Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 59

~~Leo656~~ · 12-20-2019, 12:47 PM

But would it deserve to be? Either way?

Again, I haven't seen it yet but discounting the soundtrack and visual effects and going simply by the plot, it sounds equally bad, just from another direction.

Sigh. F'n Mouse.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-20-2019, 12:55 PM

I feel like this franchise needs a Modern Spaceballs. Something to take the complete piss out of the whole conversation and get all sides laughing together again.

A comically large needle to pop the balloon and end the incessant helium hiss of fans in agony.

Just a gut feeling. I don't know **** about Star Wars. Spaceballs could be the "Coming out of Our Shells" tour for Star Wars fans, for all I know. Though I'm pretty sure that would actually be the Holiday Special.

*IMJ* · 12-20-2019, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

I feel like this franchise needs a Modern Spaceballs. Something to take the complete piss out of the whole conversation and get all sides laughing together again.

A comically large needle to pop the balloon and end the incessant helium hiss of fans in agony.

Just a gut feeling. I don't know **** about Star Wars. Spaceballs could be the "Coming out of Our Shells" tour for Star Wars fans, for all I know. Though I'm pretty sure that would actually be the Holiday Special.

They released two sequels to Spaceballs already. One was a Spaceballs animated series that was pretty good and the other was called "The Last Jedi" and it sucked.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-20-2019, 10:20 PM

So I'm confused. I keep reading stuff and it really just makes this thing seem like they wrote it over a weekend.

So the Ancient Sith Dagger points to the Death Star II wreckage... But the dagger is thousands of years old and Death Star II crashed, what, 20-30 years ago in-universe? Am I missing something? C'mon.

Also, I keep reading articles from The Usual Idiots bemoaning the fact that Rose Tico was pushed aside a'la Jar-Jar, "In response to the sexist racist geek fanboys on the Internet."

Ummm... In the case of BOTH characters, Rose and Jar-Jar, I'm preeeeeetty sure it had MORE to do with the fact that their action figures collected dust on store shelves for over a year, even after being marked down to $4.99 on Clearance. Nobody cares about Jar-Jar and nobody cares about Rose. Same reason, too: Terribly written, added nothing. Kids don't buy toys of stuff they hate.

Anecdotal, but also debunking the Sexist/Racist theory with regard to Rose, her figures were the ONLY ones that I personally saw peg-warming to that degree. At most stores, she was the only figure you could find, usually about 15-20 of them. Rey's toys sold, Finn's toys sold... Huh, must be a conspiracy.

Jesus, the plain obtuse idiocy of these people and their stubborn refusal to see things simply As They Are.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-21-2019, 02:33 AM

I don't know if it's said specifically how old the dagger is. But the way it's used, it could be that while the dagger is super old, the etchings into it that reveal the Death Star II stuff are newish. Like made by whatever that Sith cult character is that died in the giant snake tunnel probably.

Saw the movie. Man, that was a lot. A bit exhausting to watch, and I don't mean that in a good or bad way really. It's very, very busy with everybody running around from scene to scene and not much time to catch a breath. So many new characters. Some big missed opportunities and strange choices but I enjoyed it. It's far more consequential than TFA or TLJ, though all of this is coming too late to feel as meaningful as it should. Also way too many callbacks to the OT. I'm very, very tired of seeing the Millennium Falcon evading TIE Fighters in tight spaces. Each one of these new ones is just trying to redo the general beats of the OT, but going BIGGER. Luke trained with a lightsaber droid on a ship... Rey trains with a lightsaber droid while running through an obstacle course on a tightrope; there was an even bigger Death Star than the first one but now there is 10,000 Star Destroyers all with Death Star lasers, etc., etc.. I guess all I hoped for coming into this movie was at least a few good scenes and moments, and I got those. It was fun having Lando around again. C3PO finally matters again. Even Chewbacca got some nice use. R2 draws the definite short stick.

It's also sad how overreactionary 7, 8, and 9 have proven to be. 7 is overreactionary to the prequels to a point where JJ was just tasked to do a 4 remake. 8 was overreactionary to 7 with everyone complaining it was a remake of 4 (so they let Rian Johnson come in and just do whatever). 9 is overreactionary to 8 because nobody liked 8 and made no one care about Solo, so enter in the test audiences/test screenings and Kennedy keeping creative control. It's unfortunate.

My personal rankings nowadays: 4, 6, 5, 1, 3, 2, 9, 7, 8.

*Turo602* · 12-21-2019, 03:12 AM

Yeah, The Rise of Skywalker really feels like it's trying to speed through an Episode 8 we never got. Rey training, Finn and Poe having backgrounds, and Palpatine's sudden return, these are all things Episode 8 should have explored. But instead we got a bunch of nothing from Kathleen Kennedy's cuck. Even having the whole cast together was a good decision but the fact that it's happening in the last film is ridiculous. All these things made the characters more likeable, but it's all really too little too late.

I also absolutely hate the very little regard they have for the prequels. They're part of Star Wars whether people like it or not and they should have done more with it in this trilogy. I thought The Rise of Skywalker was supposed to bring all the trilogies together, yet we never got a single scene of a prequel cast member interacting with any of the original or sequel cast members, which would ultimately be what brings the entire series together.

This whole trilogy has just completely undermined the first 6 films while trying to capitalize on the nostalgia of the original 3, yet it misses all the opportunities to bring along meaningful conclusions to not just the old characters, but even theirs. Seriously, what the f*ck was the point of Kylo Ren, Finn, and Poe? Why does anyone care about these characters and what have they really contributed? Why is Anakin no longer a central figure? He was the chosen one yet Rey is the one who brings balance to the force? We had the rise and fall of Vader for 6 films, this sequel trilogy should have dealt with his redemption. Otherwise, this whole trilogy hasn't really justified its existence in any way.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-21-2019, 03:35 AM

The weirdest thing about this franchise is the retroactive love for the prequel trilogy. Those films are colossal trainwrecks. It's really hard for me to understand how people can find them more enjoyable than the new films.
I might get it though.

If it is just the fact that the prequels feel less market-tested, fine, I get that. But even with that on their side, the writing, acting, and visuals are so laughable that I found them to be enjoyable in a "I can't believe this happened" sort of way, upon rewatch.

The new films have impressive visuals, much better acting, dialogue. Flimsy story at times, but same with the prequels. Characters are a mixed bag in both as well.

Just my perspective. I sort of get it, because Star Wars is closely tied to George's initial vision, so for some people, I can see how it's all about getting the pure stuff, from the mind that created the universe, regardless of awful execution.

I was going to say that it sort or seems like preferring TMNT volume 4 to IDW.
Which I do.
Not sure if I think it's a completely fair comparison but maybe close enough.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-21-2019, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

The weirdest thing about this franchise is the retroactive love for the prequel trilogy. Those films are colossal trainwrecks. It's really hard for me to understand how people can find them more enjoyable than the new films.
I might get it though.

If it is just the fact that the prequels feel less market-tested, fine, I get that. But even with that on their side, the writing, acting, and visuals are so laughable that I found them to be enjoyable in a "I can't believe this happened" sort of way, upon rewatch.

The new films have impressive visuals, much better acting, dialogue. Flimsy story at times, but same with the prequels. Characters are a mixed bag in both as well.

Just my perspective. I sort of get it, because Star Wars is closely tied to George's initial vision, so for some people, I can see how it's all about getting the pure stuff, from the mind that created the universe, regardless of awful execution.

I was going to say that it sort or seems like preferring TMNT volume 4 to IDW.
Which I do.
Not sure if I think it's a completely fair comparison but maybe close enough.

The prequels have a fine story, but I agree, the execution is very sloppy...and they do have their fans, for them the prequels were their whole childhood just as the OT was ours , and let's not forget the expanded universe material like The Clone Wars really helped to flesh out that era and course correct a couple of it's own mistakes and squandered opportunities.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-21-2019, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

The weirdest thing about this franchise is the retroactive love for the prequel trilogy.

The sequel trilogy is bringing about new appreciation for the PT's trying out new ideas and not just copying and en-biggenning (let's make that a word) the OT, however arguably flawed they may or may not have been.

It's as simple as that. We need new sh*t.

*IMJ* · 12-21-2019, 10:37 AM

I think what's important here is that we learned from the Rise of Skywalker that evil - even Galactic evil, can be defeated by making an "X".

Take this deep Hollywood wisdom with you through your life - when you run into evil, or when Rian Johnson calls you a racist, or Kathleen Kennedy calls you a misogynist, just make an "X" and you can defeat them.

*Xav* · 12-21-2019, 03:08 PM

Alleged Lucasfilm Insider on TROS production

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspe...os_production/

*Shark_Blade* · 12-21-2019, 03:22 PM

Reylo lips kiss was not intended as romantic kiss, more like siblings kiss akin to Luke and Leia’s kiss. JJ Abrams explains in vid:

https://twitter.com/rizeofkylo/statu...828158976?s=21

It’s still incest tbh what the actual ****

*Turo602* · 12-21-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Reylo lips kiss was not intended as romantic kiss, more like siblings kiss akin to Luke and Leia’s kiss. JJ Abrams explains in vid:

https://twitter.com/rizeofkylo/statu...828158976?s=21

It’s still incest tbh what the actual ****

Siblings kiss? WTF? Who the f*ck kisses their siblings?

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-21-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Reylo lips kiss was not intended as romantic kiss, more like siblings kiss akin to Luke and Leia’s kiss. JJ Abrams explains in vid:

https://twitter.com/rizeofkylo/statu...828158976?s=21

It’s still incest tbh what the actual ****

That was my biggest gripe with the film after processing it. Where did the kiss come from? I would not lip lock my sister figure, hug sure, but kiss? Its like step cousins kissing. Maybe not related but related in a way and I don't care for the creative decision even now knowing it was not romantic.

A lot of the film seemed to be damage control from The Last Jedi and Carrie Fisher's death. That is where my other gripe comes in, I wanted Luke to live ( well, at least until 9's climax) and to create satisfaction with the fandom and portrayer why not let Luke be able to step in and out of the force? Life force donating as a power...okay. But life force fades from holding a projection? If Palpatine can live when he died...which brings me to...

No explanation with Palatine's survival. This will likely be dealt with later on in one form or another. Does it negate Anakin's sacrifice? If this was a perfected clone carrying on the original's work perhaps so. If Snoke is a lab creation instead of a giant humanoid species then why can't Episode'9's Palatine be the perfected clone which would preserve Episode 6's climax and allow for the sequel trilogy at the same time. We will have to see what is done with it though.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-21-2019, 03:56 PM

I wonder, how Rat will spin the failure of TROS?

Right now it is obvious they didn't pay shill and influencers to save the movie from being ripped apart by critics and fans. And it seems there is no push back to call people who don't like this movie "bigots, racists and sexists". At least not yet.

IMO, it means Disney knew it will be a failure and decided to sacrifice Episode 9, which means Kennedy would be ousted quite soon (which is a good thing, because, making **** from the biggest media franchise in the world is a rare talent). I don't think Disney will kick her out, because, it won't look "progressive", but she certainly won't be able to make any decisions from now on.

Also, it most likely mean that JJ and Cryman Johnson won't be allowed anywhere near Star Wars. Which is also a good thing. I'd hope JJ will suffer a major setback in his carrier, but given that pretty much everyone knew TROS will be a failure I think it won't impact him very much. Like, in this case he was just a driver who attempted to guide truck to the collision as careful as possible.

On a separate note, JJ now is a unique director who had a rare opportunity to take part in tanking two massive space franchises: Star Trek and Star Wars. To complete the trinity he should be assigned to the remake of the StarGate!
Just joking.

*CyberCubed* · 12-21-2019, 05:04 PM

Just got back from seeing it, some positives and negatives:

+ I liked that the new trio finally got an adventure together. This movie did a pretty good job of making Rey, Finn and Poe seem like close friends, it's a damn shame they waited till the last movie of the trilogy to actually do this.

+ Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2D2 and Lando all were handled fine. I thought they killed Chewbacca at first and I would have been pissed, but I'm glad they didn't. Also Chewy finally got a medal at the end of the movie after being robbed for decades at the end of the original movie!

+ Kylo Ren is still one of the best characters of this trilogy, he went from angry/rage inducing Vader fanboy to a somewhat sympathetic character at the end. The Kylo/Rey romance felt like it could have worked, but I'm glad it was tragic than if she survived.

+ The action set-pieces were good, especially Rey vs. Kylo in their lightsaber battle on the wreck in the waves

+ They did the best they could with Leia given the circumstances. Also like the flashback that she trained as a Jedi.

+ Palpatine was fine, I don't like how we really don't know how he survived (no I don't care if comics or books explain it), but it was alright.

Now the negatives:

- Too many damn new pointless characters. We already saw this problem with the orange alien lady (who did nothing in this film), and Rose (who basically did nothing in this film), from the first two movies. Now we have a new black lady and the other woman Poe knew that I don't even remember their names. LMAO, and now the new droid sidekick has its own smaller droid sidekick. LOL, why add even MORE characters when they have trouble handling the main cast?

- The new villains all continually went out as lame as I thought they would. The Knights of Ren were the jobbers I knew they would be, but I did like that Kylo Ren killed them instead of Rey. Hux was pointless the whole trilogy although the spy aspect was somewhat interesting. The new general felt like a Tarkin expie but lamer. Also what the hell is the point of the Red Storm Troopers? They got even less screentime in the film I thought they would. And then we all know the female silver Storm Trooper whose name I forgot and Snoke went out like they were nothing too. Dear god, almost every new villain completely sucked this entire trilogy. I laughed every single time one of them died.

- The first half of the movie felt like a fetch quest from a videogame, I have no idea why they always do this. It was the same thing as TLJ's Casino subplot, do we really need to see them waste valuable screentime out of a only 2 hour movie just going to random planets looking for stuff?

- Kylo repairing his mask was pointless and idiotic, like J.J. wanted to stick it to Rian. But the whole mask was so stupid to begin with and made Kylo hard to understand when he spoke. Thank god he didn't wear it for the last half of the movie.

- Don't really like how Palpatine was finished off. Rey just easily blocks his lightning with two sabers after hearing Jedi and he's done for....meh.

- Final battle was VERY rushed. The whole fight against all those Star Destroyers just wasn't believeable and went by too fast.

Besides that things I'm indifferent about is Rey being a Palpatine, yes it sounds fanfiction as hell but overall I don't really care. Her declaring herself a Skywalker at the end made even less sense though, the entire Skywalker line is dead.

Overall it's a mixed bag, but it handled stuff better than I thought it would. Very surprised to see Harrison Ford again, I did not expect him to ever come back for another movie as brief as his scene was.

*IMJ* · 12-21-2019, 05:40 PM

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Right now it is obvious they didn't pay shill and influencers to save the movie from being ripped apart by critics and fans

To any critical thinkers here, I would say to consider this, even if only for a minute....

Consider a film's marketing budget and the current RT fan score and how many ratings popped up as of yesterday. Now consider that huge marketing budget against the fact that Disney could buy out only 30 seats at early afternoon showings at as many theaters as ssayyyyy.... even only $60,000 could buy them. Think about how many shill reviews that converts into from their marketing department. Rotten Tomatoes is a gigantic industry lie.

Now consider the "critics". Many of those critics took what was basically a political messaging position on TLJ. This movie disregards TLJ. So by proxy they "have to" support their initial review for "integrity" and trash this one. "Have to" as a function of being certain kinds of people.

*sdp* · 12-21-2019, 06:12 PM

Yup, pretty much agree with Andrew and Cubed and glad they're opinions are pretty much the same as mine, it seems most people want to just hate the film when it's rather ok for the most part. Just a clean up the mess kinda movie.

As far as the prequels being more liked now I think it's two things, one people saw that at least they tried something new, nostalgia but especially nostalgia for those kids who grew up with the movies and are now adults and never hated them. I personally never hated the prequels except 3. The prequels fail at trying something new, the sequel trilogy fails at doing the same thing.

The sequel trilogy could've been so much better, it had great ideas, phasma, kylo, rey, finn, bb8 all had so much potential, but they were all wasted away. TLJ only succeeded in making Kylo a cool character, TFA succeeded with BB8 and perhaps finn for a bit, finn should've become and grown into someone in TLJ. ROS succeeds in getting us to care about certain characters like the trio finally working together, Hell Leia as a Jedi was amazing. But it was wasted away.

Can we agree that Colin Trevorrow could've made a better film than Johnson and a better final film than JJ?

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Besides that things I'm indifferent about is Rey being a Palpatine, yes it sounds fanfiction as hell but overall I don't really care. Her declaring herself a Skywalker at the end made even less sense though, the entire Skywalker line is dead.

Well JJ did mention that Rey/Kylo's kiss was like a siblings kiss, that's what their relationship is. And if Palatine did impregnate Schmi in a way even if it's not meant to be taken that way, we can do enough mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that since both Kylo and Rey are the offspring of Palpatine in a way then they're both Skywalkers as well.

*CyberCubed* · 12-21-2019, 06:34 PM

Rey and Kylo have no relation at all, I don't know why people keep bringing up the sibling thing. Kylo is the son of Han and Leia, Rey's parents were shown in the flashback and she is the grandaughter of Palpatine. And no I don't think Palpatine impregnated Anakin's mother through force powers, no matter what comic says so.

Let's discuss the new villains of this trilogy, which they dropped the ball with entirely besides Kylo Ren:

- Captain Phasma. Does nothing in two movies, just a shiny Storm Trooper.
- Snoke, does nothing but sit on a chair and be killed off, good thing he was retconed as just a Palpatine puppet/clone or whatever he was. Best thing Rian Johnson did was kill him off, I fear what J.J. would have done with Snoke otherwise trying to pass him off as interesting.
- Hux. Kinda a pointless character, I disliked him in all 3 films and he added little.
- Knights of Ren. LMAO, they got 10 seconds of screentime in TFA, were absent in TLJ, and basically only appear in this film for Kylo Ren to quickly kill them off. The definition of useless jobbers like I knew they would be.
- Red Storm Troopers. LOL, I can't believe the marketing material and posters tried to make a big deal out of this, they got far less screentime in the movie I could have ever imagined. I think they have maybe 30 seconds of on-air screentime between shots.
- The new older general in this movie (forgot his name), pretty much just a Tarkin stand-in.

I think the big problem with this trilogy is they weren't able to come up with a single good memorable new villain besides Kylo Ren. When I was a a kid/early teen I at least like Darth Maul, Grievuous, from the prequels even if they just looked cool. Can't imagine any kid these days wanting a toy of these guys, but maybe silver storm trooper and red storm trooper sell these days.

*IMJ* · 12-21-2019, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Rey and Kylo have no relation at all, I don't know why people keep bringing up the sibling thing. Kylo is the son of Han and Leia, Rey's parents were shown in the flashback and she is the grandaughter of Palpatine. And no I don't think Palpatine impregnated Anakin's mother through force powers, no matter what comic says so.

Let's discuss the new villains of this trilogy, which they dropped the ball with entirely besides Kylo Ren:

- Captain Phasma. Does nothing in two movies, just a shiny Storm Trooper.
- Snoke, does nothing but sit on a chair and be killed off, good thing he was retconed as just a Palpatine puppet/clone or whatever he was. Best thing Rian Johnson did was kill him off, I fear what J.J. would have done with Snoke otherwise trying to pass him off as interesting.
- Hux. Kinda a pointless character, I disliked him in all 3 films and he added little.
- Knights of Ren. LMAO, they got 10 seconds of screentime in TFA, were absent in TLJ, and basically only appear in this film for Kylo Ren to quickly kill them off. The definition of useless jobbers like I knew they would be.
- Red Storm Troopers. LOL, I can't believe the marketing material and posters tried to make a big deal out of this, they got far less screentime in the movie I could have ever imagined. I think they have maybe 30 seconds of on-air screentime between shots.
- The new older general in this movie (forgot his name), pretty much just a Tarkin stand-in.

I think the big problem with this trilogy is they weren't able to come up with a single good memorable new villain besides Kylo Ren. When I was a a kid/early teen I at least like Darth Maul, Grievuous, from the prequels even if they just looked cool. Can't imagine any kid these days wanting a toy of these guys, but maybe silver storm trooper and red storm trooper sell these days.

People struggle with the "Palpatine created Anakin" thing in relation to the Kylo/Rey relationship.

I agree with you regarding the villains, but not that they weren't memorable. More like that almost all of those issues are a product of The Last Jedi killing the payoff, heading and momentum of the trilogy story.

Someone above said something like TROS was a movie to clean up the mess. That's pretty accurate. This trilogy is a mess and TROS suffered for it and tried to fix it.

12-20-2019, 10:20 PM	#1164
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	So I'm confused. I keep reading stuff and it really just makes this thing seem like they wrote it over a weekend. So the Ancient Sith Dagger points to the Death Star II wreckage... But the dagger is thousands of years old and Death Star II crashed, what, 20-30 years ago in-universe? Am I missing something? C'mon. Also, I keep reading articles from The Usual Idiots bemoaning the fact that Rose Tico was pushed aside a'la Jar-Jar, "In response to the sexist racist geek fanboys on the Internet." Ummm... In the case of BOTH characters, Rose and Jar-Jar, I'm preeeeeetty sure it had MORE to do with the fact that their action figures collected dust on store shelves for over a year, even after being marked down to $4.99 on Clearance. Nobody cares about Jar-Jar and nobody cares about Rose. Same reason, too: Terribly written, added nothing. Kids don't buy toys of stuff they hate. Anecdotal, but also debunking the Sexist/Racist theory with regard to Rose, her figures were the ONLY ones that I personally saw peg-warming to that degree. At most stores, she was the only figure you could find, usually about 15-20 of them. Rey's toys sold, Finn's toys sold... Huh, must be a conspiracy. Jesus, the plain obtuse idiocy of these people and their stubborn refusal to see things simply As They Are. Last edited by Leo656; 12-20-2019 at 10:35 PM.

12-21-2019, 02:33 AM	#1165
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,565	I don't know if it's said specifically how old the dagger is. But the way it's used, it could be that while the dagger is super old, the etchings into it that reveal the Death Star II stuff are newish. Like made by whatever that Sith cult character is that died in the giant snake tunnel probably. Saw the movie. Man, that was a lot. A bit exhausting to watch, and I don't mean that in a good or bad way really. It's very, very busy with everybody running around from scene to scene and not much time to catch a breath. So many new characters. Some big missed opportunities and strange choices but I enjoyed it. It's far more consequential than TFA or TLJ, though all of this is coming too late to feel as meaningful as it should. Also way too many callbacks to the OT. I'm very, very tired of seeing the Millennium Falcon evading TIE Fighters in tight spaces. Each one of these new ones is just trying to redo the general beats of the OT, but going BIGGER. Luke trained with a lightsaber droid on a ship... Rey trains with a lightsaber droid while running through an obstacle course on a tightrope; there was an even bigger Death Star than the first one but now there is 10,000 Star Destroyers all with Death Star lasers, etc., etc.. I guess all I hoped for coming into this movie was at least a few good scenes and moments, and I got those. It was fun having Lando around again. C3PO finally matters again. Even Chewbacca got some nice use. R2 draws the definite short stick. It's also sad how overreactionary 7, 8, and 9 have proven to be. 7 is overreactionary to the prequels to a point where JJ was just tasked to do a 4 remake. 8 was overreactionary to 7 with everyone complaining it was a remake of 4 (so they let Rian Johnson come in and just do whatever). 9 is overreactionary to 8 because nobody liked 8 and made no one care about Solo, so enter in the test audiences/test screenings and Kennedy keeping creative control. It's unfortunate. My personal rankings nowadays: 4, 6, 5, 1, 3, 2, 9, 7, 8. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 12-21-2019 at 03:10 AM.

12-21-2019, 03:12 AM	#1166
Turo602 The King of Kings Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 2,931	Yeah, The Rise of Skywalker really feels like it's trying to speed through an Episode 8 we never got. Rey training, Finn and Poe having backgrounds, and Palpatine's sudden return, these are all things Episode 8 should have explored. But instead we got a bunch of nothing from Kathleen Kennedy's cuck. Even having the whole cast together was a good decision but the fact that it's happening in the last film is ridiculous. All these things made the characters more likeable, but it's all really too little too late. I also absolutely hate the very little regard they have for the prequels. They're part of Star Wars whether people like it or not and they should have done more with it in this trilogy. I thought The Rise of Skywalker was supposed to bring all the trilogies together, yet we never got a single scene of a prequel cast member interacting with any of the original or sequel cast members, which would ultimately be what brings the entire series together. This whole trilogy has just completely undermined the first 6 films while trying to capitalize on the nostalgia of the original 3, yet it misses all the opportunities to bring along meaningful conclusions to not just the old characters, but even theirs. Seriously, what the f*ck was the point of Kylo Ren, Finn, and Poe? Why does anyone care about these characters and what have they really contributed? Why is Anakin no longer a central figure? He was the chosen one yet Rey is the one who brings balance to the force? We had the rise and fall of Vader for 6 films, this sequel trilogy should have dealt with his redemption. Otherwise, this whole trilogy hasn't really justified its existence in any way. __________________

12-21-2019, 10:37 AM	#1170
IMJ Emperor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 8,895	I think what's important here is that we learned from the Rise of Skywalker that evil - even Galactic evil, can be defeated by making an "X". Take this deep Hollywood wisdom with you through your life - when you run into evil, or when Rian Johnson calls you a racist, or Kathleen Kennedy calls you a misogynist, just make an "X" and you can defeat them. __________________ Wave 1 Collectibles Online Market Watch Blog Collection Photography

12-20-2019, 12:47 PM	#1161
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	But would it deserve to be? Either way? Again, I haven't seen it yet but discounting the soundtrack and visual effects and going simply by the plot, it sounds equally bad, just from another direction. Sigh. F'n Mouse.

12-20-2019, 12:55 PM	#1162
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I feel like this franchise needs a Modern Spaceballs. Something to take the complete piss out of the whole conversation and get all sides laughing together again. A comically large needle to pop the balloon and end the incessant helium hiss of fans in agony. Just a gut feeling. I don't know **** about Star Wars. Spaceballs could be the "Coming out of Our Shells" tour for Star Wars fans, for all I know. Though I'm pretty sure that would actually be the Holiday Special.

12-21-2019, 03:35 AM	#1167
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	The weirdest thing about this franchise is the retroactive love for the prequel trilogy. Those films are colossal trainwrecks. It's really hard for me to understand how people can find them more enjoyable than the new films. I might get it though. If it is just the fact that the prequels feel less market-tested, fine, I get that. But even with that on their side, the writing, acting, and visuals are so laughable that I found them to be enjoyable in a "I can't believe this happened" sort of way, upon rewatch. The new films have impressive visuals, much better acting, dialogue. Flimsy story at times, but same with the prequels. Characters are a mixed bag in both as well. Just my perspective. I sort of get it, because Star Wars is closely tied to George's initial vision, so for some people, I can see how it's all about getting the pure stuff, from the mind that created the universe, regardless of awful execution. I was going to say that it sort or seems like preferring TMNT volume 4 to IDW. Which I do. Not sure if I think it's a completely fair comparison but maybe close enough.

12-21-2019, 03:08 PM	#1171
Xav Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,045	Alleged Lucasfilm Insider on TROS production https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspe...os_production/

12-21-2019, 03:22 PM	#1172
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Reylo lips kiss was not intended as romantic kiss, more like siblings kiss akin to Luke and Leia’s kiss. JJ Abrams explains in vid: https://twitter.com/rizeofkylo/statu...828158976?s=21 It’s still incest tbh what the actual ****

12-21-2019, 03:56 PM	#1175
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	I wonder, how Rat will spin the failure of TROS? Right now it is obvious they didn't pay shill and influencers to save the movie from being ripped apart by critics and fans. And it seems there is no push back to call people who don't like this movie "bigots, racists and sexists". At least not yet. IMO, it means Disney knew it will be a failure and decided to sacrifice Episode 9, which means Kennedy would be ousted quite soon (which is a good thing, because, making **** from the biggest media franchise in the world is a rare talent). I don't think Disney will kick her out, because, it won't look "progressive", but she certainly won't be able to make any decisions from now on. Also, it most likely mean that JJ and Cryman Johnson won't be allowed anywhere near Star Wars. Which is also a good thing. I'd hope JJ will suffer a major setback in his carrier, but given that pretty much everyone knew TROS will be a failure I think it won't impact him very much. Like, in this case he was just a driver who attempted to guide truck to the collision as careful as possible. On a separate note, JJ now is a unique director who had a rare opportunity to take part in tanking two massive space franchises: Star Trek and Star Wars. To complete the trinity he should be assigned to the remake of the StarGate! Just joking.

12-21-2019, 05:04 PM	#1176
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,885	Just got back from seeing it, some positives and negatives: + I liked that the new trio finally got an adventure together. This movie did a pretty good job of making Rey, Finn and Poe seem like close friends, it's a damn shame they waited till the last movie of the trilogy to actually do this. + Chewbacca, C-3PO, R2D2 and Lando all were handled fine. I thought they killed Chewbacca at first and I would have been pissed, but I'm glad they didn't. Also Chewy finally got a medal at the end of the movie after being robbed for decades at the end of the original movie! + Kylo Ren is still one of the best characters of this trilogy, he went from angry/rage inducing Vader fanboy to a somewhat sympathetic character at the end. The Kylo/Rey romance felt like it could have worked, but I'm glad it was tragic than if she survived. + The action set-pieces were good, especially Rey vs. Kylo in their lightsaber battle on the wreck in the waves + They did the best they could with Leia given the circumstances. Also like the flashback that she trained as a Jedi. + Palpatine was fine, I don't like how we really don't know how he survived (no I don't care if comics or books explain it), but it was alright. Now the negatives: - Too many damn new pointless characters. We already saw this problem with the orange alien lady (who did nothing in this film), and Rose (who basically did nothing in this film), from the first two movies. Now we have a new black lady and the other woman Poe knew that I don't even remember their names. LMAO, and now the new droid sidekick has its own smaller droid sidekick. LOL, why add even MORE characters when they have trouble handling the main cast? - The new villains all continually went out as lame as I thought they would. The Knights of Ren were the jobbers I knew they would be, but I did like that Kylo Ren killed them instead of Rey. Hux was pointless the whole trilogy although the spy aspect was somewhat interesting. The new general felt like a Tarkin expie but lamer. Also what the hell is the point of the Red Storm Troopers? They got even less screentime in the film I thought they would. And then we all know the female silver Storm Trooper whose name I forgot and Snoke went out like they were nothing too. Dear god, almost every new villain completely sucked this entire trilogy. I laughed every single time one of them died. - The first half of the movie felt like a fetch quest from a videogame, I have no idea why they always do this. It was the same thing as TLJ's Casino subplot, do we really need to see them waste valuable screentime out of a only 2 hour movie just going to random planets looking for stuff? - Kylo repairing his mask was pointless and idiotic, like J.J. wanted to stick it to Rian. But the whole mask was so stupid to begin with and made Kylo hard to understand when he spoke. Thank god he didn't wear it for the last half of the movie. - Don't really like how Palpatine was finished off. Rey just easily blocks his lightning with two sabers after hearing Jedi and he's done for....meh. - Final battle was VERY rushed. The whole fight against all those Star Destroyers just wasn't believeable and went by too fast. Besides that things I'm indifferent about is Rey being a Palpatine, yes it sounds fanfiction as hell but overall I don't really care. Her declaring herself a Skywalker at the end made even less sense though, the entire Skywalker line is dead. Overall it's a mixed bag, but it handled stuff better than I thought it would. Very surprised to see Harrison Ford again, I did not expect him to ever come back for another movie as brief as his scene was.

12-21-2019, 06:34 PM	#1179
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,885	Rey and Kylo have no relation at all, I don't know why people keep bringing up the sibling thing. Kylo is the son of Han and Leia, Rey's parents were shown in the flashback and she is the grandaughter of Palpatine. And no I don't think Palpatine impregnated Anakin's mother through force powers, no matter what comic says so. Let's discuss the new villains of this trilogy, which they dropped the ball with entirely besides Kylo Ren: - Captain Phasma. Does nothing in two movies, just a shiny Storm Trooper. - Snoke, does nothing but sit on a chair and be killed off, good thing he was retconed as just a Palpatine puppet/clone or whatever he was. Best thing Rian Johnson did was kill him off, I fear what J.J. would have done with Snoke otherwise trying to pass him off as interesting. - Hux. Kinda a pointless character, I disliked him in all 3 films and he added little. - Knights of Ren. LMAO, they got 10 seconds of screentime in TFA, were absent in TLJ, and basically only appear in this film for Kylo Ren to quickly kill them off. The definition of useless jobbers like I knew they would be. - Red Storm Troopers. LOL, I can't believe the marketing material and posters tried to make a big deal out of this, they got far less screentime in the movie I could have ever imagined. I think they have maybe 30 seconds of on-air screentime between shots. - The new older general in this movie (forgot his name), pretty much just a Tarkin stand-in. I think the big problem with this trilogy is they weren't able to come up with a single good memorable new villain besides Kylo Ren. When I was a a kid/early teen I at least like Darth Maul, Grievuous, from the prequels even if they just looked cool. Can't imagine any kid these days wanting a toy of these guys, but maybe silver storm trooper and red storm trooper sell these days.