Star Wars: Episode IX

[Andrew NDB]

So yeah, Lucas really did become involved in IX. At least, early on. And it was his idea to bring back Palpatine.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/201...lude-palpatine

[Turo602]

The lack of R2-D2 in the trailer annoys me. C-3PO seems to be more involved this time around, which it's about damn time, but we're still missing R2-D2. They were a big part of both trilogies, always accompanying the heroes and even saving them and their antics were just a very charming part of Star Wars in general, and the way they've just taken a back seat this trilogy has never sit well with me.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Turo602

The lack of R2-D2 in the trailer annoys me. C-3PO seems to be more involved this time around, which it's about damn time, but we're still missing R2-D2. They were a big part of both trilogies, always accompanying the heroes and even saving them and their antics were just a very charming part of Star Wars in general, and the way they've just taken a back seat this trilogy has never sit well with me.

To be fair, they barely even showed the actual sequel trilogy people. The only goal here was "the feels."

Although... even on that note you would think they'd include an R2 moment.

Anyone else pick up on them trying to recreate the famous original Episode I trailer? "Every generation," etc..

Seeing a lot of speculation that "The Rise of Skywalker" doesn't refer to a person or the family (or it could also, dually)... but rather the name of what replaces the Jedi Order. i.e., after IX if you're a "good" Force user and want to register yourself, you are a Skywalker. Could be. And that would make the title sit better with me.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Seeing a lot of speculation that "The Rise of Skywalker" doesn't refer to a person or the family (or it could also, dually)... but rather the name of what replaces the Jedi Order. i.e., after IX if you're a "good" Force user and want to register yourself, you are a Skywalker. Could be. And that would make the title sit better with me.

That's funny, I just finished telling my brother that same exact thing. Because we had Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith, so naturally, I thought maybe the third film in this trilogy would be titled around the Knights of Ren, but since it's Skywalker and not Skywalkers, and the last film was The Last Jedi, it just makes sense that Skywalker is going to be the new name for the Jedi. So even though the Skywalker family story is wrapping up, their legacy will go on through different people, meaning Rey might not even be a Skywalker herself, just someone who adopts the name.

[neatoman]

[sdp]

This trailer did something I didn't think it could do, it got me excited for the movie. I doubt it'll be a great movie, it looks like it's going to do everything it can to salvage the sequel trilogy but that is at least an apology from Disney.

Bringing back the Emperor might be cheap but if the explanation is decent, then you might have a reason as to why Empire v Rebels has continued, the Emperor was still pulling the strings. Retcon Rey to a skywalker and instantly she'll be far more interesting and redeemable, have Finn become someone, Kylo do something interesting, Phasma is too late for her but maybe even her. Everyone else like Poe, Rose etc no one cares about.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

This trailer did something I didn't think it could do, it got me excited for the movie. I doubt it'll be a great movie, it looks like it's going to do everything it can to salvage the sequel trilogy but that is at least an apology from Disney.

I don't know if it got me "excited" for the movie, but it did kind of put a smile on my face. And that Leia shot was sure a cheap shot for emotion if I ever saw one... it worked, of course.

Bringing back the Emperor might be cheap but if the explanation is decent, then you might have a reason as to why Empire v Rebels has continued, the Emperor was still pulling the strings.

I admit, I never thought they'd do that, but it makes a lot of sense.

Also, don't forget... it was originally Lucas' idea to end Episode IX with the Emperor fight. Originally. It wasn't until pre-production of Return of the Jedi that he sort of merged and simplified all the big elements in VII-IX into VI.

I wonder who the big bad would have been in Lucas' 2012 outlines for VII-IX.

Retcon Rey to a skywalker and instantly she'll be far more interesting and redeemable

It wouldn't even be really a retcon. How would Kylo f***ing Ren even know who the parents were of some random kid from Jakku?

have Finn become someone, Kylo do something interesting, Phasma is too late for her but maybe even her.

Man, that's a lot.

Kylo I'm not too worried about. He's probably the most interesting character in these movies and it's not too hard to give him something "big" to do in this.

Finn, probably at some key moment I'd reveal he has Force potential. What else can you do with him, really?

Poe, who even cares? He's like, Angry Wedge Antilles. There's a reason you don't see whole scenes written around Wedge.

Everyone else like Poe, Rose etc no one cares about.

There's no reason to care about them. So far they just seem like ideas of characters, not actual living, breathing characters.

[newfan]

I know it means he was never truly destroyed in Jedi but I do also like that Palpatine is back, given how things turned out with Snoke, someone needs to be the big threat (though I liked Andrew's idea that he was in Snoke's body all that time). Also, it's another character from the original trilogy, with few left it would seem more removed as a conclusion.
Sad that Lando never got to reunite with any of the 3, more so Han or Leia but glad to see him make an appearance.


As with others, my interest has lifted a little at least.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by newfan

(though I liked Andrew's idea that he was in Snoke's body all that time).

The only way this gets hairy is the interviews when Last Jedi was coming out about, "Snoke is definitely not a Sith."

But obviously this was before they had any idea what they were doing in Episode IX. There is nothing in-movie about Snoke not being a Sith.

Sad that Lando never got to reunite with any of the 3, more so Han or Leia but glad to see him make an appearance.

Yeah, with the sequel trilogy, I had a small checklist of things I was most looking forward to seeing. A new scene with Luke and Han in it and Han hanging with Lando one more time were on it.

I keep seeing stupid articles about Ben/Kylo Ren "reclaiming" the name Skywalker. He never had it! Even if he's not Ben Solo because apparently Han never married Leia (or did he?) and ran off to be a smuggler because nostalgia, he'd be Ben Organa. Is there any official consensus on what's his legit last name?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The only way this gets hairy is the interviews when Last Jedi was coming out about, "Snoke is definitely not a Sith."

But obviously this was before they had any idea what they were doing in Episode IX. There is nothing in-movie about Snoke not being a Sith.



Yeah, with the sequel trilogy, I had a small checklist of things I was most looking forward to seeing. A new scene with Luke and Han in it and Han hanging with Lando one more time were on it.

I keep seeing stupid articles about Ben/Kylo Ren "reclaiming" the name Skywalker. He never had it! Even if he's not Ben Solo because apparently Han never married Leia (or did he?) and ran off to be a smuggler because nostalgia, he'd be Ben Organa. Is there any official consensus on what's his legit last name?

So far as changing Snoke, I mean with different writers and having to come up a change for this movie the story with him can be changed, as you said, especially if it (and not a lot else) was confirmed about Snoke in the movies.


As for the original cast, I mean it was a big thing them coming back after all these years, only having Han and Leia reunite (in person I mean as Luke was a projection) is disappointing.

As for Ben, unless he names himself cause he is all about 'grandfather', however that is his dark side being all about Vader not Skywalker. I'd rather it was something else too the title meaning that is. They may yet surprise us, though I'm not sure there are many options to go with.

[CyberCubed]

Unless I missed her in the trailer, I didn't see Rose at all. We know she's in the movie because her actress signed on, but I really wonder if her role is severely reduced to minor character. I'd be shocked they'd do that because she's the only prominent Asian character in the movie, and it might cause some backlash to see a female Asian minority get sidelined due to how she was received in The Last Jedi. She wasn't a good character but it isn't the actress fault, it was the poor dialogue and role for Rose.

As for Poe? I think he's fine for what he is. He's a hot headed fighter pilot, and a good friend of Finn, what more do you need? Not every character needs to have this tragic backstory or layers of depth. He's fine as a support character.

[sdp]

I'm sure Rose will make a fine background character, that's who she was in TLJ even if she had a ton of screentime. I'm sure there'll be plenty of complains about poor female minorities and that the alt-right won but who cares people will always whine about political stuff no matter what the movie makers do.

Poe should very much have been someone more interesting, they tried to sell us on Finn, Rey and Poe as the new "trio" of the trilogy and they've done a very poor job at it 2/3rds in. Counting we only have one movie and tons of things to fix, Poe should be left off as a bland character, we already sacrificed too much time in TLJ to absolutely nothing. Finn on the other hand had tons of potential and while TLJ spat on him, yeah have him become force sensitive in TROS and do something there.

A whole movie fixing the details that don't make sense can help patch up this trilogy which I thought was impossible but looking at all that came out the last few months Disney was in panic mode and began to listen to the complains and adjusting their plans which even if a bit too late for a kick ass trilogy is still a win.

Explain how Snoke was this puppet of the Emperor, hence how he got the power so quickly but still went out like a loser. Luke needs to return as a ghost, maybe explain how the dark side in him to defeat Vader in ROTJ corrupted his judgement and training.

[MikeandRaph87]

What do you all make of the idea that Skywalker will be a Neo-Jedi as in rise of Skywalker?

[AquaParade]

I need someone to tell me that The Mandalorian will get a home release at some point. Like a Blu-ray or 4K.

I’m already hook, line, and sinker for Disney+, but this is something I’d like to own.

You think there’s a chance?

[sdp]

Some of Netflix original shows have dvd releases and Star Wars nerds love physical, Disney while not perfect has released plenty of their stuff on dvd, I think it's likely.

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian, I'd rather have the live action SWs that Lucas had made but I went from not caring anything about it to "Well, Disney seems to be listening so it could be cool". I'm sure I'll check it out eventually. With "all of the SWs movies on Disney+", I wonder if the Ewok films, they're star wars films after all. The Ewok and droid cartoons would be another big plus for me as would the original Clone Wars shorts.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

What do you all make of the idea that Skywalker will be a Neo-Jedi as in rise of Skywalker?

Kind of already talked about that here. Seems like a reasonable prediction. Rebuilding the Jedi Order as the Jedi Order when the Jedi Order proved to be seriously flawed wouldn't make much sense. So they make something new... the Skywalker Order, or whatever. You're not a Jedi, you're a Skywalker now.

Originally Posted by sdp

I'm sure Rose will make a fine background character, that's who she was in TLJ even if she had a ton of screentime. I'm sure there'll be plenty of complains about poor female minorities and that the alt-right won but who cares people will always whine about political stuff no matter what the movie makers do.

Rose has been shown in BTS stuff on set, so she's definitely in there. Nothing suggests her role in it is much bigger than, say, Billie Lourd's in either episode, though.

Explain how Snoke was this puppet of the Emperor, hence how he got the power so quickly but still went out like a loser. Luke needs to return as a ghost, maybe explain how the dark side in him to defeat Vader in ROTJ corrupted his judgement and training.

I'm still thinking it might be revealed that Snoke was Palpatine. That's really the only way to retcon some value to even having Snoke around at all.

I bet the farm there will be Force Ghost stuff galore. Luke of course, more Yoda, Kenobi and even Anakin. Hayden's presence at the Star Wars Celebration along with McDiarmid's probably wasn't a coincidence.

Originally Posted by sdp

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian

Have you seen the footage from the Star Wars Celebration of it that leaked today? I've been "meh" on this show so far... but it looked really amazing.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Have you seen the footage from the Star Wars Celebration of it that leaked today? I've been "meh" on this show so far... but it looked really amazing.

And it had to leak because the Celebration live stream blanked it out on the screen as they apparently were not allowed to broadcast it online

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by sdp

Some of Netflix original shows have dvd releases and Star Wars nerds love physical, Disney while not perfect has released plenty of their stuff on dvd, I think it's likely.

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian, I'd rather have the live action SWs that Lucas had made but I went from not caring anything about it to "Well, Disney seems to be listening so it could be cool". I'm sure I'll check it out eventually. With "all of the SWs movies on Disney+", I wonder if the Ewok films, they're star wars films after all. The Ewok and droid cartoons would be another big plus for me as would the original Clone Wars shorts.

Good points. The Star Wars community is made up of many adults, from a generation who may still highly appreciate physical content. I guess I'd have to count myself among them. I mean, hey, look at me Disney. I'll pay for this product twice! With the subscription and for a 4k release.

My fear is that Disney will go so hard on "+", that they won't want to allow any other possible way to see The Mandalorian. Hopefully in good time though.

[Andrew NDB]

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-o...king-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...er-rey-parents

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-o...king-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...er-rey-parents