Jennika Miniseries starts in February!

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by vicsavage

That's true, but I don't think you can point to Charlie's Angels box office failure as indicative of much of anything.

I think you could derive that it wasn't something people were excited to see. I think you could say that people just don't like watching unlikable actors.
i also think that suggesting that men weren't willing to be supportive, is the kind of spin reserved for war time propaganda, and shouldn't be used to float a movie that nobody wanted.

"What? The T&A franchise that has been subverted to exploit new wave feminists is NOT to your liking men? YOU BAD MAN!!!!"

Please.

[vicsavage]

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that I see Charlie's Angels bombing about as significant in any larger cultural context as Man From UNCLE bombing. Both were movies coasting on vague name recognition and no real unique selling point.

Female fronted action movies succeed and do so fairly regularly. Charlie's Angels didn't. That's about it.

By the way, I HAVE seen the movie and it sucked, so believe that I have no personal stake in this.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by vicsavage

I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that I see Charlie's Angels bombing about as significant in any larger cultural context as Man From UNCLE bombing. Both were movies coasting on vague name recognition and no real unique selling point.

Female fronted action movies succeed and do so fairly regularly. Charlie's Angels didn't. That's about it.

By the way, I HAVE seen the movie and it sucked, so believe that I have no personal stake in this.

The argument at large is that men are to blame for not showing up.

for example

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TommyT

The argument at large is that men are to blame for not showing up.

for example

Which is weird to me, as stated in the CA thread. Even if the director is somehow right and no men showed up, that means that the 8 million total it earned in its first weekend was just women. So if men matched the women and gave another 8 million... we're still only up to 16 million, against a 50 million dollar budget.

I mean, blame whatever you want. Blame the marketing, blame the release date... but men not showing up to a female actioner? C'mon. I love female actioners. "Anna" was awesome this year. Also, didn't Resident Evil have like 5 sequels? Underworld?

[Leo656]

Can't we just blame Kristen Stewart? She's terrible. The mob demands a convenient scapegoat!

Also, Jesus, they DID do a "Man From U.N.C.L.E." reboot, didn't they? Holy sh*t, I can't understand how such ignorant people get handed so much money to waste on these provably-stupid and doomed-to-failure ideas.

Pretty sure if nobody under age 35 remembers something, it's not a good idea to make a movie about it. Just seems to be the rule of thumb.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Can't we just blame Kristen Stewart? She's terrible. The mob demands a convenient scapegoat!

I liked her in "American Ultra," which I think is the only movie I've ever seen with her in it.

Also, Jesus, they DID do a "Man From U.N.C.L.E." reboot, didn't they? Holy sh*t, I can't understand how such ignorant people get handed so much money to waste on these provably-stupid and doomed-to-failure ideas.

Pretty similar to "Wild Wild West" once upon a time. Yikes. Or "The Lone Ranger" with Johnny Depp?

Just own the loss, you know?

[Leo656]

FYI: Never cite "Lone Ranger" to a Depp fanatic. They will insist beyond all reason that it's a brilliant piece of work and that Depp is this generation's Marlon Brando. My wife worships the guy; I have to hear, often and loudly, how misunderstood that movie is, and him by association. Drives me nuts.

People say really stupid sh*t in defense of people with pouty lips and high cheekbones, I find.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is weird to me, as stated in the CA thread. Even if the director is somehow right and no men showed up, that means that the 8 million total it earned in its first weekend was just women. So if men matched the women and gave another 8 million... we're still only up to 16 million, against a 50 million dollar budget.

I mean, blame whatever you want. Blame the marketing, blame the release date... but men not showing up to a female actioner? C'mon. I love female actioners. "Anna" was awesome this year. Also, didn't Resident Evil have like 5 sequels? Underworld?

But Anna was attractive. That is a big nono.
Ella Balinska is dead sexy, and i think could be a breakout star.

If pressed, I would have to say, It was EXACTLY Stewart that killed the film. Like, i get te angst and rebellion etc, but she has a quasi Miley Cyrus, go F yourself vibe in the whole movie, not that different than Brie Larson.

[Cloudrunner]

People have run out of good IPs to milk so they just grasp at straws and go for movies no one... well, not even "no one wanted"... more like "no one even thought of it in order to know they didn't want it."

[Nortock Diab]

Thank you Tom for this welcome clarification.

The future of TMNT post #100 sounds really interesting and I'm looking forward to reading it .

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Jennika miniseries, hmm? That seems interesting. I might pick up an issue or two, and see if I like it.

Personally, I have no problem with Jennika becoming a mutant ninja turtle. We've had a fifth girl turtle before, and Jennika's mutation was handled far better than Venus Di Milo's introduction was in next Mutation; and I still believe Venus's intro is what led to the backlash against her, and she wasn't that bad of a character. And Sophie's design for Jennika is amazing!

That being said, there are things I do not like about how the character has been handled in IDW so far; I feel she hasn't gotten enough development before mutation, Her big change happening in the middle of the biggest storyarc of the series felt out of place, and it should have been in a story focused on the change. And I think the the mutagen/Leo blood transfusion origin was a poorly executed origin story for her- it reminds me of another blood transfusion origin story for a super heroine. I think she should have been mutated by old Hob's mutagen bomb along with Mona Lisa and the others. And her name -Jennika- does kind of stick out compared to the other four. I wonder if she should eventually get a mutant nickname? .

All that said, I think the character has a lot of potential, and her story could go wither way. It just depends on how they handle her from here on out. I think should could be a good addition to the team, we'll just have to wait and see how they handle it.

[Utrommaniac]

I mean, the mutation could easily have also happened when Hob dropped the mutagen bomb; would have saved a lot of time. Just drop the confrontation with Karai entirely (or in its place, a whole fight scene between Jennika and Karai that eventually dissolves into a big ol' chase. Battle of the Foot Chunins!)

Then, with some excuse for it happening, Jennika would get in the crowd with the Stockman supporters and get caught in the mutation. Her transformation into a turtle would just be serendipitous ("OR IS IT???" says Splinter)

[Allio]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Did you get Peter's blessing? Just curious.

at this point Peter is more or less wiped his hands clean of the franchise. He does little things but he isn't like hands like like Stan Lee/George lucas

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by Allio

at this point Peter is more or less wiped his hands clean of the franchise. He does little things but he isn't like hands like like Stan Lee/George lucas

Not to mention getting Laird to approve of a female Turtle would be akin to getting Bill Watterson to sign off on merchandise and a cartoon show...

[funatic]

I think they went with the blood transfusion as a way to cement the family aspect. Now they’re “related” literally by blood. Makes it slightly more meaningful than another random mutation from the bomb. Not saying it was the best choice but I feel like that’s the angle they were going for.

[AquaParade]

Tom Waltz, I like that you come here to share behind the scenes and even debate with fans every once in a while. I'm not choosing any sides here, but I hope you'll stick around and that everyone can respectfully agree or disagree.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Not to mention getting Laird to approve of a female Turtle would be akin to getting Bill Watterson to sign off on merchandise and a cartoon show...

Exactly the point. If it’s a no, it’s a no.

I have spoken

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Exactly the point. If it’s a no, it’s a no.

I have spoken

Unlike Bill Watterson, who retained control of Calvin & Hobbes, Peter Laird doesn't get a say in what goes on in the franchise anymore outside of a very limited set of works. If it's a go, it's a go.

[Allio]

plus it isn't like it's only Peter's word. If Kevin gives his okay, I'm in. *Which i get Kevin was the YES man of the group, it's what helped balance out Peter*

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by funatic

I think they went with the blood transfusion as a way to cement the family aspect. Now they’re “related” literally by blood. Makes it slightly more meaningful than another random mutation from the bomb. Not saying it was the best choice but I feel like that’s the angle they were going for.

The blood transfusion also helps with her being a mutant turtle over anything else.