Does anyone else feel disillusioned with their fandom?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

And we know it's because of soccer moms crying and whining. Same ones that are now behind the COPPA movement that is going to become a nightmare for anyone who makes a cartoon and it's not geared for kids.

COPPA is a US Federal Law, not a movement

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

COPPA is a US Federal Law, not a movement

And who wrote the law? Who does it serve? Follow the money.

[Candy Kappa]

You do know what COPPA is right?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

But then again, we have COPPA to contend with, and I'm not sure if their influence could hurt the likes of how Netflix markets it's programming.

Coppa only affects youtube from what I understand since Youtube got caught mining/selling children's data instead of taking responsibility for it they gave the finger to youtube creators/ adult toy reviewers. Now I think there is a middle ground where they can mark a video not safe for kids and still get paid. But if your video is marked safe for kids you don't make any add revenue.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

And you don't know if the CEO's have more imprint or not yourself.

I'm not the one who made the positive claim, you did.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Was it the downfall for sure? Probably not? More than likely the Next Mutation was the one that did it and took Peter Laird's personal involvement with 2k3 to bring the franchise back to something that people with intelligence could enjoy. But, like it or not, people did notice Mikey changing his nunchucks and they were not happy about it. And we know it's because of soccer moms crying and whining. Same ones that are now behind the COPPA movement that is going to become a nightmare for anyone who makes a cartoon and it's not geared for kids.

1. People may not have been happy but FW still got 6 seasons and the point still stands that your precious OT changed a character weapons decades before Rise did.

2. COPPA has been a thing for 19 years, actually do research before you spout things.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Yep! I think you definitely have some kind of behind the scenes involvement with this show. You are very defensive and now throwing insults. How cute!

Umm you're the one who threw insults first champ with the whole "Talking out of your anus" crap seriously first TommyT and now you. You Gen Xers are like a kid who punches someone and when they punch you back you cry to the teacher.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Stop with the BS. The 2k12 changed the ages of April, Casey and Karai, and we were just fine with it. In fact, I really enjoyed that aspect. I also liked the idea in the 2014 movie that the Turtles were April's pets and it was neat how they managed to somehow mesh her scientific roots from the comics through her father while retaining her FW reporter roots. But guess what, I too thought it was stupid to make Shredder into a white guy, so some changes are good, some, not so good.

Oh wow changes to supporting characters and slight change to an origin, you OT fans are sooooo open minded

Originally Posted by Warhorse

And oh, if it wasn't for us original fans that helped make the TMNT into the huge cult hit it's become, you wouldn't even have your stupid Rise of the TMNT!

1. The original fans were the people who first got introduce to the comic, you OT kids aren't really "original fans" if we want to be accurate.

2. You didn't helped with anything, your parents brought toys to a cartoon you liked and you watched it every Saturday morning because you enjoy it. Don't tell people to be grateful just because you consume a product when you were a kid it makes you sound entitled.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

For starters, your BS story on why Raph's sais don't fit is ludicrous.

Can you please at least try to act like an adult and explain why you disagree because this is not getting us anywhere.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Leo's weapon is the Katana, which suits his calm personality while Raphael is the exact opposite of him, including his weapon which is interesting enough, designed to block and disarm sword wielders.

Okay but how often do you see Raph disarm sword wielders also if your weapon is used to parry something it doesn't make sense to have an aggressive personality.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

And these companies are also run by stock holders, whereas those who are on an ego boost would not want to see what a stock analyst might think if the 2k3 BluRays are selling so fast and they will demand more in this direction.

Where are you getting any of this

Originally Posted by Warhorse

But then again, this could be why Rise was being shown at odd times on Nick. Maybe somebody in the company knew this was not the direction they want the TMNT to go down, but maybe their arms are tied because of some contractual obligation with a show runner. Could also be why they might be looking at Netflix. Be a clever way to start catering the TMNT to a more mature audience without alarming the soccer moms. But then again, we have COPPA to contend with, and I'm not sure if their influence could hurt the likes of how Netflix markets it's programming.

Dude stop mentioning Coppa, its clear you have no idea what it is and probably just skimmed it or something and its painful whenever you mentioned it.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

1. People may not have been happy but FW still got 6 seasons and the point still stands that your precious OT changed a character weapons decades before Rise did


Umm you're the one who threw insults first champ with the whole "Talking out of your anus" crap seriously first TommyT and now you. You Gen Xers are like a kid who punches someone and when they punch you back you cry to the teacher.

Oh wow changes to supporting characters and slight change to an origin, you OT fans are sooooo open minded



1. The original fans were the people who first got introduce to the comic, you OT kids aren't really "original fans" if we want to be accurate.


Can you please at least try to act like an adult and explain why you disagree because this is not getting us anywhere.

Please read the rules. I will continue to report your bad behavior until a mod deals with it.

[Jester]

PApagreg, knock it off. People are allowed to not like Rise just like you're allowed to like it. This constant bickering is ridiculous.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, but nobody was watching it anymore. Except some of you guys.

That's impossible. Mikey's weapon changed started when the Turtles hit CBS and it became an hour show with two episodes. Then it carried over no matter if newer episodes were part of the CBS show or the regular weekly show. It was a high point for new episodes after nonstop season 3 reruns. People were def still watching.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That's impossible. Mikey's weapon changed started when the Turtles hit CBS and it became an hour show with two episodes. Then it carried over no matter if newer episodes were part of the CBS show or the regular weekly show. It was a high point for new episodes after nonstop season 3 reruns. People were def still watching.

Maybe. I just know everyone in my generation in my school liked TMNT... and then suddenly they didn't. And when they did, Mikey sure still had his chuks in the cartoon.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by snake

The first episode was pretty bad, but it certainly doesn't have the "vibe" something like GB2016 or NuWars has. The show dealing with race is fine, because it reflects something relevant to today's political climate like how the comic dealt with nuclear war.

The main character isn't going around saying "F*ck white men", or anything on-the-nose, and is a pretty cool main character overall. Nothing compelling, but it's nowhere near as bad as I heard.

The Seventh Calvary hate group isn't even ridiculous or comical. They don't have a secret underground 4chan knock-off, or talk about how there's too many women in movies these days. They're literally a bunch of anti-police white supremacists wearing Rorschach masks. It makes sense in universe, because Rorschach's journal obviously would have been misinterpreted when printed in a sensationalist right-wing newspaper. The show doesn't portray the police state as a good thing either.

It's a well written show, and the love and understanding for the comic is there, especially with all of the synchronicity, themes, and visual motifs. The Ozymandias scenes in particular are genuinely amazing.

I'd watch it all the way through. Just because it brings racial tensions to logical conclusions in a universe where President Robert Redford starts using taxpayer dollars to give out "we're sorry" money for victims of race riots doesn't mean it's garbage.

Agreed. It’s a brilliant show. No brainwashing or SJW indoctrination required.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Please read the rules. I will continue to report your bad behavior until a mod deals with it.
https://i.imgur.com/lGHwFm0.png

Well, you'd be the one knowing about bad behavior.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Jester

PApagreg, knock it off. People are allowed to not like Rise just like you're allowed to like it. This constant bickering is ridiculous.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by snake

The point is, I don't think black April was a "political" decision, and more one of "someone had this design laying around and thought it was cute and decided to use it". The president of Viacom isn't going around championing Apirl as some sort of black icon, or some publicity bullsh*t they'd pull with the FemBusters or Captain Marvel. She's treated just like a normal character, like she should.

You had me for most of the argument, and you're being charitable to Nick, but to close your eyes to the intentional race swapping, under the guise that she looked cute? First of all, she's not remotely cute, from any objective position, and secondly, She's a pastiche of SJW women in general, a black Kelly Sue Deconnick, if we're being honest.
Baby Yoda, she is not.

So no, while they're not waving the progressive flag and marching in the streets, it was absolutely a strategic move, aimed at the demo they think will buy these toys. when your business approaches a billion dollars, decisions are not whimsical in the slightest.

Despite all the market testing, that demo didn't spend money. Shocker.

This goes back to my point, months ago now, that April, for better or worse, is a sexual icon, and removing that from the TMNT dynamic as they did in Rise, breaks the magic.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TommyT

This goes back to my point, months ago now, that April, for better or worse, is a sexual icon, and removing that from the TMNT dynamic as they did in Rise, breaks the magic.

2012 April is a sexual icon... ?

Gross, dude

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

2012 April is a sexual icon... ?

Gross, dude

Yeah, because THAT's what I said.

But, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, we can, dude. Pretty sure they introduced her in a yellow spacesuit in the 4th season, with sexual overtones.




Video here, as a refersher.


There was also the inter-species romantic subplot, and love triangle, also driven by Nick.

She was Sexualized by Nick, so take it up with them. Also, at the start of the series, she's 16. Men being attracted to 17/18 year old girls is neither novel, nor surprising.

Feel free to play the prude card if you like, but it's pretty normal, and you know it.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Yeah, because THAT's what I said.

Well, you excluded only Rise April from the "Sexual Icon" comment, so maybe it was just her skin tone and not young age that turned you off, who knows. We've had pedos here before *shrug*

Originally Posted by TommyT

But, if you want to go down that rabbit hole, we can, dude. Pretty sure they introduced her in a yellow spacesuit in the 4th season, with sexual overtones.

You can keep that rabbithole to yourself, this forum is supposed to be somewhat clean, so no hentai pics please.

Originally Posted by TommyT

She was Sexualized by Nick, so take it up with them. Also, at the start of the series, she's 16. Men being attracted to 17/18 year old girls is neither novel, nor surprising.

Yes. Many wrinkly old men can't stay in their age Group, doesn't make ity any less gross, especially when the girls are girls, underage girls and not adult women.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Feel free to play the prude card if you like, but it's pretty normal, and you know it.

Hah, that's adorable you claim the nsfw artist is pulling a prude card, sure buddy

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Well, you excluded only Rise April from the "Sexual Icon" comment, so maybe it was just her skin tone and not young age that turned you off, who knows. We've had pedos here before *shrug*



You can keep that rabbithole to yourself, this forum is supposed to be somewhat clean, so no hentai pics please.



Yes. Many wrinkly old men can't stay in their age Group, doesn't make ity any less gross, especially when the girls are girls, underage girls and not adult women.

Hah, that's adorable you claim the nsfw artist is pulling a prude card, sure buddy

Are we getting personal? Shall i outline the rules for you as well? Or do you want to get really personal? Girls are girls, On that we can agree.
I understand you don't like me, but I won't be baited into these straw man arguments, simply because you support the bastardization of TMNT currently on offer.

You're painting me as a racist or a pedo. good look for you. shall i go and name call you? I can, but would it be moral? you seem to be attacking my morality, so let's look at the facts, such as they are:


Age of consent in the US

Spoiler:

Age of Consent world wide

If we're going by what is considered "legal" perhaps you may also want to take a peak at the parts of the planet that have homosexuality as forbidden.

tldr, stop throwing shade for the sake of shade, your morality is no purer than my own. I'm not espousing anything that isn't legal or wrong. The Rise version of April IS too young to be sexualized, and was race swapped and dressed as an SJW.

it backfired, my point stands.

[Candy Kappa]

did You find any what I wrote too personal?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TommyT

https://i.imgur.com/bOG6YQu.png
https://i.imgur.com/OOMcIpG.png

Video here, as a refersher.

1. That space suit isn't really sexy, it's fairly loose fitting and doesn't show any skin. Not sure why anyone would be turned on by it.
2. In addition to not having much sex appeal, the music and the "You're creeping me out" comment, makes this seem more like it makes fun of fanservice.

If they wanted to sexualise her, they would have shown her wearing a bikini at some point. That's actually considered OK to do in American kids' shows.

[CyberCubed]

American cartoons usually do not do fan service in the traditional sense. This isn’t anime which always sexualizes girls under 18 as the norm no matter what show you’re watching.

I can’t think of any American cartoon that ever did such a thing. Even the pic above of Wasp from Avengers isn’t too bad given she’s in her 20’s.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by neatoman

1. That space suit isn't really sexy, it's fairly loose fitting and doesn't show any skin. Not sure why anyone would be turned on by it.
2. In addition to not having much sex appeal, the music and the "You're creeping me out" comment, makes this seem more like it makes fun of fanservice.

If they wanted to sexualise her, they would have shown her wearing a bikini at some point. That's actually considered OK to do in American kids' shows.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KM951rLu4PQ/maxresdefault.jpg

That’s ok if you don’t read the hearts, the shocked expressions, the slow zip and the butt shot as sexualizing her, but that IS what is happening. It’s not there to indicate she’s really smart or that she’s proficient at golf.

We know, in that moment, april has adopted the 1987 yellow suit, and the boys wen’t cray cray.

Subtle is often sexier than obvious.