Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 57

*sdp* · 12-19-2019, 04:42 PM

Now that this **** is finished, I actually want to watch a movie with Finn/Poe/Ben/Rey in their own adventures, they succeeded in making them feel like characters for the most part like the original gang that could go on adventures. I think all 3 films could be edited into one 2 hour decent Episode VII that sets up the next two movies now that the empire is cleaned up for good, perhaps Palpatine like in the EU wanted to go against a force like the Yuuzhan Vong and boom you have episodes VIII and IX with some new ideas.

Of course in a perfect world I would've preferred the the Whills/midiclorian storyline that Lucas had planned. No matter how bad at least it would've told a story that wasn't recycled.

Since the ending of this film is pretty much:
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Spoiler:

Ranking still stands:
IV>VI>V>I>II>III>IX>VIII>VII

*Andrew NDB* · 12-19-2019, 05:02 PM

Things I think will bother me when I see it...

Spoiler:

*neatoman* · 12-19-2019, 05:03 PM

Alright, I've seen this movie now. It's trash, complete and utter dung. This kind of feels like a spoiler even though the movie starts out with it and thus barely qualifies as one but for the sake of not upsetting anyone:

Spoiler:

Tell me, do you honestly think a movie that literally starts off with a bunch of awful retcons has even the slightest chance of being half-way decent? The entire movie is like watching a train wreck cause other train wrecks, it's astonishing how bad this movie really is. Nothing about it works. It doesn't piss me off but it might actually be the worst written and edited movie in the franchise. There's a bunch of fake out deaths, pointless plot threads, full of retcons that would make a Marvel editor blush and just really bizarre turns.

Ever read a really ****** comic book storyline like the Clone Saga? Rise of Skywalker is kind of to Star Wars what the Clone Saga is to Spider-Man. A convoluted, retcon heavy mess of a story.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 12-19-2019, 07:19 PM

No interest in seeing the movie (i decided to read the entire plot on Wikipedia just so I never have to see it) after the disappointment of VII (saw it once in the Cinema and again on Blu Ray) and the travesty of VIII (which I only watched once on Blu Ray, and I'm never seeing it again)

I then went back to watch the other 6 films. The only one that disappointed was phantom Menace, but the rest I really enjoyed. Attack of the Clones even improved this time around.

Currently, ranking them would go like this:
V>IV>III>VI>II>I>VII>VIII

*IMJ* · 12-19-2019, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neatoman

Alright, I've seen this movie now. It's trash, complete and utter dung.

Did you buy a ticket to see it?

*Xav* · 12-19-2019, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Spoiler:

They actually already did that in a comics.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-ana...her-emperor/2/

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-19-2019, 08:05 PM

Spoiler:

*IMJ* · 12-19-2019, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Spoiler:

Are they related? It was my understanding that you are left believing that Rey is actually a Palpatine...

*Andrew NDB* · 12-19-2019, 08:37 PM

Yeah, no relation to Kylo.

*sdp* · 12-19-2019, 08:45 PM

The movie is worth watching, especially if you watched the horrible Ep7/8. It's a "we ****ed up, sorry, hope you like what we tried to do with what we got".

They still mess other things up but for the most part I think they got things right with the movie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMJ

Are they related? It was my understanding that you are left believing that Rey is actually a Palpatine...

In the comics Palpatine basically is the one who created Anakin by dark side shennanigans had schmi skywalker become pregnant so in a way they are related sort of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Things I think will bother me when I see it...

The comments I deleted are because those concerns are indeed legit, but for the other ones here are better answers:

Spoiler:

*Shark_Blade* · 12-19-2019, 09:00 PM

Audience gave Rise of Skywalker 89% rating on rottentomatoes
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...e_of_skywalker

*sdp* · 12-19-2019, 09:41 PM

Spoilers ahead

I still hate that the main reason Rey is a palpatine is so they could give us a "surprise" and "gotcha", but it would've just been better to have the predictable Rey is a skywalker answer. I mean they could've just swallowed their pride and done it.

Take this into account, Kylo Ren ended up being an almost exact rehash of darth vader in the end with a redemption before dying. They didn't care to swallow their pride and do the predictable thing there.

Also remember when TFA was about to come out and they kept saying "Kylo isn't a sith, the sith are no more" etc, only for they to do a complete 180 and now all this movie they talk about the sith, I think it's the only prequel reference.

The whole plot just feels like something out of the cartoons.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-19-2019, 09:54 PM

They even said, even Serkis himself, "No, Snoke is not part of the Sith." Oops! Would've been far more interesting to just tow the line with Snoke and reveal him as Darth Plagueis, who survived being assassinated by Palpatine, his pupil. Have him be the who made Anakin and made Rey.

Spoiler:

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-19-2019, 11:39 PM

Edit: nvm.....

~~Leo656~~ · 12-20-2019, 12:30 AM

Man, this sounds really bad.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2019, 01:09 AM

Sidenote... isn't it funny how overreactionary the whole trilogy has been?

7 is overreactionary to the prequels to a point where JJ was just made to do a 4 remake. 8 was overreactionary to 7 with everyone having complained (rightly) that it was a remake of 4 (so they let him do whatever). 9 is overreactionary to 8 because nobody liked 8 and it made no one care about Solo, so enter in the test audiences and 3 different versions and Kennedy keeping creative control.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2019, 01:15 AM

Yoda voice: "Mmm... ripped off, this was."

~~Leo656~~ · 12-20-2019, 01:34 AM

That's actually pretty funny.

You're alright, You.

*Xav* · 12-20-2019, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdp

Also remember when TFA was about to come out and they kept saying "Kylo isn't a sith, the sith are no more" etc, only for they to do a complete 180 and now all this movie they talk about the sith, I think it's the only prequel reference.

The Sith isn't a prequel reference, the term dates back as far as the rough draft for the original Star Wars.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-20-2019, 02:06 AM

Shesus... does this remind anyone of the final marketing of the last TMNT "film"? "Everything a fan wants! Bebop. Rocksteady. Krang. Pizza." Except the narrator here clearly doesn't even sound like he gives af.

12-19-2019, 04:42 PM	#1121
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Now that this ** is finished, I actually want to watch a movie with Finn/Poe/Ben/Rey in their own adventures, they succeeded in making them feel like characters for the most part like the original gang that could go on adventures. I think all 3 films could be edited into one 2 hour decent Episode VII that sets up the next two movies now that the empire is cleaned up for good, perhaps Palpatine like in the EU wanted to go against a force like the Yuuzhan Vong and boom you have episodes VIII and IX with some new ideas. Of course in a perfect world I would've preferred the the Whills/midiclorian storyline that Lucas had planned. No matter how bad at least it would've told a story that wasn't recycled. Since the ending of this film is pretty much: \ Spoiler: Return of the Jedi's ending done all over again but it doesn't feel like anything big was actually stopped unlike ROTJ since it's just a rehash Ranking still stands: IV>VI>V>I>II>III>IX>VIII>VII __________________ Trapt urself Page MiscRave!!! Click to join The Drome Discord server**

12-19-2019, 05:02 PM	#1122
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	Things I think will bother me when I see it... Spoiler: * The whole sequel trilogy and nobody new gets the Force except Rey, Kylo, and the random kid at the end of TLJ that's never seen again. Really, not one other character? * Just the same old starships. X-Wings, Y-Wings, Star Destroyers. Nothing has changed in 30 years. * Just the same two people half-heartedly lightsaber fighting each other twice in three movies. No other lightsaber fights of any kind. * Emperor Palpatine comes back to almost immediately die. No lightsaber fight. * No adequate explanation for why Rey has always been so powerful. No, "she's Palpatine's granddaughter" isn't good enough by itself. * No word on how the First Order funded/had the resources to build up a whole fleet that outnumbers the New Republic and Resistance fleet. Also no word on how Palpatine did the same thing with a second fleet. * No word on how Palpatine comes back to life. * Millennium Falcon still being chased into tight corridors it has to manuever through while shooting at TIE Fighters. This has been done over and over again. * The last movie of the saga and no Anakin, Obi-Wan or Yoda Force ghosts? wtf? Apparently in the movie, when you see Han talking to Kylo, that was a reshoot. Hayden Christiansen actually was originally there as Anakin, but it got yanked. * A seemingly inherent embarassment about the prequels. For everything JJ was talking about wanting to make 9 as the 9th chapter in a story, honoring everything in the prequels and OT, you wouldn't know it by the finished product. Like, wtf happened to Coruscant? How about solving the mystery of how Anakin was created? (they had the perfect chance to do so here) How is this bringing things full circle at all? Bringing back Palpatine to kill him again doesn't do anything. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-19-2019, 07:19 PM	#1124
Whatswiththeheadbands? The Weed of Crime Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Shadow's Sanctum Posts: 3,007	No interest in seeing the movie (i decided to read the entire plot on Wikipedia just so I never have to see it) after the disappointment of VII (saw it once in the Cinema and again on Blu Ray) and the travesty of VIII (which I only watched once on Blu Ray, and I'm never seeing it again) I then went back to watch the other 6 films. The only one that disappointed was phantom Menace, but the rest I really enjoyed. Attack of the Clones even improved this time around. Currently, ranking them would go like this: V>IV>III>VI>II>I>VII>VIII __________________ Who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? The Shadow knows...

12-19-2019, 08:05 PM	#1127
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Spoiler: Was anyone's theatre caught off guard by Ben kissing Rey? They are related and after the Leia kissing Luke to make Han jealous bit that was an odd choice. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

12-19-2019, 08:37 PM	#1129
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	Yeah, no relation to Kylo. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-19-2019, 09:00 PM	#1131
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Audience gave Rise of Skywalker 89% rating on rottentomatoes https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sta...e_of_skywalker

12-19-2019, 09:41 PM	#1132
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	Spoilers ahead I still hate that the main reason Rey is a palpatine is so they could give us a "surprise" and "gotcha", but it would've just been better to have the predictable Rey is a skywalker answer. I mean they could've just swallowed their pride and done it. Take this into account, Kylo Ren ended up being an almost exact rehash of darth vader in the end with a redemption before dying. They didn't care to swallow their pride and do the predictable thing there. Also remember when TFA was about to come out and they kept saying "Kylo isn't a sith, the sith are no more" etc, only for they to do a complete 180 and now all this movie they talk about the sith, I think it's the only prequel reference. The whole plot just feels like something out of the cartoons. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-19-2019, 09:54 PM	#1133
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	They even said, even Serkis himself, "No, Snoke is not part of the Sith." Oops! Would've been far more interesting to just tow the line with Snoke and reveal him as Darth Plagueis, who survived being assassinated by Palpatine, his pupil. Have him be the who made Anakin and made Rey. Spoiler: Though maybe Snoke still could be Plagueis. Perhaps after killing his mentor, Palpatine uses clones of him to "wear" so he can truly feel superior to him. Mostly things are sad because of Luke. All that struggle and no wife, no kids. Though I don't think they specifically ever said he didn't have a wife once, or kids out there... though if he did, you'd think he'd want to be protecting them and not just hanging with Porgs. And Kennedy seems obsessed with taking the Skywalkers off the board. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 12-19-2019 at 10:02 PM.

12-19-2019, 11:39 PM	#1134
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Edit: nvm.....

12-20-2019, 12:30 AM	#1135
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Man, this sounds really bad.

12-20-2019, 01:09 AM	#1136
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	Sidenote... isn't it funny how overreactionary the whole trilogy has been? 7 is overreactionary to the prequels to a point where JJ was just made to do a 4 remake. 8 was overreactionary to 7 with everyone having complained (rightly) that it was a remake of 4 (so they let him do whatever). 9 is overreactionary to 8 because nobody liked 8 and it made no one care about Solo, so enter in the test audiences and 3 different versions and Kennedy keeping creative control. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-20-2019, 01:15 AM	#1137
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	Yoda voice: "Mmm... ripped off, this was." __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-20-2019, 01:34 AM	#1138
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That's actually pretty funny. You're alright, You.

12-20-2019, 02:06 AM	#1140
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	Shesus... does this remind anyone of the final marketing of the last TMNT "film"? "Everything a fan wants! Bebop. Rocksteady. Krang. Pizza." Except the narrator here clearly doesn't even sound like he gives af. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]