Does anyone else feel disillusioned with their fandom?

[Dejablue]

Having 2 different shows with 2 different tones running more or less at the same time. Would be interesting. But also expensive?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Having 2 different shows with 2 different tones running more or less at the same time. Would be interesting. But also expensive?

If for example there was an older live action series on Netflix you could still have Rise airing on Nick, two different things for different audiences.
With things like DC and Marvel characters there's a variety so far as movies, older shows and toons. Granted the last movies were PG-13 but that... didn't work out. I'm not even sure there will be the new movie they talked about at this point, seen as things seemed to go silent.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Dejablue

Having 2 different shows with 2 different tones running more or less at the same time. Would be interesting. But also expensive?

Would be interesting if tmnt cartoons got the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog/Satam treatment, going as far as having the same designs/voices for both shows.

[TommyT]

This fight boils down to "I want" vs "I do not want".

In another thread, a user pointed out that, some people, want a thing changed to suit them, because they are bored with what a thing is, much to the chagrin of life long fans. They argued that the life long fans often suffer, because in order to get new fans, you have to adapt a brand from what it was, to what it was not.

Let's use a food many people love, and wars have been fought over, namely, Chocolate.

Chocolate, if suddenly changed, and replaced with, oh let's say, diarrhea, might bother most people, while some, may actually enjoy the new taste, and others may even argue they don't really see much difference, after all, brown is brown, is brown, right?
Some may actually enjoy the contrarian position, giggling at the displeasure of everyone else.
But most people, the sane, well adjusted people, might yearn for chocolate to be chocolate again.
You might argue that change is inevitable, or that chocolate should taste like diarrhea.

Maybe you get hung up on the definition of it, building a straw man argument around the notion that diarrhea isn't a specific flavour at all, and therefore, a poor choice of descriptive.
better yet, you might get ANGRY that diarrhea is being put down, and cry to the powers that be, that people are saying bad things about diarrhea.
It's still not the way chocolate should taste, and everyone knows it, no matter what silly argument you use.

In the end, you will not have convinced anyone that diarrhea is the better taste for chocolate, all you'll have done, is turn people off chocolate.
Now nobody is buying chocolate, or at least, most people aren't. there's no real demand, and you've cost the world something they once loved.

The point is, diarrhea is out there, and there is plenty of it.

Leave Chocolate alone.

I hope my analogy wasn't too on the nose.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Only one small problem with your example though, is that Rise is not "replacing" any other version of tmnt, which are all still out there to enjoy.

So Rise may be Diarrhea for you and thats all cool, but no one's taking away your chocolate.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Only one small problem with your example though, is that Rise is not "replacing" any other version of tmnt, which are all still out there to enjoy.

So Rise may be Diarrhea for you and thats all cool, but no one's taking away your chocolate.

My analogy covered that EXACT argument, but I deleted it thinking it was too far.
No more chocolate remains as it was. the diarrhea flavour has seeped into all the chocolate available. We now have only the memory of chocolate.
There isn't a secret black market of old flavored chocolate. it's all just diarrhea.

But more straw men, please.

[CyberCubed]

Is this Super Goku?

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Is this Super Goku?

What? What does DBZ have to so with the argument?
This dude, papatroll, is actively pushing for childishness in TMNT.

I’m not entirely opposed to children having a show for them, but so far, its only been for them, and as Andrew said, there’s nothing for us. Why is it so complicated? April isn’t a little girl, she’s a grown woman. The turtles aren’t wacky magic wielding comedians, and Splinter sure as hell shouldn’t be a joke, a washed up actor. The hell is this garbage? A tickle fight with Shredder?

As a send up of TMNT, a parody of itself, sure. But this is obnoxious as a series. Its beyond I don’t like, it’s an imposter.

I get irreverent writing, And It’s clear that the last two episodes of the first season were a middle finger to people like me. Mocking us, but whats great is, that’s over. Cancelled. Bye bye. Done.
We put an end to this and it will be retconned and ignored.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TommyT

What? What does DBZ have to so with the argument?
This dude, papatroll, is actively pushing for childishness in TMNT.

I’m not entirely opposed to children having a show for them, but so far, its only been for them, and as Andrew said, there’s nothing for us. Why is it so complicated? April isn’t a little girl, she’s a grown woman. The turtles aren’t wacky magic wielding comedians, and Splinter sure as hell shouldn’t be a joke, a washed up actor. The hell is this garbage? A tickle fight with Shredder?

As a send up of TMNT, a parody of itself, sure. But this is obnoxious as a series. Its beyond I don’t like, it’s an imposter.

He's referring to some banned user named Super Goku that did whatever and got banned. I'm pretty sure in retrospect whatever he did was stupid and not worth banning over unless he actually meant actual harm to a fellow member.

I was probably not around during his time but I know he's wasn't well liked around here.

[TommyT]

Well, if they also argued for adult programming and got banned, that would be unfortunate.

I don’t have a problem with papatroll outside of the disingenuine posts. It reads like they are pushing people to get angry.

Others, I’ve noticed a few that seem to legitimately like Rise, and if you’re a kid, okay, it is aimed at you. I just don’t think the majority of fans of TMNT, are kids.

The problem is, we only ever get one blanket version of turtles at a time. One would hope that the new adds to the old, expanding it, not breaking it. Personally, I hate Andy’s art style. Its very childish. It’s not something I would seek out. I am a fan of a more classic dynamic feel. Papatroll hates that. We won’t agree. I also don’t think they are a real fan of TMNT. And that’s also okay, but in that case, maybe try to see what might be rubbing real fans the wrong way. Maybe you’ll appreciate why the changes are so jarring.

I think Star Wars has a better handle on the approach, in so far as there’s something for everyone. I don’t have to watch any of the animated stuff, or care, because the Mandelorian is available. That suits me, as imperfect as it is. But if all we had was some clone wars show, aimed at 5year olds, and that was it? Ouch.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by TommyT

What? What does DBZ have to so with the argument?
This dude, papatroll, is actively pushing for childishness in TMNT.

Guy I'm just one person who likes a show you don't, calm down.

Originally Posted by TommyT

As a send up of TMNT, a parody of itself, sure. But this is obnoxious as a series. Its beyond I don’t like, it’s an imposter

Imagine calling a show you don't like an imposter like how does that work.

Originally Posted by TommyT

And It’s clear that the last two episodes of the first season were a middle finger to people like me. Mocking us,

Originally Posted by TommyT

We put an end to this and it will be retconned and ignored.

Where is this we crap nobody is looking at TommytwobraincellsT and think to themselves "Well this guy doesn't like it therefore we should end it" Nick treated it badly like any of its new shows hence why its getting an axe and seeing the traction its getting on social media I doubt its going to be ignored.

Originally Posted by TommyT

I don’t have a problem with papatroll outside of the disingenuine posts. It reads like they are pushing people to get angry.

Dude don't try to misuse big words just because you want to look smart.

Originally Posted by TommyT

The problem is, we only ever get one blanket version of turtles at a time. One would hope that the new adds to the old, expanding it, not breaking it. Personally, I hate Andy’s art style. Its very childish. It’s not something I would seek out. I am a fan of a more classic dynamic feel. Papatroll hates that. We won’t agree. I also don’t think they are a real fan of TMNT. And that’s also okay, but in that case, maybe try to see what might be rubbing real fans the wrong way. Maybe you’ll appreciate why the changes are so jarring.

I been here for over 5 years, watched 3 of the animated series, read two vols of the Mirage comic and is keeping up with the IDW book, watched the 1990 and 2007 movie and brought the TMNT Platinum game(which was kinda repatative) but I'm not a true fan because I'm not a close minded fanboy who disregards others for their different opinions.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

TommytwobraincellsT .

Name calling. Sweet.
Yeah, the trolling ends now.

[snake]

I've never seen someone on this forum so adamantly hostile over a difference of opinion, especially in a franchise with multiple incarnations like TMNT. This isn't Star Wars. Rise isn't ruining any "canon" or past incarnations. Like you said, once it's done, it'll be done. Besides, it's not like it's hard to ignore it. No one talks about it here, and new episodes air sporadically.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by snake

I've never seen someone on this forum so adamantly hostile over a difference of opinion

[snake]

Originally Posted by Leo656

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Should've put the /s, lol.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Name calling. Sweet.
Yeah, the trolling ends now.

And you calling him papatroll wasn't? JFC you're so ****ing full of yourself it's almost hilarious.

Almost.

[TommyT]

All of the threads here have instances of this. @Leo656 argued the EXACT same argument about Batman just a few days ago in another thread. Another user has been going on and on about the DC reboots.
I'm not unique, @Papagreg has made like 10 posts trying to fight for their personalized definition of Cal arts.

@Candykappa.

He IS trolling. That isn't an insult, i'm calling them out for the thing they are actually doing. Are you implying I actually have two brain cells? You're insulting my intelligence? are insults allowed?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TommyT

. Are you implying I actually have two brain cells?

It's what I've gathered from all you insane true-fanisms, poop analogies and obsession with animation you don't like "cal-arts", and your weird April threads.

Originally Posted by TommyT

You're insulting my intelligence?

Me? I would never.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It's what I've gathered from all you insane true-fanisms, poop analogies and obsession with animation you don't like "cal-arts", and your weird April threads.
Me? I would never.

I appreciate that, man. Insinuating insults is really low.

What's weird about the April thread? Asking if April, as a female character, needs to be sexualized, is weird? having a conversation about characterization and gender roles is weird? You don't find gender norms worthy of discussion?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TommyT

All of the threads here have instances of this. @Leo656 argued the EXACT same argument about Batman just a few days ago in another thread.

Yeah, but I'm an institution around here, and also, nobody likes me.