Star Wars: Episode IX - Page 62

*sdp* · 12-22-2019, 06:48 PM

Finn did show a few hints during the movie that he was force sensitive. I would've loved a movie where this was explored in say Episode 8 and by 9 you had a few Jedi.

We already had a storyline of only 1 Jedi left, why not make a movie whree there were plenty of Jedi, instead of a boring general Leia could've been the trainer of Luke's daughter Rey, Finn shows up and starts training, then because of reasons they go search for Luke to finish their training. Leia was boring as a general until ROS where she was training Rey and even that was limited because of footage.

ROS was fun, the things that don't make sense is because it had to finish the trilogy and the 9 movies, had this been a second act it would've been fine, even better had it been the first act, we finally got the interaction Poe/Rey/Finn needed.

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Kennedy at every step of things: "Let's lose this and that, and that. And change that to that."

JJ at every step of things: "Sure, my pleasure! Anything else you want me to change?"

Well we saw what happened to Trevorrow when he said no.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-22-2019, 06:49 PM

Yeah, that was super bizarre. It definitely felt more like he was implying that he loved her. To me, at least. Why would the force thing be a secret?

And did they really never follow up on it in the movie, or did I miss it? Is JJ out here explaining missing plot points?

*Shark_Blade* · 12-22-2019, 07:01 PM

It only made sense to confess one’s love in your last moment prior to death.

But to confess in your last moments that you’re force sensitive and actually hiding about it??? Tf? What is there to hide? even when he’s in death row to be shot down Finn still refuse to talk about it to Poe

*Andrew NDB* · 12-22-2019, 07:14 PM

I didn't really mention about the riding animals on the Star Destroyers. Wow, that was nonsensical. Their whole plan, just ride around on its surface tossing bombs inside hatches? The ships could just turn on their axis slightly and send all of them falling. I think it was kind of supposed to be a callback to the riding animals with Rose thing in TLJ but... was she even in the battle? I don't remember seeing her.

*Voltron* · 12-22-2019, 09:36 PM

Yeah, I hate it when movies aren't realistic. It also bothered me that Kylo fixed his helmet, instead of just buying a new one. That was a huge waste of his time! It's bonehead moves like those that ultimately cost Palpatine two wars.

*CyberCubed* · 12-22-2019, 09:58 PM

Mace Windu could have killed Palpatine if only he had two lightsabers to reflect the lightning like Rey.

*IMJ* · 12-22-2019, 10:30 PM

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Mace Windu could have killed Palpatine if only he had two lightsabers to reflect the lightning like Rey.

All evil, even Galactic evil can be defeated by making an "x". Bad day at work? Just make an "x"! Enemy coming your way? Just make an "x"!

*CyberCubed* · 12-23-2019, 06:21 AM

Thinking about it more all these movies had dumb subplots that just wasted time in the film. The first movie at least had the excuse of establishing Rey and Finn as new characters so I'd let it slide. TLJ had the whole casino planet subplot with Finn/Rose that could have been cut entirely and nothing would be lost, and this movie wasted most of it's first hour looking for a dagger, a dagger of all things, in a Star Wars move over like two planets.

I also wish so many of the new characters were cut entirely. Maz, Rose, Holdo from TLJ, the two new women in this movie, etc. they all contributed so little to both the movies and the overall lore in general you might as well leave them out.

And as I said before nearly all the villains were just fodder with as little screentime as possible to sell toys. Still laughing thinking about how the Red Stormtroopers got so much hype in the marking material to get less than 30 seconds of combined screentime in the movie. Knights of Ren? Who? Worse than Phasma and Snoke combined.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-23-2019, 09:11 AM

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Yep. He was Fully Rejuvenated Emperor, who got a whole lightsaber fight scene with Rey. Things went full Dark Empire there before Kennedy pulled the rug out from that.

I love that the original idea for that last battle seemed inspired from Final Fantasy IV.

Some rumors had it that he was supposed to be Son of Mortis, whoever that is.

And, of course, I've meant Justice League, not BVS as a comparison to the mess that is TROS. My bad.

*Shark_Blade* · 12-23-2019, 01:15 PM

John Boyega himself confirmed it

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No... Finn wasn’t going to say I love you before sinking!

https://twitter.com/johnboyega/statu...914444288?s=21

*IMJ* · 12-23-2019, 02:24 PM

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Some rumors had it that he was supposed to be Son of Mortis, whoever that is.

Oh interesting. That's a deep, deep mythology component of Force lore that had a pretty good arc in the Clone Wars show.

I had heard that the Sith dagger was actually the dagger of Mortis, but by the time I saw the movie I didn't even care anymore.

The Rise of Skywalker
01. Find planet for McGuffin.
02. Find previously unnamed Jedi apprentice on planet for McGuffin.
03. Find McGuffin upon finding apprentice.
04. Find location of next McGuffin using old McGuffin.
05. Find next McGuffin at location.
06. Find new location using next McGuffin.
07. Find plot device at new location.
08. Use Lightsabers to make an "X".
09. Bury old lightsabers in the sand because you've killed the past.

~~Sumac~~ · 12-23-2019, 02:45 PM

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Oh interesting. That's a deep, deep mythology component of Force lore that had a pretty good arc in the Clone Wars show.

I had heard that the Sith dagger was actually the dagger of Mortis, but by the time I saw the movie I didn't even care anymore.

Other rumors insisted that Matt Smith's character was part of Knights of Ren and a young clone of Palps.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-23-2019, 02:45 PM

Yeah, what exactly are we to take from Rey burying Luke and Leia's lightsabers? Is it burying the Skywalker saga? Rey walking away from... eh, their past even though she embraces it like 10 seconds later? It just seems needless and wasteful.

*IMJ* · 12-23-2019, 03:08 PM

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Yeah, what exactly are we to take from Rey burying Luke and Leia's lightsabers? Is it burying the Skywalker saga? Rey walking away from... eh, their past even though she embraces it like 10 seconds later? It just seems needless and wasteful.

See line #09 in post #1231.

*CyberCubed* · 12-23-2019, 08:58 PM

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Yeah, what exactly are we to take from Rey burying Luke and Leia's lightsabers? Is it burying the Skywalker saga? Rey walking away from... eh, their past even though she embraces it like 10 seconds later? It just seems needless and wasteful.

It's set-up for Episode X when it happens 10-15 years from now and Rey has to go re-cover them for the next hero or heroine.

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-23-2019, 09:11 PM

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-toxic-fandom-wins/

CBR failed to mention that The Last Jedi did the exact same thing in it nullified plot points in The Force Awakens.

Too bad Luke can't walk in and out of the force. That would be the ultimate fan catering.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-23-2019, 09:50 PM

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https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-toxic-fandom-wins/

CBR failed to mention that The Last Jedi did the exact same thing in it nullified plot points in The Force Awakens.

TLJ is immune because it is an "important" movie with an "important" message.

Sidenote: did I miss "Duel of the Fates" in the movie? We were told it would be there, somewhere, along with like every theme ever.

*Allio* · 12-23-2019, 10:52 PM

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To be fair, it's pretty much what Mace was doing to Palpatine.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-24-2019, 12:45 AM

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To be fair, it's pretty much what Mace was doing to Palpatine.

But that served a purpose. Palpatine wanted to be scarred by Mace to better sell the "I was unfairly attacked, and look what they did to me!" thing, as he did in the senate. What's the reasoning here?

Though I've never seen a good answer as to whether Mace was actually wounding him or if that was just a little bit of uncovering his true appearance. I guess after IX we have to say it was really hurting him.

*Allio* · 12-24-2019, 01:00 AM

Guy could handle three lightsabers, but two was too many.

12-22-2019, 07:14 PM	#1224
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,564	I didn't really mention about the riding animals on the Star Destroyers. Wow, that was nonsensical. Their whole plan, just ride around on its surface tossing bombs inside hatches? The ships could just turn on their axis slightly and send all of them falling. I think it was kind of supposed to be a callback to the riding animals with Rose thing in TLJ but... was she even in the battle? I don't remember seeing her. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-22-2019, 09:36 PM	#1225
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Yeah, I hate it when movies aren't realistic. It also bothered me that Kylo fixed his helmet, instead of just buying a new one. That was a huge waste of his time! It's bonehead moves like those that ultimately cost Palpatine two wars. __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

12-23-2019, 02:45 PM	#1233
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,564	Yeah, what exactly are we to take from Rey burying Luke and Leia's lightsabers? Is it burying the Skywalker saga? Rey walking away from... eh, their past even though she embraces it like 10 seconds later? It just seems needless and wasteful. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ] Last edited by Andrew NDB; 12-23-2019 at 02:51 PM.

12-24-2019, 01:00 AM	#1240
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Guy could handle three lightsabers, but two was too many. __________________

12-22-2019, 06:49 PM	#1222
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	Yeah, that was super bizarre. It definitely felt more like he was implying that he loved her. To me, at least. Why would the force thing be a secret? And did they really never follow up on it in the movie, or did I miss it? Is JJ out here explaining missing plot points?

12-22-2019, 07:01 PM	#1223
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	It only made sense to confess one’s love in your last moment prior to death. But to confess in your last moments that you’re force sensitive and actually hiding about it??? Tf? What is there to hide? even when he’s in death row to be shot down Finn still refuse to talk about it to Poe

12-22-2019, 09:58 PM	#1226
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	Mace Windu could have killed Palpatine if only he had two lightsabers to reflect the lightning like Rey.

12-23-2019, 06:21 AM	#1228
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	Thinking about it more all these movies had dumb subplots that just wasted time in the film. The first movie at least had the excuse of establishing Rey and Finn as new characters so I'd let it slide. TLJ had the whole casino planet subplot with Finn/Rose that could have been cut entirely and nothing would be lost, and this movie wasted most of it's first hour looking for a dagger, a dagger of all things, in a Star Wars move over like two planets. I also wish so many of the new characters were cut entirely. Maz, Rose, Holdo from TLJ, the two new women in this movie, etc. they all contributed so little to both the movies and the overall lore in general you might as well leave them out. And as I said before nearly all the villains were just fodder with as little screentime as possible to sell toys. Still laughing thinking about how the Red Stormtroopers got so much hype in the marking material to get less than 30 seconds of combined screentime in the movie. Knights of Ren? Who? Worse than Phasma and Snoke combined.

12-23-2019, 09:11 PM	#1236
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-toxic-fandom-wins/ CBR failed to mention that The Last Jedi did the exact same thing in it nullified plot points in The Force Awakens. Too bad Luke can't walk in and out of the force. That would be the ultimate fan catering.