Crisis on Infinite Earths (Arrowverse)

[MikeandRaph87]

They are not dead, but seeing the coming danger of The Anti-Monitor, right? Titans is ongoing which would support it. As much as I am in favor of a dead Jason Todd that would put Burt Ward's Dick Grayson in the same category. We only got 12 seconds of Burt. I guess I can understand Michael Rosenbaum's reaction to the offer. The legend of yesterday deserves better treatment.

[Autbot_Benz]

Man Seeing Kevin Conroy as Bruce in Crisis is so cool. After years of being the animated voice he gets to actually play him in real life.
Also Routh's Kingdom Come Superman is awesome.

[Leo656]

What are the odds, y'think, that they're gonna do a disc release of just the cross-over?

Independently all these shows are terrible, so I never know when they're on and we haven't bothered to DVR them, but I'm sure I'll want to check out just this "event" at some point for ha-has. I'm also not a thief, so don't suggest "just go online lolz". But I'd probably be willing to pay $20 or so if they put out a simple "Crisis Cross-Over" set.

I mean, they have to, right? They can't reasonably expect people to pick up the Season box sets of each individual show just to have all the parts of the cross-over. Remind me, what'd they do the last time they had one of these things?

It's like I'm mildly curious to see Routh, but literally everything else is between "Don't Care" and "REALLY Don'T Care" on my radar.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Leo656

What are the odds, y'think, that they're gonna do a disc release of just the cross-over?

Independently all these shows are terrible, so I never know when they're on and we haven't bothered to DVR them, but I'm sure I'll want to check out just this "event" at some point for ha-has. I'm also not a thief, so don't suggest "just go online lolz". But I'd probably be willing to pay $20 or so if they put out a simple "Crisis Cross-Over" set.

I mean, they have to, right? They can't reasonably expect people to pick up the Season box sets of each individual show just to have all the parts of the cross-over. Remind me, what'd they do the last time they had one of these things?

It's like I'm mildly curious to see Routh, but literally everything else is between "Don't Care" and "REALLY Don'T Care" on my radar.

no if its anything like Earth X they will put all crossover episodes on every Season of the current run of Flash Arrow Legends etc. If you wanna wait they will be on the CW website for streaming. I know Episode 1 is up. They usually add new episodes the day after they air. So Episode 2 should be up Tuesday and Episode 3 on wednesday

[Leo656]

Thanks, I figured it would be something like that, although you gotta figure a budget-priced "Crisis" disc would do well towards people who don't normally watch these shows.

Like, I don't care what's been going on with "Flash" since Season 2 so I'm less inclined to pick that up, even if Season ___ will have the entire Crisis cross-over on it. But I'd almost certainly pick up a disc that was specifically just the cross-over and nothing else, because I either hate/don't care about these shows.

I also prefer not to stream because our connection is spotty as hell, given we pretty much live by the woods. Physical media or nothing, for me.

Anyways, thanks.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And about the Batman 89 bit... am I the only one confused by the headline of that magazine? Batman killed the Joker in that universe 30 years ago. We saw it.

I think it should have been obvious from the jump with this project that the point was Nostalgia Fuzzies, not consistency.

I mean they have whatsisname from the cartoon show playing "Bruce Wayne" even though I probably look more like "Bruce Wayne" than he does (and I look nothing like Bruce Wayne). Kinda obvious what they're going for in the big picture. Nostalgia Fuzzies and 'Member Berries. "Making sense" is not a big priority.

I'm hearing good things about Routh, though. Wouldn't that just be f*cking bizarre if out of this whole deal, the biggest impact would be him getting another big-screen shot at Superman? I much prefer Cavill, but I wouldn't necessarily be upset. Not banking on it, but stranger things have happened. And Routh as Kingdom Come Superman is the one thing I've heard people consistently praise so far about this project.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Thanks, I figured it would be something like that, although you gotta figure a budget-priced "Crisis" disc would do well towards people who don't normally watch these shows.

Like, I don't care what's been going on with "Flash" since Season 2 so I'm less inclined to pick that up, even if Season ___ will have the entire Crisis cross-over on it. But I'd almost certainly pick up a disc that was specifically just the cross-over and nothing else, because I either hate/don't care about these shows.

I also prefer not to stream because our connection is spotty as hell, given we pretty much live by the woods. Physical media or nothing, for me.

Anyways, thanks.

here is Kingdom Come Superman Leo

[Leo656]

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks.

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks.

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".

Yeah... I was looking forward to this and I enjoyed last year's crossover even if not as much as the one before it. Seems like budgets and writing quality has taken a stark dive.

They're just throwing too much stuff out there too quickly in this for any of it to register or matter. Like the Phantom Wraiths or whatever in the first episode. If we don't even know what they are (are they corporeal? does smacking them really "kill" them? what are they?) then we don't care.

[ZariusTwo]

Isn't Marv Wolfman himself co-writing this event? It would explain the even cheesier stuff, guy's a product of his time (that said, that "Man and Superman" story he released this year after holding it back a decade was the best Superman story of 2019)

[CyberCubed]

Why did Tom Welling get so fat and out of shape? Smallville didn’t end that long ago, he looked so weird.

Kevin Conroy in live action was cool but I wish he played a normal older man Bruce Wayne. Maybe we’ll see him do more live action now since he’s old enough to play Bruce from Batman Beyond. We just need Terry.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah... I was looking forward to this and I enjoyed last year's crossover even if not as much as the one before it. Seems like budgets and writing quality has taken a stark dive.

They're just throwing too much stuff out there too quickly in this for any of it to register or matter. Like the Phantom Wraiths or whatever in the first episode. If we don't even know what they are (are they corporeal? does smacking them really "kill" them? what are they?) then we don't care.

That's about where I'm at so far. The best episode so far is Black Lightning....and it's not even technically part of the crossover.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Thanks.

Man... terrible dialogue, the dame they got for Lois is wretched, and "Welcome Back To 1993 Syndicated TV" with that CGI. Routh did the best he could with the material, and it's obvious that he's enjoying himself, but man... I really wish almost anyone but the CW was making these things. They might turn out actually, y'know, good.

And now we're back to debating whether or not Superman III happened within the "Returns" timeline thanks to that throw-away line by Routh at the end of that clip. Oy! Damn CW hacks.

Anyways, thanks. That clip pretty much confirms what I was afraid of and have been hearing: Routh good, everything else "Meh".

When Bat in the Sun is making better content than the official show, time to hang up them capes.

I've never really tried to watch an entire episode of this "verse".

It's like if the Asylum gave up sharks for superheroes. Pretending Routh is Reeve, is all kinds of wrong.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Jester

That's about where I'm at so far. The best episode so far is Black Lightning....and it's not even technically part of the crossover.

Black Lightning is always good. its a shame so many people don't watch it.

[AquaParade]

This sort of seems like the antithesis to what I want out of on-screen comicbook adaptions.
It looks like Endgame without the loveable characters, clever dialogue, and impressive spectacle.

- Ignorant non-viewer.

[Autbot_Benz]

well tonight Black Lightning meets the other characters and hopefully Earth 90 Flash has more than a 5 second cameo this time around.

[Vegita-San]

So, I saw the first one finally.

no reason for batwoman to be there.. yet.

No idea who half these characters are. girl in white suite that knows arrow. stargirl like character helping the monitor.
Alien Lizard at the start.
Argo? when did that become a thing in Live action?

Psychic guy called brainy?

It was all a little harder to follow than some of the earlier crossovers.

Also, it seems they traded old man superman in the comic for old man arrow from an alternate earth.

All in all, I guess it wasn't a bad first episode. but, it felt really really rushed.

Who was the character who said 'I hope you're watching big guy?' in bat universe 1?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

So, I saw the first one finally.

no reason for batwoman to be there.. yet.

No idea who half these characters are. girl in white suite that knows arrow. stargirl like character helping the monitor.


Who was the character who said 'I hope you're watching big guy?' in bat universe 1?

1. That girl in white suit is Captain Sara Lance she started as Oliver's Girlfriend than first black Canary in the first seasons of Arrow and than became a member of Legends of Tomorrow where she is currently captain of the waverider.
1.5 the person helping the moniter was Diggle's Wife Lyla.
2. that guy was Alexander Knox from 89 batman movie he was always trying to get a scoop on Batman no matter what and he had the hots for Vicki Vale.

you should have been watching all the Arrowverse shows since this is the huge pay off of them all. Its no wonder your confused.

[Vegita-San]

I don't have any problem with part 2. The ONLY things I didn't: The stupid Kane stuff. I don't mind a dark bruce wayne. that's entirely possible that his villains drove him mad over time. what I didn't like was the 'bat of the future' nonsense. They are trying best to prop this character up and it's failing miserably. you don't sacrifice one for another.



The gas poisened Daily Planet. It was a REALLY cheap way to have an excuse not to show his expanded staff. All they had to say was 'they retired and clark bought the place'.

Also, the Tom Welling stuff.....something emotional about that. he STILL does a great job at the role. and I wouldn't be surprised if it gives him the idea 'maybe I should come back somehow'.....and his scene did have great writing. I wish he said something along the lines of 'i'm using blue kryptonite to get rid of my powers'....rather than ditch them altogether. but, considering welling didn't want to be in the cape to start with.... it was a fitting end to that story.

All in all, it's not too bad so far. minus the totally useless kat kane character.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

The gas poisened Daily Planet. It was a REALLY cheap way to have an excuse not to show his expanded staff. All they had to say was 'they retired and clark bought the place'.

They're semi-adapting Kingdom Come. In that, we do learn that the Daily Planet was gassed by the Joker and Perry and Jimmy and Lois all died as a result. Only difference there was that Clark went into self-exile into a farm space station, not take over the Daily Planet.

And yeah... "whoops" on the Superman III reference.

Also, the Tom Welling stuff.....something emotional about that.

Played pretty flat to me. Mildly enjoyed him punching Lex, but that's all. How come they used the "Smallville" theme song in last year's event but don't use it here, now that they actually have Tom Welling?

This event is just turning out to be so spastic. Like there was a million writers in the writer's room and no one with a cohesive plan.

[MikeandRaph87]

So Burt Ward and Kevin Conroy had my interest in this project, but I was confused about who exactly Brandon Routh is supposed to be. Is he Superman Returns Superman who is also Christopher Reeve Superman or is he Kingdom Come Superman? Hard to think DC would want to crap on Superman and Superman II by having Joker kill the Daily Planet employment.