David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[Andrew NDB]

What do you guys figure the fallout of this will be? No more Harley movies? Total chaos behind the scenes, as is after every WB DC movie failure? Will "Flashpoint" have to do even more retconning?

[TommyT]

Woke culture is getting a much needed kick in the nondescripts.

[Andrew NDB]

Like, what can they even say now? They can't say the males didn't show up... because apparently we showed up even more than the females. Just blame it on the R rating, then? I'm really curious.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Or maybe most women who have their lives together, out grew the need to see Harley Quinn, and are more interested in normal ****.

That is exactly what I was trying to say.

All this "grrrrl power" thing is usually so far removed from actual problems
women facing in the modern Western societies, that Harley looks almost like a pastiche of a discourse and empowerment, instead being a real thing. Not to mention, that Harley character is usually presented as that endless care free teenager, which is not relevant as a role model for most women past 20.

Harley is an idealized rebel, but most people, women and men, do not live rebel life style and do not want to be like that. So using her as a figure of empowerment is kind of dubious. In general, using superheroes as your role model is dubious.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What do you guys figure the fallout of this will be? No more Harley movies? Total chaos behind the scenes, as is after every WB DC movie failure? Will "Flashpoint" have to do even more retconning?

They will definitely cry about "white evil males", but after that we probably will see more cancellation and reshuffling.
WB is chronically incompetent, so there is a little chance they do something right. If they couldn't fix their **** after BVS and Justice League, there is a little doubt that they will fix anything now. They will stumble around until they accidentally get things right to fail again after that once more.
Such is WB way.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like, what can they even say now? They can't say the males didn't show up... because apparently we showed up even more than the females. Just blame it on the R rating, then? I'm really curious.

As if they can't ignore facts...

[oldmanwinters]

Well, the obvious explanation is that it had to go up against the Oscars, the XFL debut, and the Democratic NH Presidential Primary Debate on the same weekend. Oh, and it some places the weather was really bad. So yeah, just a perfect storm as to why such an important movie didn't have room to get noticed.

Originally Posted by Sumac

WB is chronically incompetent, so there is a little chance they do something right. If they couldn't fix their **** after BVS and Justice League, there is a little doubt that they will fix anything now. They will stumble around until they accidentally get things right to fail again after that once more.
Such is WB way.

Sums it up well.

[CyberCubed]

I guess those other million spinoffs they planned are dead now. Remember the Jared Leto Joker and Harley spinoff they had planned a few years ago? That was dead after Jared Leto went nuts.

I wonder if that rumored Batgirl film by Joss Whedon is dead now too.

[oldmanwinters]

Ooh, here's some rationalizing!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...210151335.html

Love that "Harley Quinn" isn't as popular as we thought conclusion. Also, "R-Rating" curse and... the Oscars!

[MikeandRaph87]

My work colleague thought it was a good movie if you just wanted to see something goofy and Black Mask and Mr. Zsasz are not gay together but grotesque with a touch of zany and die in humorous fashion. He found it odd I skipped the film.

[Andrew NDB]

Come to think of it, they can't point to the R-rating. Think about it. "Suicide Squad" was PG-13 and came out in 2016... it's 2020 now, so anyone who was 13 then would be 17 now. Meaning, they can watch R-rated movies now, and any of "Harley's fans who couldn't go and see her in 'Birds of Prey' because of the rating."

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Come to think of it, they can't point to the R-rating. Think about it. "Suicide Squad" was PG-13 and came out in 2016... it's 2020 now, so anyone who was 13 then would be 17 now. Meaning, they can watch R-rated movies now, and any of "Harley's fans who couldn't go and see her in 'Birds of Prey' because of the rating."

Math is hard, I guess.

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[AquaParade]

It never ceases to amaze me how different the passage of time is when you're a kid. Movies always reimburse that realization for me.

You're saying that kids who saw Suicide Squad at 13 are now (potentially) seeing BOP at 17?? It's so bizarre, because as a child, those feel like such distinct points in your life, due to all the maturation & changes going on obviously, but for an adult, it feels like SS just came out yesterday. Not much has changed. At least it feels that way. Probably a good reminder to keep your life chugging along in new and interesting directions so as to avoid that feeling.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

It never ceases to amaze me how different the passage of time is when you're a kid. Movies always reimburse that realization for me.

You're saying that kids who saw Suicide Squad at 13 are now (potentially) seeing BOP at 17?? It's so bizarre, because as a child, those feel like such distinct points in your life, due to all the maturation & changes going on obviously, but for an adult, it feels like SS just came out yesterday. Not much has changed. At least it feels that way. Probably a good reminder to keep your life chugging along in new and interesting directions so as to avoid that feeling.

"4 years" might as well be considered a generation.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that's pretty bonkers. Like, I could attend all 4 years of high school in the time between "Suicide Squad" and "Birds of Prey."

Yeesh. What a waste.

[IMJ]

Part of the problem is that DC is chasing what they think tracks as successful instead of following the plan initially outlined as of Man of Steel. WB/DC could've stayed the course and just continued making the evolutions needed to make their movies better, ala Shazam. But instead, they panicked and basically have thrown **** at the wall to see what sticks and now they have a wall covered in **** with a few moderate successes.

DC needs:
-a bright and hopefully Superman movie. Think something that combines Superman II and Man of Steel but maybe with Darkseid. Just do it. DC pulled James Gunn for an absolutely stupid IP like Suicide Squad, but they could've given him Superman.
-a Batman movie more akin to Tim Burton's stuff, but with a Batman that moves more akin to Affleck's Batman
-a legit GL movie without "Tron costumes" and before Marvel goes all-in on Nova. And let's just use Jon Stewart - he's a great, fleshed out character that already has pop culture exposure
-another WW success
-a fun Flash flick with stakes, and maybe include a nice action cameo with Cyborg because he was great in JLA and he and Flash made a great pair

Now, while all of that may be true, I'd also say that the failure of this flick can also be directly correlated to the woke nonsense about it projected in recent cast interviews and other advertising for it.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, that's pretty bonkers. Like, I could attend all 4 years of high school in the time between "Suicide Squad" and "Birds of Prey."

Yeesh. What a waste.

I've had many epiphanies and moments of clarity like this across my life. I hate it, but it's also eye opening.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

DC pulled James Gunn for an absolutely stupid IP like Suicide Squad, but they could've given him Superman.

No, they wanted him to do a Superman movie but he turned them down to do "The Suicide Squad" instead:

https://www.newsarama.com/48452-jame...ide-squad.html

Similarly, Abrams being given a mega-millions deal and then offered Superman and Green Lantern but going with... eh, Justice League Dark.

lol, WB needs to be more assertive. "Gunn, you're f***ing doing Superman and that's it, case closed. Abrams, get a good writer that's not named Abrams or Johns and get the f*** to work on Green Lantern. I want a shooting script in 4 months."

[AquaParade]

I love what DC is doing right now. Not everything will be a winner but there will be large helpings of greatness and variety.

If DC were to go all in on a shared universe, they'd have to homogenize. That means, with Fox under Marvel, we'd be essentially getting two types of tones for comic book movies - Marvel or DC.
Again, DC is giving us so much variety at this point, between Joker, BOP, and WW. It would be a shame to lose that type of variety.

Image, Dark Horse, etc. adaptions aside, which, to be fair, will likely become more common, and help accentuate the variety of flavors we need.

Now, who is to say that DC/WB can't have that variety alongside a shared cinematic universe?
Well, no one I suppose. And if Wonder Woman 84 and Shazam are indeed set in the Man of Steel/BvS/JL universe, then it appears they are already doing that. I suppose that universe does need a Batman and Superman, which is where things get messy.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No, they wanted him to do a Superman movie but he turned them down to do "The Suicide Squad" instead:

https://www.newsarama.com/48452-jame...ide-squad.html

Similarly, Abrams being given a mega-millions deal and then offered Superman and Green Lantern but going with... eh, Justice League Dark.

lol, WB needs to be more assertive. "Gunn, you're f***ing doing Superman and that's it, case closed. Abrams, get a good writer that's not named Abrams or Johns and get the f*** to work on Green Lantern. I want a shooting script in 4 months."

Nobody wants Superman. They are trying to kill the patriarchy, not join it.

[Autbot_Benz]

At Least Death Battle gave some dignity back to Black Canary

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TommyT

Nobody wants Superman. They are trying to kill the patriarchy, not join it.

Ugh.

Come to think of it, looking at that exact quote from Gunn: "As has been reported many times, DC offered me whatever film I wanted to do, including some sort of Superman movie (not specifically Man of Steel 2 as I've seen reported)."

I wonder what kind of Superman movie was it they wanted him to make? "Lois & Cuckman"? Something else?

[AquaParade]

Maybe a "Superman & Son" film.

"Oh, you like your son, do you Abrams? Have we got a project for you!"