Corona Virus/Dow Jones taking a hit/possible recession

[Andrew NDB]

I know I'm just blowing wind and I'm not a vector for this or that. And I'm only saying this on a level of surprise, particularly as the state I'm in is the capital of infections... but in my real life interactions and even my FB interactions of 1100 friends... I haven't seen one post of anybody that has it or knows anyone that does within that.

Obviously this is a thing. But does anyone on this board know anyone that has? I'm not pretending this is an imaginary thing, only wondering numbers.

[Mayhem]

So far I know two people who have it, hopefully they will both recover okay. One of them is the wife of the missus' boss, so we are keeping an eye just in case he got it and thus... you can do the maths.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But does anyone on this board know anyone that has?

I know the name of the first Norwegian who got it in Italy as he was interviewed yesterday (he has recovered). I know the faces of a couple of people who are sick and are blogging their days being isolated in their homes.
I know that a coworker of my mom was tested positive, hence why my mom is in quarantine. A friend of mine might have it in the UK, but she was denied testing as she was "healthy" enough to walk with aid even though she's in the risk group.

In Norway we have 1365 people confirmed having the virus, where 66 is put in hospital care. 3 people have died so far (over 2000 people have died in Italy and over 3000 in China).

Norwegian airlines have laid off 90% of their workforce and a lot of companies are laying off people.

Our government is also taking precautions with closing schools and giving people that have been laid off full pay for 20 days, and self employed get 80% of their average income the last 3 years - topping 600k NOK ($59k).
And they are urging students to travel back home from countries they are studying in that have a crappy developed health services and collective infrastructure (USA was used as a specific example)

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Rather than paraphrasing, a post from a friend:

Yeah, I can't really say I agree with your friend. While I'm not sure total lock down might be necessary everywhere all at the same time depending on the local and nearby situations for a given county/area/region, this isn't really the time for the "'Can't tell me/us what to do!" BS. Nor the "If they're not then why should I/we??" stuff.

That's also especially problematic for those of us who are in small or somewhat small states and all those towns at the boarders of larger states because nothing is stopping it from crossing into other states with infected people.

As it is, most (maybe all) cases in my area originated with out of state sources. (Though if a couple of them got it in this state they still got it third person from the original three that got it out of state.) And between NY, as mentioned, and NJ, PA, and my state DE, for example, the way the states are situated with Jersey neighboring all of the other three, that was just asking for trouble with the amount of interstate travel that happens in the general region.

If anyone started crying "dictator," ironically it would probably be Trump's supporters doing it more, particularly that subset who do seem to crave some authoritarian nonsense at least prior to all this. Though everyone on all sides just needs to shut it and cool their asses as it would only be a temporary situation, it's not like it's a total change in the way of life and not being done for any reason other than that virus. I think people can all together try to deal for a bit in order to try to stop this thing in its tracks and, for some, quit panicking as if it's changing their way of life forever.


The only issue with making it "business as usual" for all of us who are young enough that we'll likely be fine is that even if WE are fine, most people still have older relatives (or others they come into contact with) or those with underlying conditions who might NOT be if you accidentally pass it on to them. And since people without severe symptoms are not priority for testing and most probably would not bother, someone could very well think they have some other regular cold, no big deal, when they really are in fact carrying COVID-19 and end up giving it to others who may in turn wind up in the hospital or die. And who wants to be the cause of that? Imagine being that parent who has to work and be out there in the world then accidentally bring that virus home and passes it to their child who has an immune condition or is fighting cancer...

Then again... this is supposedly also causing lung damage to younger people who are otherwise fine. Which, theoretically, could set someone up for not being so fine next time some related or other bad virus tries to run like wildfire?




In other news... My mom is going to start hating going anywhere with me... and I'm gonna hate her for making me use up too much of my hand sanitizer on her. Sanitizer that I need for work, dammit. Luckily I do have more.

We stopped at Burger King on the way home after a trip to a store. So she's thinking nothing of it handling the soda dispenser. *hand santizer* She drinks some...then goes to top it off before we leave. *omg wtf more sanitize* We leave and she just goes for the door handle instead of considering pushing with her arm or shouldering it. *are you kidding me -- more santizer in the car* Says she's trying not to take it too seriously or you'd drive yourself crazy. What? NO. Take it seriously. You can deal with "crazy" for a bit! It's not like she's 69 and diabetic or anything, and lives with a daughter who needs to be able to stay well and do her job.

Bad enough just hoping that the people who work at BK are virus-free...


edit: Hah, check this out. A friend of my mom's friend who works abroad as a teacher was living in Italy. She decided to return to the U.S. and flew home. The entire way, including at least one change of plane... never once did she ever encounter a health screening. Not even in Italy. Not a clue if she's self-quarantining, but I seriously hope so.

[Voltron]

The Governor of New York seems to want the Federal Government to create a National Lockdown Protocol that dictates what all states must adhere to.

I couldn’t find any sources on this. I found some reporting Cuomo criticized the federal response to the outbreak.

Then a reporter asked if he has shut down all schools statewide in a similar show of uniformity, to which he replied: "we will." Meaning he hasn't yet. But damn it Trump, give us Leadership. Like a dictator.

Aren’t there allot of folks claiming Trump wants to be a dictator? If the Feds do as NY is asking, are we going to hear about Dictator Trump everywhere?

Here’s the reason I love you guys: I don’t even have to argue. Your friend just called Trump a dictator.

Not that I agree. I don't think Trump is a dictator. But he should be careful making wild claims like that.

But more importantly, in my mind anyways, isn’t every State a Sovereign State? Why would any State choose to give up that Freedom?

No. We had a war about this, Andrew. People died.

If a State decides to not shut down schools or business or whatever, that’s their Right as a Sovereign State. If they choose to disagree with whoever is spewing the doom and gloom that’s causing panic across our Nation, that’s their Sovereign Right. I’m not saying it’s a good or bad decision, that’s not the point. The point is, those decisions are or should be in the hands of the Leadership of each individual Sovereign State. That we are not run by a Dictator.

Again, your friend already called Trump a dictator.

I’m also saying that if the Feds DO impose some kind of tyrannical demands, all the outrage that does come from it will NOT be directed at the State, but at Trump. I’m saying that all the media and Trump haters will have the ammunition they’ve always wanted: Dictator Trump exercising his dream of Tyranny upon us all.

Most of the rant makes no sense. This guy displays impressive lack of knowledge about US history and civics. The Feds would be exercising the power, not the state. Regardless of who asked, it the fact that the Feds acquiesced would make them complicit in the action.

I’m just crazy.

I wouldn't say crazy. I'd say ignorant.

I agree with... 85% of that.

Then you're 15% right.

they should be handled on the state level.

Again, lack of civics, Andrew. The Federal Government collects taxes FROM STATES. It is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO HELP.

[Roseangelo]

My county in California has a shelter in place order effective at midnight tonight. Basically we're all to stay at home and not congregate, with the exception of doing essential business (groceries, med care, banking, etc.). For the next THREE WEEKS.

Ugh.

I am set up to work from home, so I am thankful that my job isn't otherwise impacted, but I am going to go stir crazy.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

My county in California has a shelter in place order effective at midnight tonight. Basically we're all to stay at home and not congregate, with the exception of doing essential business (groceries, med care, banking, etc.). For the next THREE WEEKS

Doesn't seem very enforceable, though.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I know I'm just blowing wind and I'm not a vector for this or that. And I'm only saying this on a level of surprise, particularly as the state I'm in is the capital of infections... but in my real life interactions and even my FB interactions of 1100 friends... I haven't seen one post of anybody that has it or knows anyone that does within that.

Obviously this is a thing. But does anyone on this board know anyone that has? I'm not pretending this is an imaginary thing, only wondering numbers.

Dude, this is getting embarrassing.

Here's a description of what's coming.
80% of us will get sick. Thats the low end. Most of us will live, a small percentage will die. Bye bye Grandma, Grandpa, maybe Mom and Dad. They are all coin flips. 50/50.

And being sick, while you will survive, everyone who has had it, says the tough part is the four days to three weeks, where you have to concentrate on how to breath.

But that isn't the scary **** my contrarian friend. You see it's the aftermath that we really need to worry about. The fibrous tissues in your lungs, that make daily tasks excruciating. It's the bacterial infections it will open you up to. The residual potential kidney and/or liver disease.

There's a boat load of reasons to be cautious as ****.

But by all means, keep pretending its all just politics. People are absolutely choking on respirators just to prove to everyone that orange man bad.

[Voltron]

I can't believe Trump is going to give away $1000 to all those moochers and losers! What filthy socialist!

I'm finally convinced: this money should be coming to hard working people like ME. If you weren't smart enough to find a job that wasn't affected by Covid 19, then you don't deserve help.

This is America where you work for what you get. And if you get coronavirus, then it's probably because you were too poor and not worth keeping alive anyway.

I'd ask Ayn Rand to save me, but I already did that myself being the capable, hard working person I am.

However, if you had the foresight to call for social safety nets long before the Racist in Chief declared war on the "Chinese Virus" which he already cured, then this should only serve to strengthen our resolve.

Remember, this is an election year. There are morons who are going to go out amidst all of this believing the nonsense I copy-pasted above from an alt-right genius who helped get us in this mess.

Meanwhile: Here's a website that helps you find local food banks to donate to if you can or, if need be, go to should you need help.

I hope you're all well and remain so during this absolute disaster.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Voltron

I can't believe Trump is going to give away $1000 to all those moochers and losers! What filthy socialist!

My only wish is that all the "Not my president!" people mail the check back. Because why shouldn't they?

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by Voltron

I can't believe Trump is going to give away $1000 to all those moochers and losers! What filthy socialist!

Yeah there's a difference between giving people who refuse to work money and giving it to those who CANT work because their jobs shut down.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My only wish is that all the "Not my president!" people mail the check back. Because why shouldn't they?

Dude that's going on my facebook page....

[frank_one]

475 dead in Italy in the last 24 hours. Damn.

[Sumac]

Russia holds on with only about 150+ infected. Though very few people believe that those are real numbers, given our totalitarian and secretive government and our ****** healthcare.

In Moscow people are panicking and buying stuff like spaghetti, rice and the like. Certain sections in shops are completely empty.

Ruble is plummeting thanks to the "very wise" decision of our government to start an oil war with the Saudi Arabia. A bit more and it will become even more worthless than it was since 2014. And I thought it was not possible. Given that low oil prices were one of the core reasons for the dissolution of the USSR, well...

Meanwhile Putin just prolongated his presidency for the next 12 years.

Fun times ahead.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My only wish is that all the "Not my president!" people mail the check back. Because why shouldn't they?

They WILL justify taking it.
Those retards always do. They all bark, no bite. Like stupid dogs, who gonna lick hands of the person, they threatened to bite just a minute ago, because, the guy gave them a tasty sausage.

Originally Posted by Voltron

However, if you had the foresight to call for social safety nets long before the Racist in Chief declared war on the "Chinese Virus" which he already cured, then this should only serve to strengthen our resolve.

Yes, it is a Chinese virus, because, it came from China. And it came to be because of the poor sanitation of the Chinese markets and habit of Chinese people to eat various ****, which shouldn't be edible and their poor hygiene. But all those facts are horribly racist...because reasons. Or just fact that "people on the right side of history" prefer not to notice facts that don't fit in their ideology, because, they are emotionally and mentally are little stupid children, incapable of facing reality without sugar coating it.

But nope, it's all Trump's fault.

I won't comment on the rest of the "totally rational and not looking like it was written at the moment of emotional and mental breakdown post" of our "beloved moderator".

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

My only wish is that all the "Not my president!" people mail the check back. Because why shouldn't they?

Now wait.... It was Romney who proposed and pushed for this. And you guys kind of hate him these days for voting to impeach. So will you guys send it back or tear it up? Or will people suddenly justify taking a handout if Trump says it's okay.

Either way, this isn't Trump's money, it's the American people's money politics aside, so there's little wrong with some of it coming back to help the people, not just corporations, when it is needed.


Personally, even if someone wants to refuse it for whatever reasons they have, I hope even those people take it...then donate it or use it to help neighbors in need. Better off used for something good in all this rather than Trump's golf trips.

[IMJ]

It's absolutely a Chinese virus and leftist mouth breathers who can't accept it are wrong twice.

It is a "Chinese virus" in fact as it's origination was factually in China, until proven otherwise.
It is a "Chinese virus" in the pejorative use of the term as it originated from a disgusting, unkempt meat market born purely of the most disgusting, unclean and down trodden aspect of Chinese culture as opposed to any of the good aspects of the culture.

There's no skirting it, and denial as a function of the "fight against racism" does not make anyone a better person. Instead, denying this makes the denier someone who is likely to repeat their mistakes via their strange and childlike psychology that informs them that any negative statement about race or cultural is racist - which it is not.

During my undergrad, the college I went to had an internal course requirement regarding diversity. We had to read a great book about the plight of immigrants. That was a great component of the course. Then the insipid, wildly liberal instructor shows us a poster of bugs and other bush meat animals and explains in this engineered positivity that other countries eat from all sources of protein as if this was a good thing. She then, in her liberal nonsense, contrasted this by saying that we don't do this in America while employing a shameful tone as if we are wasteful. All while completely neglecting that those bush meat eating countries have strange viruses, bacterial issues and a broad span of life expectancy rather than generational cohorts that improve over time. I couldn't help but think "alright bitch, then you go eat bugs and ****ing possums you manipulative asshat". But I stayed quiet to her BS & tried to find value in the components of that class that were cogent. I got an "A". The whole thing and defense of it is insipid and foolish. In another thread we discussed natural selection. Consider that for a minute if you are reading this and want to deny origins and causal realities.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Now wait.... It was Romney who proposed and pushed for this. And you guys kind of hate him these days for voting to impeach. So will you guys send it back or tear it up? Or will people suddenly justify taking a handout if Trump says it's okay.

Arguing this is a stretch argument whereby someone argues something as a lowest common denominator target. But it isn't cogent and it's an extreme stretch by comparison. Just because we can pencil whip an argument against does make the argument worthwhile or accurate in meaning. It only means that it can be argued in tone and based on the ego that someone could find an argument. It is also like explaining to a diversity class that other people eat bugs and bush meat and are better people for it.

I think that's all that needs to be said about that - no more explanation diffusing it is necessary.

[IndigoErth]

I keep seeing idiots bringing it up elsewhere online, but nitpicking on insisting on calling it the "Chinese virus" adds nothing of value to the conversion. Yes, if it stemmed from the live animal markets then China needs to figure out it isn't a good idea and learn from this. But people can yell at them about that later after the real present problem is gone.


edit: And that response to me reads like a whole lot of nothing and just space filler for lack of a real counterpoint.

[Vicky82]

Here In the UK, Schools are now closed from Friday until further notice. I guess it won't be long until we will be on lock down.

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I keep seeing idiots bringing it up elsewhere online, but nitpicking on insisting on calling it the "Chinese virus" adds nothing of value to the conversion. Yes, if it stemmed from the live animal markets then China needs to figure out it isn't a good idea and learn from this. But people can yell at them about that later after the real present problem is gone.


edit: And that response to me reads like a whole lot of nothing and just space filler for lack of a real counterpoint.

Crying and calling it racist that it's being called a chinese virus even though that's where the current strain started is even worse.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by The Deadman

Crying and calling it racist that it's being called a chinese virus even though that's where the current strain started is even worse.

But it is racist. Calling it "Chinese Virus", "Wuhan Flu" or "Kung-Flu" have zero value. Naming a illness or a virus after a country or nationality is specifically done to instill racism and othering.

Just like the 1918 H1N1 influenza virus, being called The Spanish Flu