Mona Lisa to appear on Issue #101 in IDW's TMNT - Page 2

corvus · 09-27-2019, 08:56 AM

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Yes, that is to be appreciated, for sure.

Now I'm actually back to reading a couple, like Immortal Hulk and Hickman's X-Men. Both are excellent books, I'm glad to follow monthly. I guess, for me, the craft, storytelling, and art of a Marvel comic have to be absolutely 10/10 to combat the sense of nothing being permanent. That's a tall order in some ways.

X-men has always been seemingly immune to that status quo crap probably cause it doesn't have a status quo. Whereas Spiderman is almost explicitly not allowed to grow as a character, and DC is even worse like why are Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still around? I think this is why i love tmnt and hellboy so much, there isnt a status quo or a floating timeline, characters grow and change, hell look at Hob.

*pferreira* · 10-10-2019, 09:49 AM

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X-men has always been seemingly immune to that status quo crap probably cause it doesn't have a status quo. Whereas Spiderman is almost explicitly not allowed to grow as a character, and DC is even worse like why are Hal Jordan and Barry Allen still around? I think this is why i love tmnt and hellboy so much, there isnt a status quo or a floating timeline, characters grow and change, hell look at Hob.

The Marvel and DC comics change but they are rebooted every five or so years. It's a way to keep everything fresh and exciting otherwise it at best feels tired and at worst ends up being one big continuity line. I'm not against that so much as my problem being the art in comics today looks boring and uninspiring.

corvus · 10-13-2019, 06:57 AM

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The Marvel and DC comics change but they are rebooted every five or so years. It's a way to keep everything fresh and exciting otherwise it at best feels tired and at worst ends up being one big continuity line. I'm not against that so much as my problem being the art in comics today looks boring and uninspiring.

Marvel has never rebooted their continuity. Unless it's been retconned its canon which is most stuff, so it's still cannot that Charles Xavier lusted after teenage Jean Grey and that Matt Murdock has had his identity exposed like five times. In some ways it's worse than rebooting, we're given awful in-universe explanations like what quesada did to spiderman

*neatoman* · 10-13-2019, 09:20 AM

And it's also kind of difficult to even call what DC does "Reboots". It's more like they make stories about the multiverse getting broken and repaired in a way that makes the continuity conveniently simplified. It's more everything still happened in canon, it's just that after such a story it's just that going from point A to point H (noteworthy story to noteworthy story) no longer require B, C, D, E, F and G (lesser stories with minor impact). H is now relabeled C and B-G are replaced by a new B (a story in which the necessary set-up for H/new C are grafted onto).

Zog The Magnificent · 10-13-2019, 03:33 PM

Yeah, that was always the most confusing thing about DC. The in-universe reboots that make you constantly question what actually counts reletive to the new story. That's one thing I love about TMNT. Every version is a new version that requires absoulutely no knowledge of any other version.

*pferreira* · 10-24-2019, 04:46 PM

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Marvel has never rebooted their continuity. Unless it's been retconned its canon which is most stuff, so it's still cannot that Charles Xavier lusted after teenage Jean Grey and that Matt Murdock has had his identity exposed like five times. In some ways it's worse than rebooting, we're given awful in-universe explanations like what quesada did to spiderman

Huh? Haven't they rebooted Spider-Man like five times already?

*neatoman* · 10-25-2019, 04:43 PM

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Huh? Haven't they rebooted Spider-Man like five times already?

No? Where did you get that idea? If you pick up the newest issue of Nick Spencers Spider-Man, the main character is indeed the same as Dan Slott's Spider-Man. Who in turn is the same character as Straczynski's, Mackie's, DeMatteis', Michilinie's, DeFalco's, Stern's, O'Neil's, Wolfman's, Wein's, Conway's and even Lee's Spider-Man. There are some resets to the status quo and retcons but the continuity is largely intact.

There are some alternate universe books and retellings but those don't really count as they haven't replaced the old continuity. USM might have lasted 11 years (if you don't count the parts with Miles) but it was published alongside the "real" Spider-Man books.

*pferreira* · 11-08-2019, 03:53 PM

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No? Where did you get that idea? If you pick up the newest issue of Nick Spencers Spider-Man, the main character is indeed the same as Dan Slott's Spider-Man. Who in turn is the same character as Straczynski's, Mackie's, DeMatteis', Michilinie's, DeFalco's, Stern's, O'Neil's, Wolfman's, Wein's, Conway's and even Lee's Spider-Man. There are some resets to the status quo and retcons but the continuity is largely intact.

I remember the last Spider-Man graphic novels I read were from like 2006 where Peter and Mary-Jane were married. I just keep hearing they reboot Spider-Man in the comics every eight years or so and start with him as a kid in school.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 11-08-2019, 04:06 PM

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I just keep hearing they reboot Spider-Man in the comics every eight years or so and start with him as a kid in school.

Not really. Not literally, anyway, and the Ultimate Universe doesn't count.

*pferreira* · 11-09-2019, 08:20 AM

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Not really. Not literally, anyway, and the Ultimate Universe doesn't count.

So that means Peter is still married to Mary Jane and is an adult?

~~ChosenOne~~ · 11-09-2019, 09:28 AM

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So that means Peter is still married to Mary Jane and is an adult?

It means he's still an adult but not married to Mary Jane, though the current run seems to be setting them up as a couple again and their chemistry has been great. 616 Peter has never been de-aged, but previous attempts to send him back to high school, in a way, have included him being hired as a teacher.

*CyberCubed* · 11-12-2019, 11:28 AM

I wish we saw Mona Lisa in issue 99. I looked at every panel but her design isn’t in those pages.

The Great Saiyaman · 11-16-2019, 03:05 PM

I can't wait to read the story.

*CyberCubed* · 11-16-2019, 03:57 PM

Mona Lisa probably won't have any connection with Raph this series since Alopex exists here. You can't give Raph two love interests.

*TigerClaw* · 11-16-2019, 04:23 PM

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Mona Lisa probably won't have any connection with Raph this series since Alopex exists here. You can't give Raph two love interests.

Maybe they can. But issue 101 is pairing Mona Lisa with Jennika.

~~Sumac~~ · 11-16-2019, 07:25 PM

Its year 2019 - they can support polyamory!!

On the other hand, maybe they won't - it is too normal.

*TigerClaw* · 11-16-2019, 08:16 PM

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Its year 2019 - they can support polyamory!!

On the other hand, maybe they won't - it is too normal.

I don't think Raph and Alopex displayed any romantic interest. Since they haven't been paired all the time.

They could pair this Mona Lisa with Raph to see what happens. We'll find out once #101 debuts. It will be interesting to see how the Turtles meet her.

*pferreira* · 11-27-2019, 02:38 PM

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It means he's still an adult but not married to Mary Jane, though the current run seems to be setting them up as a couple again and their chemistry has been great. 616 Peter has never been de-aged, but previous attempts to send him back to high school, in a way, have included him being hired as a teacher.

Like I said the last Spider-Man story I read was a trade paperback from 2004 or 2006 and Peter was married to MJ in that. I believe he was infected and died or something like that? Maybe I got confused because I read they were restarting the issue numbering again back to 1.

For Superman however I do know for a fact they reset the character back in the mid-80s. Not sure if Superman has been reset since then. Again I think the numbering has since gone back to 1.

~~ChosenOne~~ · 11-27-2019, 02:47 PM

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Like I said the last Spider-Man story I read was a trade paperback from 2004 or 2006 and Peter was married to MJ in that. I believe he was infected and died or something like that? Maybe I got confused because I read they were restarting the issue numbering again back to 1.

Sounds like "The Other" story arc. It's one thing to renumber, quite another to reboot completely. 616 Spider-Man has never been rebooted.

Cloudrunner · 11-27-2019, 05:06 PM

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I don't think Raph and Alopex displayed any romantic interest. Since they haven't been paired all the time.

I mean he did say he loved her, even if he was goaded into it by Angel.

11-16-2019, 03:05 PM	#33
The Great Saiyaman Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,090	I can't wait to read the story. __________________ "I reject your reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, "Mythbusters"

10-13-2019, 03:33 PM	#25
Zog The Magnificent Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 830	Yeah, that was always the most confusing thing about DC. The in-universe reboots that make you constantly question what actually counts reletive to the new story. That's one thing I love about TMNT. Every version is a new version that requires absoulutely no knowledge of any other version.

11-12-2019, 11:28 AM	#32
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I wish we saw Mona Lisa in issue 99. I looked at every panel but her design isn’t in those pages.

11-16-2019, 03:57 PM	#34
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Mona Lisa probably won't have any connection with Raph this series since Alopex exists here. You can't give Raph two love interests.

11-16-2019, 07:25 PM	#36
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	Its year 2019 - they can support polyamory!! On the other hand, maybe they won't - it is too normal.