Animation is underappreciated medium

[IMJ]

I appreciate the guy's points, but it's an old argument. When I was a kid the push to take animation seriously was championed by examples of anime and smooth-frame-rate Disney animation as art.

I think that people appreciate animation quite a bit - more nowadays with my generation in adulthood than ever before to be honest. We had parents who subscribed to all of the hard cliches of their generation - cartoons are for kids, animation is for laughs, etc. But gen x dove into our pop culture and now in our 40s most of us still watch some form of cartoons - therefore animation is more appreciated than ever before. The longest running show in TV history is animation that begin as Gen X'rs were turning on T.V.'s as kids.

Animation can still be underappreciated, but I'd argue that it is also more appreciated now than ever before.

[IndigoErth]

I agree, it's by far more common for adults to watch cartoons now and for cartoons made for adults to even exist.

I find some of the shift to the flash sort or whatever is going on with that that's cutting corners isn't helping it as it's just looking cheaper as a result of presumably trying to be cheaper. But that it exists and is a common medium for all ages is continually increasing.

Now, Disney 2D animated films on the other hand... there's an art that's being lost.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Now, Disney 2D animated films on the other hand... there's an art that's being lost.

Yeah, that's a real shame, especially because Disney was arguably at their peak of 2D animated films (the Renaissance) before they began to be phazed out.

There's just something about 2D animation which I find so much more appealing than 3D animated films.

In terms of Disney, my favourite showcase of 2D animation has to be from the film Tarzan.
Other than being super well drawn and fluid (seriously, that fight scene with the Leopard still holds up today), the film really mixes 2D and 3D animation well, if you look at the scenes of Tarzan surfing on the trees.

[Egon1982]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I agree, it's by far more common for adults to watch cartoons now and for cartoons made for adults to even exist.

I find some of the shift to the flash sort or whatever is going on with that that's cutting corners isn't helping it as it's just looking cheaper as a result of presumably trying to be cheaper. But that it exists and is a common medium for all ages is continually increasing.

Now, Disney 2D animated films on the other hand... there's an art that's being lost.

Adult animation does exist like Fritz the Cat, Heavy Metal, Wizards, Simpsons (Seasons 1 to Behind the Laughter), Bojack Horseman, Watership Down, American Pop, Plague Dogs, Aeon Flux, Liquid TV, Fire and Ice, Starchaser Legend of Orin, The Maxx, Spawn TAS, The Head, Duckman, Ninja Scroll, Akira, Princess Mononoke, Castlevania, Love Death and Robots, DC animation and more etc. are proof animation isn't just for kids.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Animation can still be underappreciated, but I'd argue that it is also more appreciated now than ever before.

I agree while I do think The West(especially America) sort of undervalue the strengths of animation I do agree we are getting better especially in T.V adult animation. While this isn't the first we see T.V adult animation deal with serious subjects in a respectful manner(Duckman/Futurama) this is probably the first time we see it in this quantity. In the past 6 years alone we had numerous of animated dramedies(Bojack Horseman, F is for family, Tuca and Bertie and Undone) action shows(Lastman, Seis Manos, Castlevania, and Primal) and more experimental series

[Egon1982]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

I agree while I do think The West(especially America) sort of undervalue the strengths of animation I do agree we are getting better especially in T.V adult animation. While this isn't the first we see T.V adult animation deal with serious subjects in a respectful manner(Duckman/Futurama) this is probably the first time we see it in this quantity. In the past 6 years alone we had numerous of animated dramedies(Bojack Horseman, F is for family, Tuca and Bertie and Undone) action shows(Lastman, Seis Manos, Castlevania, and Primal) and more experimental series

Don't forget Spawn TAS, old school The Simpsons (1989 to Behind the laughter, no Zombie Simpsons which is seasons 12 to now), Aeon Flux, The Maxx, The Head, King of the Hill, Cowboy Bebop etc.

Animation is an underappreciated medium.

I've always appreciated animation more than live action despite there is some great live action films i enjoy. I wish that more people stopped judging animation as a whole to due to trends or outdated standards.

[TommyT]

solid animation:



No current "modern" 2d animation shows come close.

[Leo656]

That needs to be at the end of every post forever.

Jesus.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Leo656

That needs to be at the end of every post forever.

Jesus.

But don't you know, Rise has just the BESTEST animation ever!!!

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TommyT

But don't you know, Rise has just the BESTEST animation ever!!!

Nah, no ass on that show.

Seriously, not one f*ckable character. As an HONEST red-blooded American straight male, I mostly pick and choose my entertainment by way of the ol' Divining Rod (Penis). An' I ain't got time for nonsense. You got about twenty-five seconds to throw some T&A at me or I'm done with your movie/show forever.

This is why I've seen every episode of Sabrina The Teenage Witch multiple times but can't tell you a single thing about it, except for the movies Beth Broderick got naked in. And of course I know that.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by TommyT

solid animation:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e075...bc5a/tenor.gif

No current "modern" 2d animation shows come close.

There's an entire cohort that came of age in the last decade whose lens doesn't focus on any event, thing, or work done that predates their existenc; unless that event was something negative that they can make outcry against. And so they assert these nonsense arguments as if they've made an original observation of some kind.