The Flash tv series on CW - Page 59

~~Leo656~~ · 02-13-2020, 02:26 AM

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I think the show suffered by removing John Shea (Luthor) and Tony Jay (Nigel the man-servant) as cast regulars. It's really night and day comparing episodes with them to episodes without them.

To be fair about the finale, the showrunners were banking on one more season to explore those plot threads, but oh well...

Oh, definitely. And then when they brought Lex back for a one-off here and there it just wasn't the same. Shea was a great Lex; I know there were logistical reasons for writing him out so early but it felt very weird having him "die" at the end of Season 1 and just being an occasional bit-player after that. One thing that really hurt the show (aside from the budget) was the lack of good villains. They only really had Lex and couldn't afford to lose him. Tempus or whatever was pretty much the show's "real" villain and he was terrible.

And yeah, they were supposed to get another season to wrap it all up,, but STILL. The last episode was a terrible choice for a last episode, either for the series or just the season. They spent all season building up Whatsisname as Lex's son. Next to last episode ends on a mild cliffhanger with "I'm Lex's son... muahahahahahahahaaaaaa!" Okay, neat. I know we're at the end so that's a really cool place to leave things, and it fits with the story they've been building up all season, so that's cool, can't wait to see what next season ha-.... wait, there's one more episode? Whaaaaaat?

Then we get "Fat Head", the single worst one-off villain in DC TV history, and a baby on a doorstep. TERRIBLE.

Might even be the worst episode in the entire series, it's been a while. But Jesus, I've never gotten through that episode without cursing out the TV. Even if there was supposed to be Season 5, that episode was STILL a lousy way to end Season 4; the fact that it ended up being The End was worse, but it just should never have been filmed. Tack the baby thing on the end of the other episode if you absolutely insist.

Sometimes I have to go back and watch "The Green, Green Glow Of Home" again after, just to wash the taste out of my mouth and remind myself how great the show was when it was at its best. What a goddamn popcorn fart that finale was. Jesus.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 02-27-2020, 06:17 PM

The newest team flash...ash..ash...ash.. member.

Ugh. What was the point of that 'no second chances' sob story? did they feel that was needed to make us feel sorry for the character?

*Andrew NDB* · 02-27-2020, 06:30 PM

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The newest team flash...ash..ash...ash.. member.

They're adding even more members?

*Autbot_Benz* · 02-27-2020, 06:54 PM

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They're adding even more members?

no last week just had Cisco's Gf and that black dude who created the black hole in Central City helping Frost out in star labs.

They redeemed Grodd Post Crisis as not wanting power anymore and wanting to just live in gorilla city with his people.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-03-2020, 08:52 PM

Chester is bumped to series regular for S7

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/03/03/...-chester-p-ru/

The Flash has promoted Brandon McKnight to series regular for The CW series' upcoming seventh season. McKnight made his debut on the Arrowverse series during the sixth season premiere, "Into the Void" as Chester P. Runk, a science genius who ended up opening a black hole in Star City during one of his live-streamed experiments with Team Flash ultimately having to place Chester into the Mental Augmentation Chamber (MAC) at STAR Labs until he could re-stabilize from the experience.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-03-2020, 08:54 PM

They need less supporting cast at this point, not new.

*Voltron* · 03-03-2020, 09:18 PM

It's important to have a growing and diversified group of characters in a show. I can't think of a single show that has suffered because of additional characters being added, regardless of how irrelevant they are to the plot.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-03-2020, 09:28 PM

It's killing the show and coming at a detriment to the existing cast. The same thing happened to Arrow. The Flash is basically a guest on his own show and given only superfluous character arcs over the new seasons. Their answer to "what can we do next with the Flash?" is always just "let's add a new member of Team Flash and get into THEIR story!" Rinse and repeat.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-04-2020, 02:20 AM

That's always a risk regardless of storytelling medium, I find. One of the downsides of the pretty awesome Superman run in the comics between 1986 and 1996, for example, was that by 1995 or so the supporting cast had grown rather unwieldy. The "Superman is a guest star in his own book" criticism was cited word-for-word in the letter columns back then, as well, even though a lot of the secondary and side characters were fairly popular and well-received on their own, had been established well over time, and so on. It all kinda crept up slowly over a couple of years until there were suddenly a few issues where Superman himself only appeared in about 5 or 6 pages of a 22 or 25-page book, and that's just not really very well-balanced. As people pointed out, the books were still called "Superman", not "Adventures of the Daily Planet Staff" or "Tales From Metropolis" or anything like that. Eventually they scaled everything back by about 2/3s, and on the downside, a lot of those characters were never really used again after that, which was a shame, but the books did become a lot more focused and easier to read, and they also started selling better. But since then I notice that it happens a lot in shows, comics, etc.

I haven't watched this show in a while; one of the things I liked about it in Season 1 was the supporting cast, but it was already sort of large to begin with. It's difficult to balance expanding the side roster while still keeping a focus on the main character who people are ostensibly paying the most attention to. It generally starts happening when writers start running out of ideas and need to pad things a little. You can get some more story mileage out of it, but sometimes it's rather transparent.

*Voltron* · 03-04-2020, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's killing the show and coming at a detriment to the existing cast. The same thing happened to Arrow. The Flash is basically a guest on his own show and given only superfluous character arcs over the new seasons. Their answer to "what can we do next with the Flash?" is always just "let's add a new member of Team Flash and get into THEIR story!" Rinse and repeat.

This is what happens when there's no more story left to tell. Or if the writer's are crap. Or there's executive meddling. Unless a story is allowed to end on its own terms, it will rot and morph into something barely recognizable.

I can't think of any long running series (off the top of my head) that haven't had a serious decline in quality.

It's a shame that this is happening to The Flash, though. I heard Arrow suffered a similar fate.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 03-11-2020, 01:40 PM

barry and joe west make a more interesting couple with chemistry than barry and iris...ugh... FF central.

*oldmanwinters* · 03-11-2020, 01:53 PM

I missed the episode immediately after Valentine's Day, so I haven't been sure if the real Iris came back or not, but the end of this week's ep answered my question.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-11-2020, 02:09 PM

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This is what happens when there's no more story left to tell. Or if the writer's are crap.

No more story to tell? They have 80 years of comics to draw from. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Maybe it's coincidence and maybe it's not, but I think we might be able to triangulate the sudden drop in quality on Arrow and Flash to when showrunner Andrew Kreisberg was #metooed back in 2017.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-11-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No more story to tell? They have 80 years of comics to draw from. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Maybe it's coincidence and maybe it's not, but I think we might be able to triangulate the sudden drop in quality on Arrow and Flash to when showrunner Andrew Kreisberg was #metooed back in 2017.

Arrow Season 4 (the end of the road for me) was 2015-2016, so your theory doesn't line up in my opinion.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-11-2020, 02:44 PM

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Arrow Season 4 (the end of the road for me) was 2015-2016, so your theory doesn't line up in my opinion.

The season with The Thinker? I loved that season. And Kim Engelbrecht was amazing to watch.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-11-2020, 04:23 PM

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The season with The Thinker? I loved that season. And Kim Engelbrecht was amazing to watch.

Yes same I loved The Thinker that dude was cool and creepy. Also Ralph Debuted who is my favorite side character in that season.

Also is Iris really that gullible and stupid she hasn't figured out Mirror girl is evil and not gonna help her escape

https://www.cbr.com/the-flashs-alleg...ular-season-7/

allegra garcia is now season 7 regular she works for team citizen and is Nash's Daughter on another earth

~~Vegita-San~~ · 03-12-2020, 06:26 PM

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The season with The Thinker? I loved that season. And Kim Engelbrecht was amazing to watch.

That was the villain they needed three 'i'm your speed villain' 's ago. sadly it was too little too late by then.

Ahh, Wally. back to being a hateful jerk again. that little speech by joe west.. I must have missed wally changing into a likeable character.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 03-13-2020, 09:21 AM

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The season with The Thinker? I loved that season. And Kim Engelbrecht was amazing to watch.

ARROW Season 4. Flash Season 3 was when I bailed. Didn't tune in for Season 4.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-13-2020, 11:25 AM

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ARROW Season 4. Flash Season 3 was when I bailed. Didn't tune in for Season 4.

Ah, the Damien Dahrk season. Definitely not the best but a tolerable season enough for me. Even 5, but that was it.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-13-2020, 11:34 AM

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Ah, the Damien Dahrk season. Definitely not the best but a tolerable season enough for me. Even 5, but that was it.

Damien Dahrk was at his best when he became a villain on Legends. Neal mcdonough is a national treasure.

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03-03-2020, 09:18 PM	#1167
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03-03-2020, 09:28 PM	#1168
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,553	It's killing the show and coming at a detriment to the existing cast. The same thing happened to Arrow. The Flash is basically a guest on his own show and given only superfluous character arcs over the new seasons. Their answer to "what can we do next with the Flash?" is always just "let's add a new member of Team Flash and get into THEIR story!" Rinse and repeat. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-11-2020, 01:53 PM	#1172
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02-27-2020, 06:17 PM	#1162
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	The newest team flash...ash..ash...ash.. member. Ugh. What was the point of that 'no second chances' sob story? did they feel that was needed to make us feel sorry for the character?

03-04-2020, 02:20 AM	#1169
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That's always a risk regardless of storytelling medium, I find. One of the downsides of the pretty awesome Superman run in the comics between 1986 and 1996, for example, was that by 1995 or so the supporting cast had grown rather unwieldy. The "Superman is a guest star in his own book" criticism was cited word-for-word in the letter columns back then, as well, even though a lot of the secondary and side characters were fairly popular and well-received on their own, had been established well over time, and so on. It all kinda crept up slowly over a couple of years until there were suddenly a few issues where Superman himself only appeared in about 5 or 6 pages of a 22 or 25-page book, and that's just not really very well-balanced. As people pointed out, the books were still called "Superman", not "Adventures of the Daily Planet Staff" or "Tales From Metropolis" or anything like that. Eventually they scaled everything back by about 2/3s, and on the downside, a lot of those characters were never really used again after that, which was a shame, but the books did become a lot more focused and easier to read, and they also started selling better. But since then I notice that it happens a lot in shows, comics, etc. I haven't watched this show in a while; one of the things I liked about it in Season 1 was the supporting cast, but it was already sort of large to begin with. It's difficult to balance expanding the side roster while still keeping a focus on the main character who people are ostensibly paying the most attention to. It generally starts happening when writers start running out of ideas and need to pad things a little. You can get some more story mileage out of it, but sometimes it's rather transparent.

03-11-2020, 01:40 PM	#1171
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	barry and joe west make a more interesting couple with chemistry than barry and iris...ugh... FF central.