Marvel's Phase 4

[sdp]

Phase 4 seems kind of boring, no big movies to get excited for and mostly tv shows which are also lowkey even if i'm sure they can be cool. I guess this cements the Netflix shows as non-canon though, maybe even Agents of Shield. Hell I guess that non-canon spiderman from Sony will be more canon now than the netflix shows. So weird how Disney hadled their netflix Marvel shows, by that time they knew they wanted to keep an eye on their heroes.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

I guess this cements the Netflix shows as non-canon though, maybe even Agents of Shield.

Why would you say that? Because AOS isn't there? It would hardly factor into "Phase 4"'s overall deal as much as it will be spending its time ending itself.

[Andrew NDB]

So hey, let's take a look at what's come out so far in "Phase 4" and where it might lead:

Wandavision: We know now it was basically just a Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness prologue, however that black lady is going to be one of the Marvels in "The Marvels" (formerly Captain Marvel 2). So it served those 2 purposes.

Falcon & the Winter Soldier: Obviously Captain America 4, which is already announced, with Falcon as Captain America and presumably Winter Soldier as supporting cast. I don't know what else. I don't think they were foreshadowing much with Zemo and he ended up right where he started. Sharon Carter/Skrull Sharon Carter will certainly be a part of "Secret Invasion."

Loki season 1: Loki season 2, of course, but also a light intro to Kang the Conqueror. Sort of. Who will show up in Ant-Man 3 and maybe other stuff, too.

Hawkeye: Clearly they have some kind of plan for Kate Bishop. Is it some form of Young Avengers, perhaps whatever team Valentina is cooking up.

Moon Knight: Eh, I don't know. I don't think this will end up being much of a hit and may not even get a season 2 so... maybe he'll just guest appear in this or that? Maybe when they need a heavy hitter in "Secret Invasion"?

Black Widow: This introduced Yelena, who's already shown up in Hawkeye and doubtlessly will go on to star in something on her own or otherwise. Since that Valentina chick decided to recruit her it's super likely she's going on at least end up on a team with US Agent from Falcon & the Winter Soldier.

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings: Hm. You know, it's hard to imagine beyond this introducing another giant CGI army that will show up to help fight some big threat later on. And of course Shang-Chi will show up to combat some threat when we're talking an Avengers-level deal happens again.

Eternals: A bomb, so all bets are off. Still, Black Knight is obviously going to feature in the Blade movie somehow. Also, I'm betting the death of that Celestial inside the Earth is the how/why of why Galactus suddenly makes a B-line for it. Probably this will either feature heavily in the Fantastic Four movie or will be one of the things foreshadowed in it.

Spider-Man: No Way Home: Depending on Sony's level of investment, possibly a sh** ton (Amazing Spider-Man 3? Raimi Spider-Man 4? Andrew Garfield Spider-Man in Venom?). Or maybe just Spider-Man 4 and Venom 3.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness: Yeesh. The further adventures of Captain 2 Moms, I guess, and her adventures through the multiverse to find those 2 moms. That's all I really see coming out of this. Nothing else, sadly. But presumably a Doctor Strange 3 will emerge. Maybe they can actually follow up on whatever that black dude was up to at the end of the first movie that's been forgotten about in this one.

It's easier to see where the Disney+ stuff is going than the movies. About all we know is that Valentina is building a team and feels an urgency to build a new team (in both the end of Black Widow and the end of Falcon & Winter Soldier) and we know "Secret Invasion" is coming, which was a crazy story in the comics where it turns out a ton of people have been replaced by Skrulls. Cue the battle royale.

[Sumac]

The problem I see here, no-one will care about TV series nobodies.