Star Wars: Episode IX

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Sure they can. Just like anyone who only feels passionately about Mirage but hates almost everything else can still call themselves a TMNT fan.

I get what you're going for, though.

Shots fired!

[Leo656]

I aimed at the ankles. Andrew's a good egg.

[Andrew NDB]

It's not really apples to apples, though. It would be if Peter and Kevin were super hands on with anything after Mirage... but they weren't (conversely, George was for all of I-VI). There could be a case about how me not liking 2k3 at all even though Peter (though I could make the argument that while Peter was, Kevin was not) was so heavily involved in it challenges my fan status, but meh.

[Leo656]

Eh, yeah, I get it. I just think a person can say they're technically a fan of something but still aren't required to partake in ALL of it to sustain their Fan Cred.

I feel you, though. Some people insist that they are "huge Superman fans" based solely on the fact that they liked one or two movies from 40 years ago when they were little kids, but they hate or don't watch anything else involving the character and refuse to read comic books. It definitely bothers me, and I would love to revoke their Fan Card, but it's simply not fair to do that.

Same with people who only care about Star Wars as pertains to the original trilogy and have no interest in anything else. They're like Chris Reeve "Superman Fans" who ignore everything else. I'd put a giant asterisk next to their "Fan" label but I wouldn't outright take it away.

All one can hope for is that people like that one day grow up and stop being so myopic, but that's ultimately their own business.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I get that, but I just don't think they can in all fairness still call themselves Star Wars fans. If you only like 50% of a thing... that's an F in school, isn't it?

It's normal.

If you like 100% of thing, I'd question your taste, because, things can't be 100% good.

[CyberCubed]

For Star Wars it makes sense because for like 20 years the original 3 movies was all there was besides books/comics and most people were not going to go after those. Episode 1 came out in 1999 and that was an almost 20 year gap between when episode 6 came out in 1983. All those original fans were in their 30’s and 40’s already back in 1999.

Then this is not even counting the prequels being poorly received after people watched them, and besides that nobody really expected a sequel trilogy to happen all these years later. I still remember what a shock it was when we first heard Disney bought Star Wars and was going to make an Episode 7-9, it felt unthinkable for the longest time. Everyone pretty much thought Star Wars was over in terms of movies after Episode 3 came out in 2005 for good.

I was 20 years old back then, I remember the hype with people saying “this will be the last Star Wars movie ever, even if you don’t like the prequels you have to see this and Anakin becomes Darth Vader in this one.” Funnily enough how only 10 years later in 2015 we’d have the next movie, but back in 2005 none of us could have predicted that. Hell the gap between 2005 and 2015 felt like an eternity back then even though it really wasn’t.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's not really apples to apples, though. It would be if Peter and Kevin were super hands on with anything after Mirage... but they weren't (conversely, George was for all of I-VI). There could be a case about how me not liking 2k3 at all even though Peter (though I could make the argument that while Peter was, Kevin was not) was so heavily involved in it challenges my fan status, but meh.

To be fair, the email exchanges Laird posted on his blog suggest he had veto power over terrible ideas rather than creative control over the series direction.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Eh, yeah, I get it. I just think a person can say they're technically a fan of something but still aren't required to partake in ALL of it to sustain their Fan Cred.

Forced to agree. I've been an Iron Man collector for 30 years now, yet there are a lot of bad Iron Man comics out there....

Being a fan of a property means enjoying something for the core of what it is rather than any singular story or design. Fandom can sometimes be the straight line through the hills and valleys.

Until a property tanks as badly as Star Wars. Then you just leave it in the valley and walk away.

[Andrew NDB]

[AquaParade]

Lol does anyone have an answer to that? Even a half-ass'd explanation from the creative team?

I honestly don't know the films well enough to catch plot-holes, but that one seems pretty big.

Edit: nvm, I don't care.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Lol does anyone have an answer to that? Even a half-ass'd explanation from the creative team?

I honestly don't know the films well enough to catch plot-holes, but that one seems pretty big.

Edit: nvm, I don't care.

Surely it was just some kind of "test" for Kylo Ren's commitment to the Dark Side. Yeah, that's it.

[Allio]

I thought the consensus was basically typical Palpatine trying to have 40,000 plans. Like even if Anakin was the "chosen one" he was going to drop him like a sack of bricks, like for his son.

*If Kylo kills rey
He takes Kylo's body

*If rey kills Kylo
He takes rey's body

*If they both teamed up
Take both essences

[Andrew NDB]

I think it could be read that Palpatine knew that Kylo was going to kill Snoke that moment, and had him play along accordingly (even narrating the charade). To bring Rey and Kylo together, somewhat. Blegh, it's all sh**.

Also, maybe my memory is fuzzy but... eh... why was Kylo Ren so desperate to get the cipher items to find Exegol throughout the movie when he'd already visited Exegol in the beginning of the movie? Or was it more to stop Rey from finding them?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Allio

I thought the consensus was basically typical Palpatine trying to have 40,000 plans. Like even if Anakin was the "chosen one" he was going to drop him like a sack of bricks, like for his son.

*If Kylo kills rey
He takes Kylo's body

*If rey kills Kylo
He takes rey's body

*If they both teamed up
Take both essences

Suddenly I have this urge to read a Palpatine "Choose Your Own Adventure" story.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Also, maybe my memory is fuzzy but... eh... why was Kylo Ren so desperate to get the cipher items to find Exegol throughout the movie when he'd already visited Exegol in the beginning of the movie? Or was it more to stop Rey from finding them?

Yeah, he does casually stroll in there at the beginning of the film, doesn't he? And to think that took Rey and Company about 4 or 5 different fetch quests to make it that far!

[CyberCubed]

[oldmanwinters]

Heh, this recent controversy over John Williams's music and cultural/racial appropriation/stereotype propagation...

Never change, Washington Post.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Heh, this recent controversy over John Williams's music and cultural/racial appropriation/stereotype propagation...

Never change, Washington Post.

What has triggered our "respected" and "professional" journalists this time?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Sumac

What has triggered our "respected" and "professional" journalists this time?

White male (also long-time Democrat donor and participant in Presidential inauguration for Barack Obama) John Williams not only lifted the styles and vocabulary of Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern music, but set them in the context of "bad guy themes," with Duel of Fates being the worst offender.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

White male (also long-time Democrat donor and participant in Presidential inauguration for Barack Obama) John Williams not only lifted the styles and vocabulary of Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern music, but set them in the context of "bad guy themes," with Duel of Fates being the worst offender.

I want to came up with witty quip, but I am out of words.

I wonder, are those people, who make such accusations, know anything about history. Or development of cultures, for that matter.

[sdp]

Apparently the Trevorrow script for IX was better than Rise of Skywalker, Emperor was only a hologram for a bit, Kylo is not redeemed, Luke has a larger role as a ghost