James Cameron working on a new Terminator movie - Page 16

*newfan* · 10-21-2019, 10:28 AM

I didn't realise it was out a few days, certificate 15 too. I know they said R rated but I wondered if they'd end up going with PG-13/12 after all.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-21-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by newfan

I didn't realise it was out a few days, certificate 15 too. I know they said R rated but I wondered if they'd end up going with PG-13/12 after all.

UK release is October 25th, though there are preview screenings starting on the 23rd.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-21-2019, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

so a lot of the enthusiasm could just come from the buzz of a good time.

Usually that's the way those things go.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-22-2019, 08:34 PM

So...

Spoiler:

So it's all beginning to paint an unpleasant picture of the movie. All of the "strong women/weak men" stuff,

Spoiler:

, and the evil Terminator going into Border Patrol and murdering bunches of Border Patrol agents... yeah. It isn't even trying to be subtle.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-22-2019, 08:36 PM

Evil, you say?

~~Leo656~~ · 10-22-2019, 08:41 PM

I'm starting to really hate movies. Just in general.

Egon1982 · 10-22-2019, 09:29 PM

Who agrees T2 ended the franchise beautifully?

Linda has not aged well at all, she was a looker in her prime with Beauty and the Beast the series and T2.

*IMJ* · 10-22-2019, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Egon1982

Who agrees T2 ended the franchise beautifully?

Linda has not aged well at all, she was a looker in her prime with Beauty and the Beast the series and T2.

It's hard to disagree with any of this.

I actually liked Terminator 3, but I think that was for two primary reasons - first that (for me at least) T3 was released in a time frame that was the appropriate nostalgia period for the franchise; and second that I have always thought that Kristana Lokken was a goddess - especially in that movie, she was flawless. I've seen her at a Chicago Comic Con now and again as well and she's flawless in real life too. It's crazy. But now in this movie we get a genderless non-chick that, from this point forward, is going to ruin Blade Runner 2049 for me whenever I see it.

But, I also liked Terminator Salvation. All things considered I would've been okay with them advancing the Terminator story through that avenue of continuity.

I didn't see the last one with the Game of Thrones girl.

*oldmanwinters* · 10-22-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm starting to really hate movies. Just in general.

You should put that into your Forum Sig. I feel that way more and more each passing year.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-22-2019, 10:55 PM

3 is unfairly maligned, I say. I was happy to see things move past Sarah Conner (though a little sad they couldn't at least give her a Kyle-Reese-in-T2 sort of appearance... like flashbacks of her "saying goodbye" to John would have added a lot of weight to things) and adult John Connor face the coming of Judgment Day, and I was thrilled to actually see Judgment Day actually unfold. We even got 5 minutes of Arnold going evil again. If they'd continued into T4, T5, and T6 with that cast going deeper and deeper into the Future War, I think I'd have been really happy, too.

But they didn't. T4 was a harmless but useless and very PG-13 sidestory about a meaningless side character that contributes nothing to the canon. T5 was another PG-13 bloodless thing, flailing about in a million directions, unable to commit to one and with a cast that was never believable. I mean, pick any of them. I like that actor but the actor they picked for John looked nothing like any version of John. Kyle Reese's actor was ridiculous. And while if you squint a bit, Emilia Clarke might look a LITTLE like T1-era Sarah Connor, any time she opens her mouth the illusion is shattered. Like a little girl trying to imitate Mommy or something.

Spoiler:

*ZariusTwo* · 10-23-2019, 08:40 AM

Just came back from seeing it. It's...a thing that happened.

Spoiler:

It's quite a basic road movie for the duration, packed with action right from the get-go that doesn't really settle down for the next thirty five or so minutes. When it does have quiet moments, it's devoted to explaining why A connects to B, it offers Skynet a way to still be a part of potential future proceedings if they choose to go that route (we know Sarah has successfully hunted Terminators with 'Carl's help, but it's still not known how many were sent, and with 'Carl' now dead, she'll have no way of tracking any further)

I question the point of promoting Edward Furlong's return when he didn't even say anything, and seemed to have been brought back just to show off that fancy de-aging CGI for him , Linda, and Arnie. It was quite effective nevertheless, and Linda sells John's death as well as you can expect...but sadly there's not a lot of elaboration on her grief other than one splendid scene in the forest outside 'Carl's house, where she admits to Dani that she never took a photo of her son and now she can barely remember his face.

Dani was the weakest actress of the three main females, but she didn't annoy me, if anything Grace was the one who whined a little too much about trying to protect her, while Dani absorbs all the chaos around her, decides she won't run from it, and really follows Sarah's lead. the only time I got annoyed at Dani was when she was conflicted over removing Grace's power source and killing her.

If you're looking for any concrete information on Legion, you don't get it here, they're likely saving it for further movies (if this movie makes bank that is), here the gist of it is "they never learn" from Sarah when she learns it's yet another rogue A.I

Arnie is as reliable in the part as he usually is, not too many jokes this time, and they land when there is, such as talking about drapes.

Grace's flashbacks to how she came to be augmented probably could have moved up to the latter stages of the film I feel, rather than while she lay in bed recovering in the getaway hut

*oldmanwinters* · 10-23-2019, 09:39 AM

I liked the TV series.

At some point with this franchise, you just realize the future isn't worth saving.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-25-2019, 04:46 AM

*Andrew NDB* · 10-29-2019, 12:21 AM

The director hates the thumbs up from the T-800 in T2.

*Wildcat* · 10-29-2019, 01:05 AM

I don’t get that quote. Who’s talking about who? Link.

The thumbs up part made sense. John taught him a few human responses and since he was destroying himself it was like a sign of bonding. Like mission accomplished.

Never mind I looked it up.

*DarkFell* · 10-29-2019, 10:28 PM

The T-800 'thumbs up' could also mean "Good job. Your future is safe."

And, at the time the fate of mankind seemed likely to improve. Cyberdine Systems was destroyed. Both Terminators that were sent back, were destroyed. Even the remains from the first Terminator were destroyed.

Then, we got Terminator 3, 4, 5, and coming soon, Terminator 6.

*Andrew NDB* · 10-30-2019, 11:10 PM

Uh oh... big creative differences between Cameron and the director.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/ja...es-1202186192/

*Andrew NDB* · 11-01-2019, 06:42 PM

Now it's targeting an underwhelming opening:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/terminat...lming-opening/

*oldmanwinters* · 11-01-2019, 06:51 PM

Weird thing about this movie was that it seemed like everybody already saw it two weeks ago.

*neatoman* · 11-01-2019, 06:57 PM

Why do they keep making these movies anyway? Each new installment just gets worse than the last and the series more or less stopped turning a profit after the third one.

10-22-2019, 08:34 PM	#304
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	So... Spoiler: it's pretty well confirmed now that John -- as a kid -- dies in the opening 5 minutes of the movie. Just like that. So it's all beginning to paint an unpleasant picture of the movie. All of the "strong women/weak men" stuff, Spoiler: them literally killing the "white savior" right out of the gate , and the evil Terminator going into Border Patrol and murdering bunches of Border Patrol agents... yeah. It isn't even trying to be subtle. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-22-2019, 10:55 PM	#310
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	3 is unfairly maligned, I say. I was happy to see things move past Sarah Conner (though a little sad they couldn't at least give her a Kyle-Reese-in-T2 sort of appearance... like flashbacks of her "saying goodbye" to John would have added a lot of weight to things) and adult John Connor face the coming of Judgment Day, and I was thrilled to actually see Judgment Day actually unfold. We even got 5 minutes of Arnold going evil again. If they'd continued into T4, T5, and T6 with that cast going deeper and deeper into the Future War, I think I'd have been really happy, too. But they didn't. T4 was a harmless but useless and very PG-13 sidestory about a meaningless side character that contributes nothing to the canon. T5 was another PG-13 bloodless thing, flailing about in a million directions, unable to commit to one and with a cast that was never believable. I mean, pick any of them. I like that actor but the actor they picked for John looked nothing like any version of John. Kyle Reese's actor was ridiculous. And while if you squint a bit, Emilia Clarke might look a LITTLE like T1-era Sarah Connor, any time she opens her mouth the illusion is shattered. Like a little girl trying to imitate Mommy or something. Spoiler: __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 10-22-2019 at 11:17 PM.

10-23-2019, 08:40 AM	#311
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	Just came back from seeing it. It's...a thing that happened. Spoiler: It's quite a basic road movie for the duration, packed with action right from the get-go that doesn't really settle down for the next thirty five or so minutes. When it does have quiet moments, it's devoted to explaining why A connects to B, it offers Skynet a way to still be a part of potential future proceedings if they choose to go that route (we know Sarah has successfully hunted Terminators with 'Carl's help, but it's still not known how many were sent, and with 'Carl' now dead, she'll have no way of tracking any further) I question the point of promoting Edward Furlong's return when he didn't even say anything, and seemed to have been brought back just to show off that fancy de-aging CGI for him , Linda, and Arnie. It was quite effective nevertheless, and Linda sells John's death as well as you can expect...but sadly there's not a lot of elaboration on her grief other than one splendid scene in the forest outside 'Carl's house, where she admits to Dani that she never took a photo of her son and now she can barely remember his face. Dani was the weakest actress of the three main females, but she didn't annoy me, if anything Grace was the one who whined a little too much about trying to protect her, while Dani absorbs all the chaos around her, decides she won't run from it, and really follows Sarah's lead. the only time I got annoyed at Dani was when she was conflicted over removing Grace's power source and killing her. If you're looking for any concrete information on Legion, you don't get it here, they're likely saving it for further movies (if this movie makes bank that is), here the gist of it is "they never learn" from Sarah when she learns it's yet another rogue A.I Arnie is as reliable in the part as he usually is, not too many jokes this time, and they land when there is, such as talking about drapes. Grace's flashbacks to how she came to be augmented probably could have moved up to the latter stages of the film I feel, rather than while she lay in bed recovering in the getaway hut __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

10-23-2019, 09:39 AM	#312
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,508	I liked the TV series. At some point with this franchise, you just realize the future isn't worth saving. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

10-25-2019, 04:46 AM	#313
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	__________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

10-21-2019, 10:28 AM	#301
newfan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: UK Posts: 2,393	I didn't realise it was out a few days, certificate 15 too. I know they said R rated but I wondered if they'd end up going with PG-13/12 after all.

10-22-2019, 08:36 PM	#305
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Evil, you say?

10-22-2019, 08:41 PM	#306
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm starting to really hate movies. Just in general.

10-22-2019, 09:29 PM	#307
Egon1982 Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Planet Mars Posts: 367	Who agrees T2 ended the franchise beautifully? Linda has not aged well at all, she was a looker in her prime with Beauty and the Beast the series and T2.

10-29-2019, 12:21 AM	#314
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	The director hates the thumbs up from the T-800 in T2. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-29-2019, 01:05 AM	#315
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,516	I don’t get that quote. Who’s talking about who? Link. The thumbs up part made sense. John taught him a few human responses and since he was destroying himself it was like a sign of bonding. Like mission accomplished. Never mind I looked it up. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything. Last edited by Wildcat; 10-29-2019 at 01:11 AM.

10-29-2019, 10:28 PM	#316
DarkFell A Crusty Bob Fan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: At the current moment, on your screen. Posts: 2,008	The T-800 'thumbs up' could also mean "Good job. Your future is safe." And, at the time the fate of mankind seemed likely to improve. Cyberdine Systems was destroyed. Both Terminators that were sent back, were destroyed. Even the remains from the first Terminator were destroyed. Then, we got Terminator 3, 4, 5, and coming soon, Terminator 6.

10-30-2019, 11:10 PM	#317
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Uh oh... big creative differences between Cameron and the director. https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/ja...es-1202186192/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

11-01-2019, 06:42 PM	#318
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,574	Now it's targeting an underwhelming opening: http://www.darkhorizons.com/terminat...lming-opening/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

11-01-2019, 06:51 PM	#319
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,508	Weird thing about this movie was that it seemed like everybody already saw it two weeks ago. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!