Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 61

*Andrew NDB* · 12-22-2019, 06:46 AM

In the original version Chewbacca did, in fact die on that transport. And Kylo did die after that shove over the edge. But that was a very different thing.

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~~AquaParade~~ · 12-22-2019, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In the original version Chewbacca did, in fact die on that transport. And Kylo did die after that shove over the edge. But that was a very different thing.

This is pretty believable. Like I said, the fakeouts are bad enough in movies like Transformers or Black Panther, but they didn't even really seem to attempt to do much with this one. Feels very "nvm".

I slightly wonder it it was meant to be a catalyst for the main thrust of the story, at some point, because the way it is done is actually quite haunting. Had me thinking of MCU's Civil War incident with Scarlet Witch.

*CyberCubed* · 12-22-2019, 10:46 AM

The original marketing material does make it seem like a lot of stuff was cut. Remember that yellow alien slug creature pilot on the poster? It got like 5 seconds of screentime in the actual movie. Remember how promoted the new Red Storm Troopers were? They literally got less than 30 seconds of screentime in the movie. Knights of Ren? They did absolutely nothing but get killed by Kylo in less than 20 seconds.

I also get the feeling a lot of Luke's scenes were cut, he was barely in the movie. He got one short scene with Rey and then nothing else till the very end. I know he was originally going to appear as a Force Ghost fighting Palpatine, but even besides that it feels like he had some other scenes that are gone.

I also don't understand why this movie introduced 2 new female characters with essentially the same role Rose had. The new black lady was introduced....to give Finn a female to talk to...the same thing Rose was. Only now they're both black! Oh and the new black woman talks to Lando at the end...because they're both black! What was going on in J.J.'s mind? And then the other woman was just to show you that Poe wasn't gay.

Likewise every new villain in the entire trilogy was nothing more than throwaway fodder besides Kylo Ren. I hated Snoke so him being a Palpatine puppet is fine with me, but even besides that it's still odd.

*Shark_Blade* · 12-22-2019, 11:01 AM

When being chased by jet fighters(?), Poe was light skipping the Millennium Falcon and I remember suddenly there’s a big yellow alien screaming in fear with its large mouth gaping behind them in the cockpit as they were approaching a gigantic monster.

We never see that big yellow alien again, nor did we see it in the movie earlier. Heck was it even in the last Jedi cause I don’t even remember seeing it?

~~Sumac~~ · 12-22-2019, 11:12 AM

More curiously Matt Smith character has been completely cut from the movie, despite early promotions making a big deal out of him.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-22-2019, 11:29 AM

I all but forgot about that guy being in the movie.

- latest conspiracy theory is disney spending money to keep RT score for audience at 86%.

*Shark_Blade* · 12-22-2019, 11:57 AM

So I guess it was left over cut accidentally/carelessly put into the final movie? A mess lol

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Originally Posted by Sumac

More curiously Matt Smith character has been completely cut from the movie, despite early promotions making a big deal out of him.

Yeah Rose got reduced appearances but he seemed to cease to exist altogether.

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-22-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

More curiously Matt Smith character has been completely cut from the movie, despite early promotions making a big deal out of him.

Who is Matt Smith?

The horseback warrior is meant to be Finn's girlfriend with Rose pushed aside and Kerri Russell is meant to be Poe's girlfriend. Independent and strong yet there as a love interest.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 12-22-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Who is Matt Smith?.

He played the Eleventh Doctor in Doctor Who

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-22-2019, 12:26 PM

This is starting to sound nearly as interesting as the production on Justice League. Really curious as to what happened.

*IMJ* · 12-22-2019, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Who is Matt Smith?

The horseback warrior is meant to be Finn's girlfriend with Rose pushed aside and Kerri Russell is meant to be Poe's girlfriend. Independent and strong yet there as a love interest.

Poe's girlfriend refusing to kiss him as meta-commentary on the MeToo movement.

*CyberCubed* · 12-22-2019, 01:26 PM

Also anyone laugh when "Dark Rey" hissed at Rey during the nightmare sequence? I'm not sure if that was intended to be funny or not but I honestly burst out laughing in that scene.

*sdp* · 12-22-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

In the original version Chewbacca did, in fact die on that transport. And Kylo did die after that shove over the edge. But that was a very different thing.

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That actually sound awesome, would've liked that. I would've been sad had Chewbacca died in the vehicle since it felt so rushed and without much emotional weight.

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Originally Posted by AquaParade

This is starting to sound nearly as interesting as the production on Justice League. Really curious as to what happened.

Well apparently Lucas was brought back with JJ to fix ROS after Colin left and TLJ was not being received well, but then Disney got nervous again because of reactions to solo and changed things again.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-22-2019, 02:53 PM

It basically has become Disney's Batman V Superman.
Just without change of directors.

*sdp* · 12-22-2019, 03:06 PM

The best part about Lucas, Laird etc, is that they love their creations so much they don't care if they lose money since they've already gained so much and they would do whatever they wanted and disregard opinions. This was also a bad thing though but big studios have so much invested that they make these decisions when fear of not getting their ROI.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-22-2019, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

More curiously Matt Smith character has been completely cut from the movie, despite early promotions making a big deal out of him.

Yep. He was Fully Rejuvenated Emperor, who got a whole lightsaber fight scene with Rey. Things went full Dark Empire there before Kennedy pulled the rug out from that.

I love that the original idea for that last battle seemed inspired from Final Fantasy IV.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-22-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

It basically has become Disney's Batman V Superman.
Just without change of directors.

I think the Justice League analogy actually fits way better.

Nothing really changed behind-the-scenes on BvS, they just cut 30 minutes for time and then reinstated those scenes for the Blu-ray. But WB wasn't otherwise meddling with it
too much otherwise. In Justice League and Rise of Skywalker there was massive creative upheaval at every step of the creative process, AND in both cases they were re-shooting huge chunks of the movie up until the release.

JL and ROS definitely have more in common insofar as the wacky stuff going on behind the curtain. It aggravates me how much studios involve themselves nowadays. I know it's their money and everything but still.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-22-2019, 05:28 PM

Kennedy at every step of things: "Let's lose this and that, and that. And change that to that."

JJ at every step of things: "Sure, my pleasure! Anything else you want me to change?"

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-22-2019, 06:43 PM

Love or hate John Campea, he makes some good points about some of the writing issues with the film. Something to think about at least.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XqqKoO5eDuw

*Shark_Blade* · 12-22-2019, 06:44 PM

https://comicbook.com/starwars/amp/2...nted-tell-rey/

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Early in the film, Finn makes it clear that he has a secret that he wants to reveal to Rey, but then he voids any opportunity to explain what wants to say.

But now filmmaker J.J. Abrams has opened out about what he meant at a recent screening for The Academy, explaining just what Finn wanted to say to Rey.

According to attendee @ar1aster, Finn was meaning to tell Rey that he was actually force sensitive — a trait he displays throughout the film. We got to see glimpses of Finn's strength in the Force in the previous films, but in The Rise of Skywalker he seems to have refined that ability.

*Finn about to be drowned in quicksand*
Finn: REY REY I GOTTA TELL U SOMETHING (NO NOT I LUV U LOL ACTUALLY IM FORCE SENSITIVE BUT ITLL NEVER BE EXPLORED IN THE WHOLE MOVIE)

Poe: What is it you wanna tell Rey?

Finn: Mind your ****ing business

I’ll only tell Rey when we’re both alone (but actually I never will)

Poe: we’re gonna be shot to death. Still not gonna tell me?
Finn: f***ing no

Really? That’s what he’s hiding?? He can just say that out loud no need to hide it at all. Rubbish nonsense baiting the audience over nothing

12-22-2019, 06:46 AM	#1201
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,564	In the original version Chewbacca did, in fact die on that transport. And Kylo did die after that shove over the edge. But that was a very different thing. Spoiler: A ton of Force Ghosts came and restored Rey after Palpatine sapped her. He became restored to Matt Smith levels, and there was a lightsaber fight. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

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12-22-2019, 05:28 PM	#1218
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,564	Kennedy at every step of things: "Let's lose this and that, and that. And change that to that." JJ at every step of things: "Sure, my pleasure! Anything else you want me to change?" __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-22-2019, 10:46 AM	#1203
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	The original marketing material does make it seem like a lot of stuff was cut. Remember that yellow alien slug creature pilot on the poster? It got like 5 seconds of screentime in the actual movie. Remember how promoted the new Red Storm Troopers were? They literally got less than 30 seconds of screentime in the movie. Knights of Ren? They did absolutely nothing but get killed by Kylo in less than 20 seconds. I also get the feeling a lot of Luke's scenes were cut, he was barely in the movie. He got one short scene with Rey and then nothing else till the very end. I know he was originally going to appear as a Force Ghost fighting Palpatine, but even besides that it feels like he had some other scenes that are gone. I also don't understand why this movie introduced 2 new female characters with essentially the same role Rose had. The new black lady was introduced....to give Finn a female to talk to...the same thing Rose was. Only now they're both black! Oh and the new black woman talks to Lando at the end...because they're both black! What was going on in J.J.'s mind? And then the other woman was just to show you that Poe wasn't gay. Likewise every new villain in the entire trilogy was nothing more than throwaway fodder besides Kylo Ren. I hated Snoke so him being a Palpatine puppet is fine with me, but even besides that it's still odd.

12-22-2019, 11:01 AM	#1204
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	When being chased by jet fighters(?), Poe was light skipping the Millennium Falcon and I remember suddenly there’s a big yellow alien screaming in fear with its large mouth gaping behind them in the cockpit as they were approaching a gigantic monster. We never see that big yellow alien again, nor did we see it in the movie earlier. Heck was it even in the last Jedi cause I don’t even remember seeing it?

12-22-2019, 11:12 AM	#1205
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	More curiously Matt Smith character has been completely cut from the movie, despite early promotions making a big deal out of him.

12-22-2019, 11:29 AM	#1206
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	I all but forgot about that guy being in the movie. - latest conspiracy theory is disney spending money to keep RT score for audience at 86%.

12-22-2019, 12:26 PM	#1210
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	This is starting to sound nearly as interesting as the production on Justice League. Really curious as to what happened.

12-22-2019, 01:26 PM	#1212
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	Also anyone laugh when "Dark Rey" hissed at Rey during the nightmare sequence? I'm not sure if that was intended to be funny or not but I honestly burst out laughing in that scene.

12-22-2019, 02:53 PM	#1214
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	It basically has become Disney's Batman V Superman. Just without change of directors.

12-22-2019, 06:43 PM	#1219
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Love or hate John Campea, he makes some good points about some of the writing issues with the film. Something to think about at least. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XqqKoO5eDuw