as 12 is a hard pass for me. They're gonna have to work SUPER hard to win me over on something I absolutely am not interested in seeing, which is "Ghostbusters: Kids Edition" as the writer of the article so helpfully put it.

Yeah, nah. I only cared about the original cast returning, and this says that at best they'll barely be in it. No sale, I'm out.

[Wildcat]

^^ You’re not really out...you even gave the reboot a watch.

I’m a little disappointed that the original cast might have smaller roles than excepted but it does not change my stance. The story is most important to me.

I want a fitting plot coming off of part 2 while hopefully doing something a bit different. Other than NY being attacked. It doesn’t always have be about NY.

Had there been a part 3 in the 90s or whenever, it was going to introduce a new team. I never had a problem with that.

The article did not have to say “GB: Kids Edition”. Although I think it was only semi-serious since it jokingly said get ready for backlash over female characters.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

I really like that idea. It’s similar to that leaked script from years ago. Where other people took over and replaced them with new employees. Slimer was contained like a trophy animal. Did you see that?

No, I did not.

Anyway you could have the government take over, not allowing the original team to franchise, because they considered them reckless due to all the damage that resulted. That would make perfect sense for them closing down.

I don't know if the Ghostbusters would have been criminalized. I mean, the second one was all about them getting the mayor's blessing to do whatever they needed to. And at the end of GB2 we saw the Statue of Liberty restored (and the Ghostbusters being celebrated publicly) so... there really wasn't much damage done to anything.

And yeah, GB2 makes things pretty concrete with ghosts. The people that could be like, "Yeah yeah, SOMETHING happened at 55 Central Park West in 1984... but it probably wasn't ghosts!" would be watching live on the news 5 years later about the Ghost Titanic returning to port, and the Statue of Liberty walking down the street. The gig's up, no one can deny it.

The government would have to step in after that. Think, like, a non-secret MIB kind of agency (plus you can imagine TPTB are going to want to think shared universe, ala their "Ghost Corps" business... this would allow that). And their budget would be decidedly higher than the Ghostbusters'... and there's not much point in running a ghostbusting business if the government is offering those services for "free."

This makes me think that the new movie must have a personal connection to the OG Ghostbusters. Something that the government would need of them. Like, maybe it's Gozer him/her/itself again.

Originally Posted by The Deadman

GHOSTBUSTERS: New Details Revealed On The Four Lead Teens Jason Reitman Is Looking To Cast
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-f...o-cast-a166680

Originally Posted by Leo656

Not shocked that they want two guys and two girls; I completely expected that.

But seeing confirmation that they want kids as young as 12 is a hard pass for me. They're gonna have to work SUPER hard to win me over on something I absolutely am not interested in seeing, which is "Ghostbusters: Kids Edition" as the writer of the article so helpfully put it.

Yeah, nah. I only cared about the original cast returning, and this says that at best they'll barely be in it. No sale, I'm out.

I like to cut to the source, not an opinion article about an article. The source article that article cites just says this: "We're hearing that director Jason Reitman is meeting with young actors this Oscar weekend to play the four teen protagonists in his reboot. He's looking for two pairs of a brother-sister combo in the 12 and 17-year range, so expect some casting news sooner rather than later for the summer 2020 film."

So no, nothing about what kind of screen time the OG Ghostbusters gets vs. the teens... just that he's casting four teens. Which we already knew.

[Wildcat]

You’re right about the mayor and stuff. Being deemed hazardous would not really make sense. Ya a non-secret government agency...that’s why I said GB:MIP. Not that they’d name it that.

I don’t mind Gozer being the villain again. I hope Stay Puft appears in some way. They should do something with that marshmallow fluff fan theory. Mini-Marshmallow Man or Zombie Stay Puft, where he’s like half melted.

I agree about the article. Even if the originals do not have huge roles they must have significant roles in order to setup the story and interact with the kids/teens.

Like Rick Moranis. He’s not the focus but he played an important part.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

You’re right about the mayor and stuff. Being deemed hazardous would not really make sense. Ya a non-secret government agency...that’s why I said GB:MIP. Not that they’d name it that.

"Ghost Force"?

I don’t mind Gozer being the villain again. I hope Stay Puft appears in some way.

I kind of don't. I mean, he was even "in" the 2016 remake. And the Ghostbusters game with all the original cast. That's probably enough nostalgia for Stay Puft already, especially if we're already getting Gozer (and that's a big if).

I agree about the article. Even if the originals do not have huge roles they must have significant roles in order to setup the story and interact with the kids/teens.

Has to be significant. People aren't looking at Reitman's words closely enough. "It's a love letter to Ghostbusters fans," "I want this to be unwrapped in the public like a present, slowly," "I'm the biggest Ghostbusters fan and this is for them." No way he can say those things without egg on his face if they don't factor into things in a huge way. He knows what fans want to see. But by the same token Reitman has to set things up for Sony for more movies in the franchise... they aren't going to invest in this if there isn't future potential and, let's face it, Murray, Aykroyd and Hudson don't have tons of more Ghostbusters movies left in them and we're damn lucky to get one more out of Murray at all.

[Wildcat]

I always wanted to come up with a name using Spook. Like if a rival team opened a business and had a different logo or something. If the government took over Ghostbusters would still fit though.

Well I really like Stay Puft. He’s cute. I don’t mean he has to be the “final boss” type monster again. Just include in some way.

Ya no way Jason would only have the originals as cameos or passing characters.

[Andrew NDB]

Naw, no Stay Puft. Enough Stay Puft. Plus even with script unseen... we all know Slimer is a guaranteed thing.

Originally Posted by Wildcat

I always wanted to come up with a name using Spook.

There are probably good reasons for why not.

[Wildcat]

I never knew that was a slur. Seriously though nobody actually associates it as such. Probably a few do in very specific cases but not society.

I looked it up and found others didn’t know either. They even changed the name of a tv show.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

^^ You’re not really out...you even gave the reboot a watch.

The "Why" of that story is ultimately very important.

I was loudly and publicly on record as having NO interest in "Answer the Call" or ever seeing it. I saw the trailers and one full scene, and that was plenty. I knew I wouldn't like it - perhaps violently - and made a personal decision to stay away from it.

I'm not sure if you are married. I am. Occasionally, in a relationship, things will take a rocky turn, and as part of the reconciliation process, one party will insist that the other party acquiesce to do things they otherwise wouldn't do under normal circumstances, because "You owe me this on account of _____." Some people have to scrub the toilet or clean gutters. Some people have to perform oral, or anal. Some people have to watch horrible movies that they'd rather slash their wrists than ever watch again.

My wife is rather spiteful, so as part of my "penance" for whatever imaginary misdeed had occurred, I was given the choice of watching "Answer the Call" or having another nuclear war erupt. She admitted after the fact that she knew full well it was terrible and that I would be completely miserable, but that was the "punishment" she felt I deserved.

Worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, and that's absolutely the nicest thing I can say. I don't know if I'm actually capable of forgiving her, either. I once had a crushed finger reconstructed while I was wide awake, and it was less painful than that f*cking movie.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn't a choice. She pulled it once before with Transformers 4, but this was the absolute last straw. She's not allowed to pick the movies anymore, and sure, we argue about that, but I have to remind her that the last time was "Answer the Call", and that Lithium is expensive.

Anyway, mark my words. If anyone ever hears me say, "I'm about to go watch 'Answer the Call'," please call the police immediately, because that's my code for "I'm about to go hang myself in the garage."

[Wildcat]

So did you watch in theaters or once it came out on video?

No I’m not married by the way.

[Leo656]

She DVR'ed it. Neither one of us was ever going to spend a dime on that thing. She just wanted to get back at me for something nasty I said and decided that this was the meanest thing she could do without kicking me out.

I did you a "favor" and looked in the DF group to find out when I finally saw "Answer The Call", because I remember being extremely upset and needing to rant about it to someone who had no power to have me arrested. The date was April 23, 2018. I've Copy/Pasted my feelings because you may find them amusing. If not, my feelings will at the least be made perfectly clear.

I apologize in advance for the fact that I was in no way being "nice" or "polite" with my feelings towards this film or anyone who may like it. I created the DF explicitly for spleen-venting, and these were my stream-of-consciousness thoughts as of 8pm that day. I have not edited this at all from the original posts.

"Enjoy". ("Review" section in bold for the sake of clarification)
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"My wife made me watch the Ghostbusters reboot. I'd seen about half of it by way of trailers, online reviews, etc.; granted, it was all out-of-context, but still, I'd seen enough to know I probably wasn't going to like it.

I was NOT prepared for it to be the WORST GODDAMN F*CKING MOVIE I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.

Holy sh*t. And it's only PARTLY because of how badly it sh*ts on the franchise. That's bad, but the whole movie is bad. Like, relentlessly bad. There's no logic to anything, nothing makes any sense, it's all just one badly-staged slapstick gag leading to the next. It's like one of the worst SNL skits you've ever seen, dragged out to 2 hours and five minutes. And it felt like ten hours.

After they "won" by shooting the main ghost in the dick region, THEN ripped off the ending of "Pacific Rim", I damn near had a stroke. No foolin'! Face went numb and everything.

Bad. Unrepentantly, unapologetically bad. The director had no knowledge or care for the franchise, and THAT shows, because it really does all feel more like a "Scary Movie" style parody of Ghostbusters than anything sincere, but really, aside from that, it's all just extremely poorly done. Like Leslie Jones's character having crucial information about haunted buildings that any of the other characters, being "experts", should have already known, for no reason other than Character #4 hasn't had a line for a few minutes. Sloppy sh*t like that. And if you gender-flip the subplot with Chris Hemsworth's character - hired and kept around ONLY so the females can paw at and ogle him - it all becomes horribly offensive, a tribute to workplace sexual harassment (and borderline assault).

WHY would they keep ordering food from a place that gets their order wrong every single time? I've met mentally-impaired people who would know better. This f*cking movie.

Nothing is funny, the acting is universally horrible, the cameos from the original cast are shameless pandering (and borderline insulting when you realize it's partly THEIR fault we never got a proper sequel in the first place), the script is hot garbage, the CGI would look great as a PS4 game but looks like sh*t as a movie, and the colors are ridiculously over-saturated to the point where stationary objects like trees and chairs positively vibrate with color.

I've maybe seen "worse" movies, as in, made with less money, more glaring technical flaws, whatever. But this... this thing was the WORST experience I've ever had watching a movie. It was painful. I was legit angry.

I wish it was because of the way it disrespected the franchise, but it's just all-around Fail. UGH."
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I definitely could have said more, but there's a ridiculous character limit in Groups so long posts are annoying. But that's how I felt right after watching it. And I never, ever will again.

[Wildcat]

Well I agree there’s times that feel too skit-like and about Kevin. He was too stupid. I don’t like when cartoons, shows or movies make characters like that. They should have toned him down.

[Leo656]

That sh*t was insufferable. And nobody would have thought it was funny if it was gender-flipped. Only tolerated by anyone because of "Salty Fanboy Tears" nonsense, without simply acknowledging something bad and offensive as Bad and Offensive.

I actually never wanted to see Hemsworth in another movie again after that, but since he's playing Hogan I kinda have no choice. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think I care to see him in anything else. I really hated the entire cast to the point I wished I could send them all to the Phantom Zone and be done with it.

"Legend of Chun-Li" was my previous Worst Movie, but at least everyone openly recognizes it as being unwatchable and terrible. And when it came out, there was no "Like this movie or you hate _______!" narrative happening, so everyone just said "Wow, this thing's worthless" and quietly moved on. People's insistence that "Answer the Call" was some kind of force of nature, or even had any right to exist at all, was part of the problem, and part of what "elevates" it from "just" a bad movie to a painfully bad one.

At least whatever Reitman's up to can't be much worse. I don't buy the hype and I'm pretty sure most of what he's saying is corporate spin - as I've said, I'm a trained "hype man" myself, so I know bullsh*t when I smell it - but I'm comforted in knowing one thing: He would have to TRY to make a movie worse than the last one, and I don't think that's the plan. So anything at all should be an improvement.

[Wildcat]

I don’t think he’s trying to give corporate spin. Hasn’t really said anything except he’s really excited and wants to honor the original universe.

[Leo656]

Which is still "spin".

It will be incredibly difficult to "honor the original and its fans" while having the characters people are actually paying money to see spend most of the movie playing second-fiddle to a group of children. That's a fact, not an opinion.

The project as proposed to us so far will be an extremely tricky balancing act, made by a man with a spotty-at-best track record, who to my knowledge has NEVER either directed a "blockbuster", nor a movie that a large number of people actually even saw, and who ultimately - let's be 100% honest - only has the gig because of who his Daddy is. And I'll cite the landmark case of "David Flair vs. Any Wrestling Fan With Two Eyes" as concrete proof that talent is NOT genetic or hereditary (see also: Hogan, Brooke and Hennig, Joe).

I'm sure he cares and I'm sure he's going to try very hard to produce what HE thinks will be a good follow-up. But going strictly by what we know is true and not what we HOPE is true, I can't hope for much. He has no record to speak of and his proposal is ludicrous. It will take a delicate hand to make it work, and I strongly feel that the approach, while good-intentioned, is misguided. To be fair, it's PROBABLY being forced on him by the studio - I'll give him some credit and assume that he knows using literal children is not a good idea - but again, an idea that insipid will take greater care to execute than I'm convinced he's capable of. What's he even done?

I'm sure he's a nice guy, cares a lot, and will try hard. But he's punching above his weight class and I don't like the direction I'm hearing so far. It's ultimately going to be whatever movie Sony decides it should be, NOT whatever Jason Reitman thinks it should be. He has no track record in this area; Sony does, and it's lousy. THAT is what we should be basing expectations on, not the fact that the guy who's obviously excited to pick up Daddy's baton says he is, indeed, excited about it. He's still a pawn in the Big Game.

So yeah, it's still all just spin, even if he's sincere.