Star Wars: Episode IX

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by IMJ

My buddy who is a big Star Wars guy and I have had a decades long running joke about how Luke is actually basically a little whiny, bitch. And he's actually shown as such in the movies more often than he is heroic at all.

He had a lucky shot in the trenches, and he did alright at Jabba's Palace, but after that not so much. He's whiny throughout the trilogy, he gets strung up by a hair-monster, gets his hand cut-off and gives up for suicide after it, and repeatedly tells the Galactic Bad Guy that he won't fight him.

I'd still take Luke over Rey. Unless Rey wanted to get busy, then... definitely Rey.

I think it's clear that Leia is the only purely admirable (human) character among the franchise's main cast. Also, she should go by the name of Organa, not Skywalker or Solo, because Bail Organa and family are the unsung heroes of the galaxy.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

My buddy who is a big Star Wars guy and I have had a decades long running joke about how Luke is actually basically a little whiny, bitch. And he's actually shown as such in the movies more often than he is heroic at all.

He had a lucky shot in the trenches, and he did alright at Jabba's Palace, but after that not so much. He's whiny throughout the trilogy, he gets strung up by a hair-monster & hangs then lays in the snow crying for his "daddy", gets his hand cut-off and gives up for suicide after it, and repeatedly tells the Galactic Bad Guy that he won't fight him.

I'd still take Luke over Rey. Unless Rey wanted to get busy, then... definitely Rey.

Also, leave it to Screen Rant to write shill articles for clicks. No 9 is "Luke's Optimism"? Optimism? He's a pessimist through the entire series! LOL! I think there's one scene while loading R2 into an X-Wing where he says something optimistic! Everything else is self-doubt, loathing and giving up until someone nudges him along!

I've seen this opinion, though, I am disagree with that.
But even if that was the case, it is still better than Rey "no character" "Skywalker".

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen people call her "Mary Sue Palpatine" lately, and I think that's lovely.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I think it's clear that Leia is the only purely admirable (human) character among the franchise's main cast. Also, she should go by the name of Organa, not Skywalker or Solo, because Bail Organa and family are the unsung heroes of the galaxy.

Well, said. She is a Skywalker by birth, but an Organa in all other ways. I referred to her in my mine as General Leia Oranga-Solo. No need to drop the name she was raised by and inspired other with. If one name is given its Organa regardless of what a certificate says.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Well, said. She is a Skywalker by birth, but an Organa in all other ways. I referred to her in my mine as General Leia Oranga-Solo. No need to drop the name she was raised by and inspired other with. If one name is given its Organa regardless of what a certificate says.

And it turns out "Solo" was just a made up designation to make the job easier for an Imperial Officer.

[Leo656]

"Solo" = "Answers To Questions Nobody Ever Asked: THE MOVIE"

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

"Solo" = "Answers To Questions Nobody Ever Asked: THE MOVIE"

It should've been like... one situation. Pick any one. Just one. And made all about the one. Even the Kessel Run. Or befriending Chewie. Not 20 things in one, trying to make spinoffs.

[Leo656]

What's funny to me is that when they announced it, I and many others were like, "I bet they just put a bunch of nonsense into it so that like every important thing to ever happen to the guy happened within the context of This One Movie", almost half-joking.... but then they went and did exactly that.

Da Best.

[Andrew NDB]

"Social Justice Wars":

[oldmanwinters]

Just found the official (until it isn't) Lucasfilm explanation for how Palpatine was able to construct that fleet of planet-destroying Star Destroyers from his Sith Man Cave:
https://movieweb.com/the-rise-of-sky...eet-explained/

[ranger_scout]

It's here.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Just found the official (until it isn't) Lucasfilm explanation for how Palpatine was able to construct that fleet of planet-destroying Star Destroyers from his Sith Man Cave:
https://movieweb.com/the-rise-of-sky...eet-explained/

Bullsh**. They'd be better off just saying they were retrofitted classic Star Destroyers, hidden away.

[sdp]

Star destroyer fleet with a death star cannon somehow didn't get me to say "oh ****", it felt lame as we'd already seen super star destroyers who were bigger ships and more menacing. It was not a good choice, by that point in the movie I was more interested in seeing what they did with palpatine that I didn't care it was a cheap deus ex machina for the villains to have but man, how lame, couldn't they have come up with something better? I do think a Death Star 3 would've felt more impactful despite already having the not-Star Destroyer in TFA.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

the official (until it isn't) Lucasfilm explanation ...

Here's the real kicker for me...

it did show the crews of these new Star Destroyers and they all looked rather young. As it turns out, these crews are made up of children from the Sith Eternal. These children were trained at birth to devote their lives to the Final Order. These are also the people under the Sith Trooper armor, who were briefly shown in the movie.

And no one mourned the thousands of poor slave children who surely died in the Great Battle of Exogol at the hands of Lando's Merry Men.

[Sumac]

Don't you know ideology of the twitter lefties: if people hold bad beliefs, then they are irredeemable pieces of **** and monsters for life and they deserve to die (except for people they like) !!

So, it's fine and par for the course for the movie.

************

But really, considering what a cluster**** this movie is, no-one gave a **** about such tiny detail.

[Andrew NDB]

Home video release trailer:

[Vegita-San]

rey is basically a god in this. she flies at the start.. and laughs in the face of death in the middle(by somehow being able to heal), and escapes it at the end....ugh.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

rey is basically a god in this. she flies at the start.. and laughs in the face of death in the middle(by somehow being able to heal), and escapes it at the end....ugh.

Those movies are awful. They really are so bad that even the "world building" and effects work can't draw me in.

TFA had possibility. But when your middle act derails things so badly it's all lost. TFA could have actually been made a better movie by the second act being strong. But now the whole trilogy truly, truly sucks. As crazy as it sounds I think it's possible that it could be demonstrated academically that the trilogy sucks and that it's beyond opinion.

That trilogy factually sucks.

[newfan]

The original 3 will remain my favourite, the ones I have watched over and will again.

[frank_one]

Whenever I see a new article or a thread bumped I cannot help and be surprised people are still talking about these movies.