Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 40

~~Sumac~~ · 09-03-2019, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

Lucas himself said Disney didn't use his ideas for episode 7.

A lot of core concepts from 7 and 8 episodes were taking directly from early Lucas ideas: Rey was called Kira and she was a junker. Finn was called Sam / Skylar and he was white stormtrooper who crashed on Kira's planet and befriended her. There was a black character, who was more or less "teacher figure", he was supposed to die at the end of the Lucas's episode 7. Kira and Sam / Skylar met Han and at some point possibly explored ruins of Death Star 2 at Endor. The main villain was "Jedi killer", who could have been working for someone else and also could have been Ben Solo corrupted by twi'lek sith, based on Darth Talon.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-04-2019, 11:18 AM

From what I understand...

* Disney required Lucas (yes, not vice versa) to write synopses for Episodes VII-IX as a condition of the sale. Lucas did so.

* Michael Ardnt wrote a script for VII based on those synopses. Disney didn't like it.

* JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan write a new script for VII. SOME of the Ardnt stuff was retained, but it isn't clear how much.

I don't think/know if anything in Lucas' synopses for VIII & IX ever made it in anywhere. Sounds like just some of his VII stuff on a very basic level (Luke in solitude on some planet, a female Force sensitive seeks him out, etc.).

*sdp* · 09-23-2019, 11:19 PM

You know they know they messed up when Disney CEO Bob Iger says things like these:
On putting too many movies too quick:
"I just think that we might’ve put a little bit too much in the marketplace too fast. I think the storytelling capabilities of the company are endless because of the talent we have at the company, and the talent we have at the company is better than it’s ever been, in part because of the influx of people from Fox."

On George sending his outlines for the Sequel Trilogy:

At some point in the process, George told me that he had completed outlines for three new movies. He agreed to send us three copies of the outlines: one for me; one for Alan Braverman; and one for Alan Horn, who’d just been hired to run our studio. Alan Horn and I read George’s outlines and decided we needed to buy them, though we made clear in the purchase agreement that we would not be contractually obligated to adhere to the plot lines he’d laid out.
On George's new role of creative authority:

He knew that I was going to stand firm on the question of creative control, but it wasn’t an easy thing for him to accept. And so he reluctantly agreed to be available to consult with us at our request. I promised that we would be open to his ideas (this was not a hard promise to make; of course we would be open to George Lucas’s ideas), but like the outlines, we would be under no obligation.
On revealing to George they weren't following his plot outlines:

Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations.

The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded. I’d been so careful since our first conversation not to mislead him in any way, and I didn’t think I had now, but I could have handled it better. I should have prepared him for the meeting with J.J. and Michael and told him about our conversations, that we felt it was better to go in another direction. I could have talked through this with him and possibly avoided angering him by not surprising him. Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed, and while this whole process would never have been easy for him, we’d gotten off to an unnecessarily rocky start.

On George seeing the Force Awakens for the first time:

Just prior to the global release, Kathy screened The Force Awakens for George. He didn’t hide his disappointment. “There’s nothing new,” he said. In each of the films in the original trilogy, it was important to him to present new worlds, new stories, new characters, and new technologies. In this one, he said, “There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.” He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do. Looking back with the perspective of several years and a few more Star Wars films, I believe J.J. achieved the near-impossible, creating a perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...vement_in_the/

~~Vegita-San~~ · 09-23-2019, 11:59 PM

you can understand that they wanted to create something that reminded people OF Star wars.

but what they forgot was that you needed new to go with it.

That is where the Phantom Menace succeeded.

New Races. New planets. new designs. yet, we also got tatooine.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-03-2019, 06:56 AM

Official release of a poster leaked some months back

*neatoman* · 10-03-2019, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Official release of a poster leaked some months back

https://i.imgur.com/nSG0VeH.jpg

Red Clone Troopers?

*oldmanwinters* · 10-03-2019, 08:29 AM

Figured they'd put Leia on the poster.

*CyberCubed* · 10-03-2019, 09:38 AM

The knights of ren are there for all of 5 people who complained they weren’t in 8

*AT-Man* · 10-04-2019, 07:59 AM

Is the female Boba Fett really Rose, who saves Finn at some point, because it rhymes? Will the Knights of Ren do anything that matters? Will the alien person on the left be the actual funniest character in Star Wars history, after Jar Jar's massive failure?

A theory:

Spoiler:

*Andrew NDB* · 10-04-2019, 11:18 AM

Yay! A-Wings, X-Wings, and Y-Wings (and Y-Wings were considered OLD even in the OT)... 40 year-old starfighters. The New Republic really didn't make one new starfighter in 4 decades? Just those janky bombers we saw in Last Jedi?

And no R2 on the poster? #mistake

*CyberCubed* · 10-04-2019, 01:32 PM

Who is the new black woman and yellow alien on the poster? Didn’t Han have a black wife in the comics?

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-04-2019, 02:18 PM

I'm just here for the awesome character designs.

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-04-2019, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Who is the new black woman and yellow alien on the poster? Didn’t Han have a black wife in the comics?

No, Sana was just his partner in a scheme they were not married.

*Candy Kappa* · 10-04-2019, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AT-Man

Is the female Boba Fett really Rose, who saves Finn at some point, because it rhymes? Will the Knights of Ren do anything that matters? Will the alien person on the left be the actual funniest character in Star Wars history, after Jar Jar's massive failure?

A theory:

Spoiler:

Female Boba Fett..? You referring to Zorii Bliss?

*Andrew NDB* · 10-04-2019, 03:46 PM

We already had Intentional Female Boba Fett for 2 movies: Captain Phasma.

*Candy Kappa* · 10-04-2019, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

We already had Intentional Female Boba Fett for 2 movies: Captain Phasma.

True. Both look badass, but did barely anything and was disposed off in a anticlimactic way.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-06-2019, 08:17 PM

Rose Tico being removed from merchandise:

https://www.themarysue.com/where-is-rose/

~~Leo656~~ · 10-07-2019, 12:12 AM

From the article: "Even though Rose is a great character..."

She added nothing. Nothing! If anything she was one of the worst parts of that movie, and in a movie where literally everyone except Rey, Leia, and Laura Dern was a complete idiot, that's really saying something. In a film packed wall-to-wall with terrible characters, she was a standout. But not in a good way.

Purely from a merchandise perspective, I saw dozens and dozens of her action figures on Clearance for $5, for months. Stores couldn't give them away. Nobody cares about Rose.
You can't make people care just by saying you're racist if you don't care. That isn't how it works.

If they actually want the merchandise to sell, then keeping her off of it is in their best interests. She's poison. I'm sure the actress is a nice person in real life but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-07-2019, 01:29 AM

"How dare you say [insert name] is a terrible character that had no point even if you can quantifiably prove it, they are a POC!"

What a terrible time for film.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-07-2019, 01:37 AM

As I've said elsewhere, I've given up entirely on the future of movies and TV. It's dead. I'm only looking backwards from now on. And that's fine. There's still hundreds of great films I have yet to see from decades past. I've got enough to keep me busy forever as it is.

There's so many great films that simply wouldn't exist if they'd been made under the current standards. Which is further reinforced by how many of them have since been re-made - terribly - to better fall in line with the modern-day "Rules".

It's all a bad joke. The only movie I'm currently looking forward to is "Kong Vs. Godzilla", since that one probably isn't going to even try to be more than what it is. Everything else is sh*t. And that one's not gonna be "high art", either, but at least it's not gonna try and be all finger-wagging and "political" like everything else from now on. And I can appreciate that.

09-04-2019, 11:18 AM	#782
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,567	From what I understand... * Disney required Lucas (yes, not vice versa) to write synopses for Episodes VII-IX as a condition of the sale. Lucas did so. * Michael Ardnt wrote a script for VII based on those synopses. Disney didn't like it. * JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan write a new script for VII. SOME of the Ardnt stuff was retained, but it isn't clear how much. I don't think/know if anything in Lucas' synopses for VIII & IX ever made it in anywhere. Sounds like just some of his VII stuff on a very basic level (Luke in solitude on some planet, a female Force sensitive seeks him out, etc.). __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

09-23-2019, 11:19 PM	#783
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	You know they know they messed up when Disney CEO Bob Iger says things like these: On putting too many movies too quick: "I just think that we might’ve put a little bit too much in the marketplace too fast. I think the storytelling capabilities of the company are endless because of the talent we have at the company, and the talent we have at the company is better than it’s ever been, in part because of the influx of people from Fox." On George sending his outlines for the Sequel Trilogy: At some point in the process, George told me that he had completed outlines for three new movies. He agreed to send us three copies of the outlines: one for me; one for Alan Braverman; and one for Alan Horn, who’d just been hired to run our studio. Alan Horn and I read George’s outlines and decided we needed to buy them, though we made clear in the purchase agreement that we would not be contractually obligated to adhere to the plot lines he’d laid out. On George's new role of creative authority: He knew that I was going to stand firm on the question of creative control, but it wasn’t an easy thing for him to accept. And so he reluctantly agreed to be available to consult with us at our request. I promised that we would be open to his ideas (this was not a hard promise to make; of course we would be open to George Lucas’s ideas), but like the outlines, we would be under no obligation. On revealing to George they weren't following his plot outlines: Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations. The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded. I’d been so careful since our first conversation not to mislead him in any way, and I didn’t think I had now, but I could have handled it better. I should have prepared him for the meeting with J.J. and Michael and told him about our conversations, that we felt it was better to go in another direction. I could have talked through this with him and possibly avoided angering him by not surprising him. Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed, and while this whole process would never have been easy for him, we’d gotten off to an unnecessarily rocky start. On George seeing the Force Awakens for the first time: Just prior to the global release, Kathy screened The Force Awakens for George. He didn’t hide his disappointment. “There’s nothing new,” he said. In each of the films in the original trilogy, it was important to him to present new worlds, new stories, new characters, and new technologies. In this one, he said, “There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.” He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do. Looking back with the perspective of several years and a few more Star Wars films, I believe J.J. achieved the near-impossible, creating a perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come. https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...vement_in_the/ __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

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09-23-2019, 11:59 PM	#784
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	you can understand that they wanted to create something that reminded people OF Star wars. but what they forgot was that you needed new to go with it. That is where the Phantom Menace succeeded. New Races. New planets. new designs. yet, we also got tatooine.

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CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,885	The knights of ren are there for all of 5 people who complained they weren’t in 8

10-04-2019, 11:18 AM	#790
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,567	Yay! A-Wings, X-Wings, and Y-Wings (and Y-Wings were considered OLD even in the OT)... 40 year-old starfighters. The New Republic really didn't make one new starfighter in 4 decades? Just those janky bombers we saw in Last Jedi? And no R2 on the poster? #mistake __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 10-04-2019 at 01:37 PM.

10-04-2019, 01:32 PM	#791
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,885	Who is the new black woman and yellow alien on the poster? Didn’t Han have a black wife in the comics?

10-04-2019, 02:18 PM	#792
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I'm just here for the awesome character designs.

10-04-2019, 03:46 PM	#795
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,567	We already had Intentional Female Boba Fett for 2 movies: Captain Phasma. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-06-2019, 08:17 PM	#797
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,567	Rose Tico being removed from merchandise: https://www.themarysue.com/where-is-rose/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-07-2019, 12:12 AM	#798
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	From the article: "Even though Rose is a great character..." She added nothing. Nothing! If anything she was one of the worst parts of that movie, and in a movie where literally everyone except Rey, Leia, and Laura Dern was a complete idiot, that's really saying something. In a film packed wall-to-wall with terrible characters, she was a standout. But not in a good way. Purely from a merchandise perspective, I saw dozens and dozens of her action figures on Clearance for $5, for months. Stores couldn't give them away. Nobody cares about Rose. You can't make people care just by saying you're racist if you don't care. That isn't how it works. If they actually want the merchandise to sell, then keeping her off of it is in their best interests. She's poison. I'm sure the actress is a nice person in real life but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

10-07-2019, 01:29 AM	#799
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,567	"How dare you say [insert name] is a terrible character that had no point even if you can quantifiably prove it, they are a POC!" What a terrible time for film. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-07-2019, 01:37 AM	#800
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	As I've said elsewhere, I've given up entirely on the future of movies and TV. It's dead. I'm only looking backwards from now on. And that's fine. There's still hundreds of great films I have yet to see from decades past. I've got enough to keep me busy forever as it is. There's so many great films that simply wouldn't exist if they'd been made under the current standards. Which is further reinforced by how many of them have since been re-made - terribly - to better fall in line with the modern-day "Rules". It's all a bad joke. The only movie I'm currently looking forward to is "Kong Vs. Godzilla", since that one probably isn't going to even try to be more than what it is. Everything else is sh*t. And that one's not gonna be "high art", either, but at least it's not gonna try and be all finger-wagging and "political" like everything else from now on. And I can appreciate that.