Post Endgame MCU Predictions

[Jester]

So I figured I'd start a thread where we could post predictions as to what will happen in the MCU now that Endgame is in the theaters. Please maintain spoiler tags just to be safe. If your prediction has nothing to do with Endgame then don't worry about it.

I really wonder if the MCU will introduce Galactus or at least his Herald in one of the cosmic Marvel movies either the sequel to Captain Marvel or Guardians 3. I could really see a post credit scene where you zoom in on a planet that welcomes with open arms somebody that is revealed to be Silver Surfer.

[AquaParade]

SO many possibilities. I'm really excited. As much as I love what they've done so far, especially "Phase 3", I think it feels liberating to know that we are done with the Infinity Stones, as well as in a place where Marvel Studio's is feeling 100% confident in their decisions.

I want to see them play with tone even more. I want to see things become goofier in places, and more mature in others. There are so many characters now, that I welcome the idea of guest-characters popping up in "solo films".

I hope they are able to expand on Spider-Man, X-Men, and all the other characters they just received back, without too long of a wait.

Most of all, I want to feel a sense of legacy. While I'm glad to move on from the movies focusing on the original six, I'd like to see reverence for them, as well as traces and ripples of their actions. New versions of some of our favorite characters, and mantles being passed down, is something that really excites me. A bit of new mixed with a bit of old for the new Avengers team.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It does seem like we won't be seeing movies for ANY of the Big 6 going forward.

Spoiler:

Except maybe Thor and Hulk.

It also feels really weird that Wanda Maximoff is getting shunted off to TV instead of finally getting more than 10 minutes of cinematic screentime.

I predict the time travel logic plot holes (I think that's safe to no-spoiler) don't get addressed in any movies. It's all just handwaved.

Seems like the NEW Big 6 will be...

Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, and a couple of new crew...

Spoiler:

(And maybe Hulk.)

I don't see Ant-Man and Wasp making the Avengers cut on a regular basis. And I don't see the Guardians of the Galaxy popping up again after GotG3.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Additional thought: I'm curious how the MCU will fare in the period between introducing the X-Men and Fantastic Four, and closing out Phase 3 with Endgame.

So many fan-favorite characters are being shunted to TV (possibly to explore their stories, but also I suspect because the powers that be aren't interested in giving them movies and don't believe they'd be a big enough box-office draw)... Scarlet Witch, Vision, Bucky, Falcon, Hawkeye...

I think franchises for successful characters like Black Panther and Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange and Spider-Man will do well, but is this the point where viewer fatigue FINALLY sets in? Do we really care about Eternals and Shang-Chi? Can the trailers and casting make us care?

Or are most viewers just waiting to hear who will be cast for Cyclops, Rogue, Jean Gray, Kitty Pryde, Storm, and Wolverine in five years?

Also, eventually, Sony is gonna derail the MCU Spidey. It's inevitable.

[AquaParade]

Aside from my initial desires, I have a slight curveball...

If the Sony-Marvel deal continues, I think there is potential for Spider-Man's adventures to continue in a Disney+ show. With the budget some of these shows will be getting, it has become quite exciting to imagine a serialized, live-action Spider-Man television show. Sony may even like the idea of having the theater-space to themselves when it comes to Spider-Man.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

If the Sony-Marvel deal continues, I think there is potential for Spider-Man's adventures to continue in a Disney+ show

Well...

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/phi...on-1203200197/

They'll need a platform

[Andrew NDB]

END OF PHASE 3:

* Spider-Man: Far From Home: I don't expect anything special at all from this, particularly any Fantastic Four/X-Men stuff. Mostly because it's Sony and Spider-Man is a leased thing and if there's any surprise "stingers," it would most likely only be of benefit to the Spider-Verse (the upcoming "Morbius" movie, "Venom 2," etc.).

PHASE 4:

Spoiler:

* Black Widow: As a prequel probably set in the early 2000s, it's got an opportunity to have her cross paths with random mutants (good or bad). Also, it'll reveal that she's A-OK in the end on Vormir.

* Black Panther 2: We'll see some mutants in this for sure. Maybe even something about adamantium. This could even be where Wolverine is introduced! Imagine a big Black Panther vs. Wolverine fight, vibranium vs. adamantium.

* The Eternals: DEFINITELY something about Galactus in this. He may not be the focus or anything, but we'll get a reveal or see his story, to be sure.

* Dr. Strange 2: I'm thinking that Gamora somehow crosses paths with Strange, and Strange merges her consciousness that's trapped in the dimension of the Soul Stone with the body of her past self that's still here in the present after Endgame. Beyond that, jeeze... maybe Dr. Strange meets Charles Xavier? Maybe Dr. Doom?

* Guardians of the Galaxy 3: Cosmic stuff... which means at least some kind of Galactus/Silver Surfer reveal. Now, we know Gunn's script was written before the Marvel/Fox acquisition was final, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be tweaked this way or that. Thor will be along for the ride... I guess?

* Shang-Chi: No clue. I don't even know who that is. Possibilities for him to clash with mutants, though. Lady Deathstrike or someone.

* Ant-Man 3: Just speculation, but it sure would be neat to see Scott and Hank and all working with/teaming with Reed Richards on something. Ant-Man seems like the most organic way to gently introduce the F4 family.

* Captain Marvel 2: You know it's coming. Maybe set in between CM1 and Endgame. Obvious potential with her encountering mutants OR something more in the vein of the Silver Surfer/Galactus, given her power level.

Those are the movies we know are coming. Phase 3 has 11 movies, so that still leaves about 3 movies we don't know about for Phase 4. What could they be?

Spoiler:

1) Some kind of all-female Avengers movie: Ever since what's her face from Ragnarok made a big what-to-do about this with all the other female Marvel actresses after Ragnarok came out (and especially after seeing the cringeworthy, random "Women Marvel Characters UNITE!" moment in Endgame) this seems like a sure thing. I don't know what I'd expect in it. Probably a lot of social justice and toxic masculinity being smacked down.

2) A new Blade movie. Maybe? There's rumblings about this every once and again. The idea of Wesley coming back to play a legacy Blade to a new Blade isn't a bad one. Also, if Morbius does good over at Sony, they could import him into this.

And lastly... by about the end of Phase 4 (if it follows the same architecture as Phase 3) we will be about at the end of the 4, 5 year mark (which is when Feige said is the earliest we could expect X-Men/F4 movies)...

3) Avengers vs. X-Men: It'll be the big debut of the X-Men, running afoul of the Avengers. You know the kind of story. Big fight between them, common enemy will show up, everyone will become best friends.

Then, Phase 5, we'll start to get the BIG movies. "The Uncanny X-Men," "The Fantastic Four," "Silver Surfer," "Wolverine," etc..

[AquaParade]

If anything, Far From Home’s stinger will tease future MCU projects. It won’t be a Sony Spider-Man film.

It is interesting to consider whether it could be for a “Fox property”, but I doubt it because I think they have other priorities that were already in place. Same reason we didn’t see a teaser for those properties in Endgame.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

If anything, Far From Home’s stinger will tease future MCU projects. It won’t be a Sony Spider-Man film.

But the first movie's stinger didn't tease any future MCU projects... it teased "Sinister Six," which Sony has been trying to get off the ground forever. I don't see them changing gears in 2.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But the first movie's stinger didn't tease any future MCU projects... it teased "Sinister Six," which Sony has been trying to get off the ground forever. I don't see them changing gears in 2.

Same. Sony's gonna keep plugging Sinister Six until it happens (and crashes and burns).

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

END OF PHASE 3:

* Spider-Man: Far From Home: I don't expect anything special at all from this, particularly any Fantastic Four/X-Men stuff. Mostly because it's Sony and Spider-Man is a leased thing and if there's any surprise "stingers," it would most likely only be of benefit to the Spider-Verse (the upcoming "Morbius" movie, "Venom 2," etc.).

PHASE 4:

Spoiler:

* Black Widow: As a prequel probably set in the early 2000s, it's got an opportunity to have her cross paths with random mutants (good or bad). Also, it'll reveal that she's A-OK in the end on Vormir.

* Black Panther 2: We'll see some mutants in this for sure. Maybe even something about adamantium. This could even be where Wolverine is introduced! Imagine a big Black Panther vs. Wolverine fight, vibranium vs. adamantium.

* The Eternals: DEFINITELY something about Galactus in this. He may not be the focus or anything, but we'll get a reveal or see his story, to be sure.

* Dr. Strange 2: I'm thinking that Gamora somehow crosses paths with Strange, and Strange merges her consciousness that's trapped in the dimension of the Soul Stone with the body of her past self that's still here in the present after Endgame. Beyond that, jeeze... maybe Dr. Strange meets Charles Xavier? Maybe Dr. Doom?

* Guardians of the Galaxy 3: Cosmic stuff... which means at least some kind of Galactus/Silver Surfer reveal. Now, we know Gunn's script was written before the Marvel/Fox acquisition was final, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be tweaked this way or that. Thor will be along for the ride... I guess?

* Shang-Chi: No clue. I don't even know who that is. Possibilities for him to clash with mutants, though. Lady Deathstrike or someone.

* Ant-Man 3: Just speculation, but it sure would be neat to see Scott and Hank and all working with/teaming with Reed Richards on something. Ant-Man seems like the most organic way to gently introduce the F4 family.

* Captain Marvel 2: You know it's coming. Maybe set in between CM1 and Endgame. Obvious potential with her encountering mutants OR something more in the vein of the Silver Surfer/Galactus, given her power level.

Those are the movies we know are coming. Phase 3 has 11 movies, so that still leaves about 3 movies we don't know about for Phase 4. What could they be?

Spoiler:

1) Some kind of all-female Avengers movie: Ever since what's her face from Ragnarok made a big what-to-do about this with all the other female Marvel actresses after Ragnarok came out (and especially after seeing the cringeworthy, random "Women Marvel Characters UNITE!" moment in Endgame) this seems like a sure thing. I don't know what I'd expect in it. Probably a lot of social justice and toxic masculinity being smacked down.

2) A new Blade movie. Maybe? There's rumblings about this every once and again. The idea of Wesley coming back to play a legacy Blade to a new Blade isn't a bad one. Also, if Morbius does good over at Sony, they could import him into this.

And lastly... by about the end of Phase 4 (if it follows the same architecture as Phase 3) we will be about at the end of the 4, 5 year mark (which is when Feige said is the earliest we could expect X-Men/F4 movies)...

3) Avengers vs. X-Men: It'll be the big debut of the X-Men, running afoul of the Avengers. You know the kind of story. Big fight between them, common enemy will show up, everyone will become best friends.

Then, Phase 5, we'll start to get the BIG movies. "The Uncanny X-Men," "The Fantastic Four," "Silver Surfer," "Wolverine," etc..

I actually really disagree with most of your theories, even though I like them. No mutants, no Fantastic Four. I think Phase 4 will, for the most part, be standalone. No main connective tissue between movies, no building threat until the last or second-to-last movie.

Spoiler:

Also, I fully believe Black Widow will stay dead. Much as we'll miss her.

Guardians of the Galaxy 3, I think Thor might not even be around for. Instead, Valkryie calls him first to help with Thor 4, only because we know Wahiti wants to do Thor 4. And so Thor is absent by the time GotG3 rolls around.

Doctor Strange 2, no Gamora. Just Nightmare and Baron Mordo.

The Eternals, though, I think your theory could definitely happen. The Galactus tease you and I were expecting WILL eventually happen.

At the moment, my expectation is Kang the Conqueror for Avengers 5, due to Avengers 4 time-travel fallout or it attracted his attention or something. And then Galactus or Avengers vs X-Men for Avengers 6. Unless Avengers vs X-Men ends up not ACTUALLY an Avengers movie, like Captain America: Civil War was an Avengers movie in all but name.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But the first movie's stinger didn't tease any future MCU projects... it teased "Sinister Six," which Sony has been trying to get off the ground forever. I don't see them changing gears in 2.

Okay, I see where you are coming from now, but I don’t think those are the same “Sinister Six” that Sony has been talking about doing. That would imply that Michael Keaton is in both a Marvel and Sony film.
We don’t think Marvel wants Sony getting tangled up in their universe, right? I do think Sony wants that but I do not think it was part of the contract.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Well...

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/phi...on-1203200197/

They'll need a platform

Holy...

[Andrew NDB]

I actually really disagree with most of your theories, even though I like them. No mutants, no Fantastic Four. I think Phase 4 will, for the most part, be standalone. No main connective tissue between movies, no building threat until the last or second-to-last movie.

You don't think we'll see X-Men and Fantastic Four characters seeded into the foreseeable movies? Just all of them all at once, at the end of the phase?

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Okay, I see where you are coming from now, but I don’t think those are the same “Sinister Six” that Sony has been talking about doing. That would imply that Michael Keaton is in both a Marvel and Sony film.

He was. But no, that's not the exact same "Sinister Six" movie they were trying to make during the Garfield days, but some version of it has always been on their agenda.

We don’t think Marvel wants Sony getting tangled up in their universe, right? I do think Sony wants that but I do not think it was part of the contract.

Pretty sure Sony still gets to do anything they want with Spider-Man characters in their own movies at Sony, even if they first appear in an MCU movie proper.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

He was. But no, that's not the exact same "Sinister Six" movie they were trying to make during the Garfield days, but some version of it has always been on their agenda.



Pretty sure Sony still gets to do anything they want with Spider-Man characters in their own movies, even if they first appear in an MCU movie proper.

I’m just going to guarantee you that Sony and Marvel are operating in very separate universes. Michael Keaton is not being set up for a Sony-helmed Sinister Six film. Pinky promise.

Since we can’t peek at that contract, I guess we will just have to wait and see though.

I’m pretty sure the context is out there if you find the right interviews though.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I’m just going to guarantee you that Sony and Marvel are operating in very separate universes.

I'm sure if you ask anyone at Marvel (i.e., Feige) he would say that you're right. If you were to ask anyone at Sony (i.e., Pascal) she would say that you're wrong, that it's all one.

The truth is, they're both right. Marvel CAN integrate stuff they create in their Sony Spider-verse (i.e., Venom)... they just don't want to, yet. They may never. In the other direction, as I said, pretty sure Sony CAN use the Spider-Man-based characters (i.e., ones derived from Spider-Man comics that Sony would own the rights to... obviously Sony can't put Rocket Raccoon in a solo Sony movie, but they can certainly use Vulture) that appear in Marvel Studios movies in Sony-based movies. It just hasn't really come up yet.

And it makes sense. Sony just making profits off the 1 Spider-Man movie that gets put out every 2 years through Marvel Studios isn't really a good enough deal to make their partnership with Marvel Studios justifiable, fiscally. It had to be, Sony: "You can use Spider-Man and Spider-Man characters if you run it by us first during our contract... but meanwhile, we can pump out whatever side Spider-Man character-related movie on our side we want."

Michael Keaton is not being set up for a Sony-helmed Sinister Six film. Pinky promise.

Since we can’t peek at that contract, I guess we will just have to wait and see though.

I'd almost be willing to take that bet, however there's still good reason to believe Sony will fumble the bar and the "Sinister Six" movie will never even end up happening... making the whole thing moot.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

You don't think we'll see X-Men and Fantastic Four characters seeded into the foreseeable movies? Just all of them all at once, at the end of the phase?

No, not all at once. I think the first movies are going to be pretty light on Fox-property hints. If Marvel had to hold off on even a Galactus end credits scene (unless it was a deliberate choice not to tease ANY future movie at the end of Endgame), I don't see them being ready to cast a mutant or a Doctor Doom or somebody for, say, Black Widow or Black Panther 2.

My gut is Phase 4 is going to feel like Phase 1 again; less grandiose. Not establishing the pending big EVENTS, just establishing some characters. And finishing off a couple of series, like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man.

I say, Marvel cracks open the Fox box by first having a villain that can be done without the X-Men or Fantastic Four. Galactus and Silver Surfer don't HAVE to have the Fantastic Four, right?

Anyway, that's my thinking. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

We may have ALREADY seen a tease for the next phase, right under our collective noses. I'll give you all a hint- DC's version did "swimmingly", at least for a week or so. Yes, it's who you think it is. Remember the beginning of Endgame, when

Spoiler:

Natasha and Steve were still getting intel on who was missing after the snap? There was a conference call that discussed, among other things, a huge earthquake UNDER THE OCEAN. Right after the second snap. Remember folks, Earth isn't JUST home to normal "surface-dwellers"!!

If my theory is right, we are already being shown hints of who/what is to come. One of them is probably really ticked that half his kingdom got obliterated by meddling outsiders....

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

We may have ALREADY seen a tease for the next phase, right under our collective noses. I'll give you all a hint- DC's version did "swimmingly", at least for a week or so. Yes, it's who you think it is. Remember the beginning of Endgame, when

Spoiler:

Natasha and Steve were still getting intel on who was missing after the snap? There was a conference call that discussed, among other things, a huge earthquake UNDER THE OCEAN. Right after the second snap. Remember folks, Earth isn't JUST home to normal "surface-dwellers"!!

If my theory is right, we are already being shown hints of who/what is to come. One of them is probably really ticked that half his kingdom got obliterated by meddling outsiders....

Ya know, that is just the type of ambiguous tease that the MCU loves. A little something to get us thinking without backing themselves into any corners. Something they can choose to play off or ignore.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Ya know, that is just the type of ambiguous tease that the MCU loves. A little something to get us thinking without backing themselves into any corners. Something they can choose to play off or ignore.

Like how the little boy in Iron Man 2 was "always" Peter Parker?

[Leo656]

I don't like to predict things. I'll just say that the only thing I actually care about from Marvel is what they eventually do with the X-Men.

The series that's about to end was always a case of, "Decent-To-Great Action Movies, but terrible 'X-Men Movies'." They don't represent the characters or the universe properly at all. Everyone is "In Name Only", and they're terrified of costumes. I feel like the two "X-Men Legends" video games do a much better job of helping neophytes like myself understand the X-Men universe than any of the movies have. And, unlike the movies, they're not all mostly "Wolverine and These Other Guys".

The Marvel films sometimes have gone way, WAY off-base with how certain characters were portrayed versus how they're "supposed to be", but in other places they've skewed extremely faithful. I am curious to see their take on the X-Men material. We've seen a lot of things from Marvel and other studios ever since the first Spider-Man film, but we still haven't seen a "proper" X-Men movie, really. And although I barely care, I will say that I feel it's deserved, and would definitely be something to see.

I don't much care for Marvel movies, but a "proper" X-Men film would be something I would pay to see, just because it still hasn't been done. I want costumes, I want to see the characters and their motivations represented properly. I want everyone to be on the correct side - no "Mystique gets to be the Star and a Big Hero because Hunger Games was hot for 5 minutes". I'd like to see more than just Magneto as a villain.

I can't predict anything, but I know what I would like to eventually see. Unfortunately it sounds like it's a long way off.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like how the little boy in Iron Man 2 was "always" Peter Parker?

Really didn’t like that, but yes, sort of in that vein. That was was more of an awkward retrofit though.

Also, I think they had a line about “a guy who can crawl on walls” or something similar, before he appeared.