Scooby Doo: Return To Zombie Island

[ZariusTwo]

Premiers at San Diego Comiccon

World Premiere of Scooby-Doo! Return to Zombie Island

Sunday, July 21 – 10:15-11:45am

Pack your Scooby Snacks and join the Mystery Inc. gang as the teen sleuths embark on a wild and spooky vacation with zombies and cat people on Scooby-Doo! Return to Zombie Island, an all-new, original film. Be among the first live audience to see this follow-up to the classic, best-selling Scooby-Doo! film, Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, as this new animated adventure finds Scooby-Doo and his pals taking a much-deserved vacation to a tropical island. Instead of getting rest and relaxation, however, they find themselves wrapped up in one of their biggest mysteries yet! Produced by Warner Bros. Animation, the film arrives this fall from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment. 6BCF

I know Scooby Doo 'canon' is swiss cheese at this point, but hopefully this has the same tone of the first three or four revival movies with the more 'professional' adult versions of the Mystery Inc team.

I remember how big a deal Zombie Island was when it came out, reviving the franchise after a decade in oblivion and taking the gang into an X-Files like direction, I'd hate for this to be toned and dumbed down.

[ranger_scout]

I have a feeling that they might retcon the events of the previous film like they did with Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost, which served as a conclusion the TV series The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo. If anyone of you haven't seen it and would like to know what happens, here it is:

Spoiler:

The 13th and final ghost turned out to be a fake. Velma then told Vincent Van Ghoul that the 13th ghost had already gone to the afterlife because it had no unfinished business. She then said she was only doing that to be nice, The other 12 ghosts were all hallucinations according to her.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, I refuse to count that as the ending to 13 Ghosts

[Wildcat]

This is awesome. Zombie Island was one of the best Scooby movies.

[sdp]

Haven't seen the new 13th ghosts movies, *SPOILERS*

Spoiler:

so Velma implies the monsters were all fake? That doesn't mean they weren't real, just Velma thinks that because she wasn't there. Or maybe they were indeed fake which makes the original Zombie Island fit better in the timeline

I dunno, I kind of like that they are referencing these older Scooby adventures even if "messing up" the canon. Instead of generic DTV movies why not take some that enrich past shows. I'd love a A Pup Named SD movie, a Shaggy and Scooby Get a Clue movie, instead of the same old every time. And I'm guessing using the Zombie Island name means they are going for that nostalgic punch so maybe they won't mess it up.

Personally I hope in one of the movies we see the glorious return of Scrappy Doo. Fight me.

[Wildcat]

A Pup movie would be cool. Especially since it was such a short show.

Get a Clue would be interesting too. I don’t know how popular it is but I enjoyed it. I don’t remember much though. Just that the villain had a mechanical hand and lived in a blimp or airship.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

Haven't seen the new 13th ghosts movies, *SPOILERS*

Spoiler:

so Velma implies the monsters were all fake? That doesn't mean they weren't real, just Velma thinks that because she wasn't there. Or maybe they were indeed fake which makes the original Zombie Island fit better in the timeline

Spoiler:

13 Ghosts for me was the end of the original timeline, and Shaggy, Scoob, Flim Flam, Scrappy and Daphne are still out there trying to nab the slippery 13th ghost (and probably have also had time to carve out a nice family life for themselves). I think "A Pup.." effectively kicked off a second timeline that Zombie Island ultimately belongs to

[sdp]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

13 Ghosts for me was the end of the original timeline, and Shaggy, Scoob, Flim Flam, Scrappy and Daphne are still out there trying to nab the slippery 13th ghost (and probably have also had time to carve out a nice family life for themselves). I think "A Pup.." effectively kicked off a second timeline that Zombie Island ultimately belongs to

Well you're not entirely wrong, after 13th it's kind of when the original timeline ended. At the same time there wasn't much continuity and pretty much every Scooby show only counts the original show as canon.

A pup is an interesting one since it has plenty of 60s references meaning it could be seen as a prequel to the original show but also plenty of 90s references so it could be a new timeline that would line up with What's New.

The movies themselves are a problem because at first they seem like sequels to Zombie Island but later they incorporate ideas from What's New, but for that messes things up since What's New seems to have the gang younger so now it doesn't fit. Any show after that didn't really care about continuity either so it doesn't matter.

I just try to make sense of things even if no one cares.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

I just try to make sense of things even if no one cares.

I care, I admire the attempts at consolidating the shows, I just find it simpler to count the eras as part of a different timeline. Doctor Who fans are kind of in the same boat the longer that goes on.

[drgon78]

It would be nice if they did a Blu-Ray release of the first Zombie Island movie.

[ZariusTwo]

[newfan]

Just pre-ordered, out on the 9th here. The first one is likely the most watched of the animated SD movies in my household.

[Voltron]

I'm having a hard time with Shaggy's new VA. But I'll definitely give this a look. Zombie Island was a great movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Voltron

I'm having a hard time with Shaggy's new VA. But I'll definitely give this a look. Zombie Island was a great movie.

Ugh... same. What happened to the old one? I obviously don't mean the OG but I mean the one used for the newer stuff that does a better job.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Ugh... same. What happened to the old one? I obviously don't mean the OG but I mean the one used for the newer stuff that does a better job.

It depends on who you mean, I like Matthew Lillard, who has been doing the voice in recent years. Was it Scott Innes for some time before that? I think Billy West did the voice in the first Zombie Island.

[sdp]

Matthew Lillard is no longer shaggy? I Know he wouldn't be in the CG movie but not even in the animated shows/dtvs anymore? what a loss.

Do we know if this does deal with adult scooby gang from the original zombie island movie or is it the teenage roles we've seen before?

[JonesyKitty]

Originally Posted by sdp

Matthew Lillard is no longer shaggy? I Know he wouldn't be in the CG movie but not even in the animated shows/dtvs anymore? what a loss.

Do we know if this does deal with adult scooby gang from the original zombie island movie or is it the teenage roles we've seen before?

It's still Matthew Lillard, which I'm glad. I think he's a great Shaggy. And his voice fits the cartoon better than the live action version. I think that may just be because he has adjusted to it and gotten the voice down over the years since the movies.

As for the art style, it looks like the modern one-off movies, but I don't think they've specified whether or not it is the new teen versions or meant to be the adult versions in a different art style.

[ranger_scout]

I just watched the film and

Spoiler:

of course just like The Curse of the 13th Ghost, they decided to retcon everything and make the zombies fake. They are all part of a movie being made on the island. The tourist greeters and the ferryman then dress up like cat people to find the supposed treasure and try to scare everyone away. They did leave a slight little door open like the "real Chest of Demons" by having one mysterious creature unexplained but that's it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they decide to do the same to The Witch's Ghost and Alien Invaders.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I just watched the film and

Spoiler:

of course just like The Curse of the 13th Ghost, they decided to retcon everything and make the zombies fake. They are all part of a movie being made on the island. The tourist greeters and the ferryman then dress up like cat people to find the supposed treasure and try to scare everyone away. They did leave a slight little door open like the "real Chest of Demons" by having one mysterious creature unexplained but that's it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they decide to do the same to The Witch's Ghost and Alien Invaders.

wait so it retcons the original movie as those zombies being fake as well? Why are they on a crusade to retcon real monsters from scooby? Does it reference the original movie in any way?

I have a feeling the upcoming CG film will have real monsters hence why they're retconning these older movies into having no real monsters again.

[ZariusTwo]

From what I've been hearing, the current producers of the SD franchise are writers from the 70s series and they were never fans of any advances the earlier films and shows made. They didn't like Mystery Inc either.