What are your biggest disappointments with the MCU?

[Andrew NDB]

I'll go first with mine, in order of what disappoints me the most to disappoints me the least.

1. Ed Norton's recasting as Hulk. I get it, but seeing him in the Avengers was the biggest thing I was looking forward to. Sidenote: also the complete forgetting about the character of Betty, after Incredible Hulk.

2. The disconnect between the TV and movies. I would've lost my sh** in Infinity War or Endgame if Jon Bernthal's Punisher popped out and started blasting Thanos troops, or seeing the Charlie Cox Daredevil saving some people on a street or something. I don't think this was ever too much to ask. I know the new Disney+ series will be far more interconnected with the films but this should have been the case all along, as they originally promised us.

3. Iron Man 3. It learned nothing from the mistakes of 2 and even double-downed on them. Also, huge disappointment on the Mandarin.

4. Thor 3. A largely brain dead summer actioner that just repeats the same "I need to prove myself worthy!" story from the first movie. With more laughs and none of the supporting characters from 1 or 2 except Loki. Thor 2 was flawed but deserved a proper follow-up.

5. No Death in Infinity War or Endgame. I thought for sure they'd reposition Hela from Thor 3 as Death (I thought that was the whole point in getting Blanchett at all) if not introduce Death herself... well, turns out none of the above, folks. No Death at all, even though she was like the sole motivating factor for Thanos in the comics. I guess we can thank China for that, or rather Disney's insistence on kowtowing to their weird sensibilities (no occult, skulls, ghosts, etc.).

6. Hulk and Thor's treatment in Endgame. Basically, they took the manliest characters of the Avengers... made one a weakened intellectual (Hulk) and made the other one a fat, depressed beer swiller (Thor). And to boot, they make another one a retired old man (Cap) handing his shield off to a person of color, even though that's not the way it shook out in the comics (at least, not in this order). And after that "preview" of a fight between Hulk and Thanos in Infinity War, I thought for sure there'd be a main event in Endgame. Turns out there was nothing at all. Just an "Endgame" for toxic masculinity, instead.

7. The Marvel Netflix decline. Daredevil season 1? AWESOME. Daredevil season 2? Pretty cool! Daredevil season 3? Maybe a LITTLE bit of a step back in some ways, but nice. Jessica Jones season 1? Cool! I dig it as the start of her arc. 2 and 3? Uh... no. No, not good. The people in charge seem to delight in not allowing her to evolve, just keeping her the same from beginning to end. Would've been nice to see a greater usage of her powers. Also, 2 and 3 seemed more interested in feminism than actually growing Jessica. Iron Fist? Both seasons were pretty OK... but I am NOT a fan of him having no costume. He SHOULD wear one. I also didn't appreciate him being emasculated in that 2nd season. Luke Cage 1 and 2? Both pretty cool, especially 1. Punisher season 1 and 2? WOW. It is actually criminal that we may never see the Bernthal Punisher again. Picture perfect casting and nicely executed (and brutal!) stories. Defenders? A SHAM! And the whole build-up to "is he ready for when the gate opens!" from Daredevil season 1 was completely ignored. Also, Marvel Netflix/Disney or whoever clearly fell on their sword to all the SJWs complaining about the evil Japanese ninja clan in Daredevil season 1 and 2 being Japanese. Morons.

8. No real advancement on Deadpool 3 yet. C'mon. You guys promised. Give us something here.

9. Agents of SHIELD. I still watch it and enjoy it... but its become a shell of its former self. It peaked in season 3, I think, with the alien planet and the living embodiment of HYDRA being the bad guy. Season 2 was awesome, too, with Kyle freakin' MacLachlan as Daisy's dad. We even had Samuel L. Jackson show up a couple of times and even Bill Paxton as an ongoing villain. For the last few seasons they must have had their budget hamstringed or something and it's all kind of by-the-numbers plot-driven stuff (rife with a lot of snarky SJW-type dialogue lately), no more character-driven stuff, and I think that really hurt things. Season 4 restored SHIELD to good public standing then it was almost as immediately yanked away... I've been waiting since season 1 for things to be restored to normality but it never seems to be in the cards.

[ZariusTwo]

Most of the MCU movies just aren't timeless. They've dated horribly over the last decade, the humour is too quirky and comes close to Family Guy levels at times.

Each film's story doesn't get talked about much on it's own merits by it's audience, all they quote are the jokes or the memetic lines, all they care about is the post-credit scene and discussing the next disappointment to come. There is nothing to hook them in the main feature, and whatever does isn't related to some weighty moral or captivating character arc, it's whatever stupid fart or pop culture joke the characters crack.

There are just so few journies in these movies you can be taken on. At a stretch, Tony is the best realised in the MCU, but even he doesn't really have a low point even in the films where he's supposed to because nobody stays mad at him for long enough.

[Sumac]

Lack of Death in Infinity War / Endgame.
While I understand that for some people it might look to quirky, I mean, nigh invulnerable monster is trying to destroy universe to woo his waifu, it would have been better than pseudo-scientific explanation about "halving population of the universe slows entropy and waster of resources". Especially in the movie series where you have a talking racoon and a sentient tree.

And over all, lack of stakes. MCU movies never feel like there is a genuine threat. It is obvious that by the end all characters gonna become friends again and only insignificant characters gonna die.

There are plenty of movies where you know that main character gonna survive no matter what, yet you worry for them. MCU just leaves me completely disinterested in that regard.
It feels like a kid's cartoon almost.

[Galactus]

1. This may sound really trivial but the lack of wings on Captain America's helmet. I definitely think his Avengers 2012 costume should have included them given how much more the suit was trying to invoke patriotic super hero imagery over military garb. I know that it may look very stupid but the CW Flash for all its faults made the lightning bolts on the cowl work and one of those Batintgesun videos gave us a great Marvel Now inspired Cap but with the raised wings and it looked great so it can be done.

2. I definitely wanted a real Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The twist was actually funny and one of the better parts of the movie but it wasn't worth not having a proper Mandarin. Even if I'm not a huge fan of the character it would have been great to see a battle with a mystically charged foe. They could have even worked it that he charged his rings with an Infinity Stone.

3. How badly botched the whole situation with the Inhumans was. Not a huge fan but I have a certain fondness for the characters and would like to have seen them in the MCU. However their hamfisted push for them in comics created this resentment that they were trying to replace the X-Men and in the end it seemed Marvel just caved and relegated them to a crappy 10$ budget TV series. I was also a fan on Hickman's Infinity series which was a clear influence on Infinity a War. I would have liked to have seen more of that. Black Bolt destroying Attilan to keep it from falling to Thanos would have been cool to see in a movie.

Beyond that just better movies for the ones I was less fond of. Iron Man 2, The Dark World. This is a hugely normie opinion but Marvel studios have yet to give us a properly bad movie so I can't complain too much but yeah this is what I'd change.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Galactus

This is a hugely normie opinion but Marvel studios have yet to give us a properly bad movie

There's been several. People just won't admit it.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's been several. People just won't admit it.

People don't tend to admit to things they don't actually believe.

[Cure]

Spider-Man Homecoming is trash and so is Thor 3. Never saw the second Spider-Man because of how mad the first one made me. Nothing else besides that for me.

Well, no. A theme across most of the movies I can do without is how everything is a joke. I need less hyucks.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

1. The tone of all the movies. I want fewer jokes and more stakes. It seems that when they play up the stakes, it's ruined a second later by some lame 'joke' that ruins all the build up

2. The samey style for all the movies. I'm all for consistency. but perhaps the MCU is 'too' consistence in how the movies look and feel. Sure, Winter Soldier the guardians movies and Thor 3 all seem to look different, but they don't look different enough.

Also, Captain Marvel is by far the worst Marvel 'movie'.

[neatoman]

Well the weakest movies in order of release are:

• The Incredible Hulk
• Iron Man 2
• Iron Man 3
• Thor: The Dark World
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Black Panther
• Captain Marvel

I'm not adding TV shows to that list because let's face it, they are probably going to be treated as non-canon down the line.

In terms of creative descisions I don't like:

• The design of the Abomination
• Completely ignoring foreshadowing of the Leader
• The aliens in Avengers basically being a generic force created for that movie
• Writing out SHIELD as it was a secret HYDRA thing
• Zola being killed off and never getting his robot body
• Ultron being about as definitively as possible in his first appearence
• Giving every single character in GotG overly simplified backstories (yes, I get that making Gamora from the future and Drax a human recreated by an Eternal might be confusing to explain in one movie but all things considered...)
• Turning the Eye of Agamotto into a time travel device
• Effectively turning Spider-Man into Iron Man Jr.
• Having Flash be a rich spiteful nerd who would obviously never join the military
• Making the Grandmaster an idiot manchild
• The uh... Hrm... Awkwardness... of Black Panther... Hrm...
• Removing Death, thereby making Thanos' reasoning a bit more nonsensical
• Making Nick Fury lose an eye to a cat
• Making the villainous elements of the Skrull a total lie by the Kree
• Making Carol's backstory so weak
• Killing off Mar-Vell off in such an undignified way
• Literally just using the name and species of Talos for a new character
• A damn video game amnesia plot
• Carol's powers being held back by little nub on the neck
• Effectively removing the possibility of Genis-Vell, Phyla-Vell and Teddy Altman from ever showing up
• Casting Brie Larson
• Introducing the concept of alternate timelines in the movie they need it
• Seemingly confirming that they'll never use Hydro-Man (I know I'm in the minority who care about Hydro-Man but still)
• Deciding to go with a secret identity revealed twist so soon

[sdp]

Movies are entertaining but ultimately forgettable, there's a reason why DC films are still talked about despite supposedly being inferior to Marvel films, with Marvel you just want the latest, like a soap opera but how many are as rewatchable as the original Iron Man?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by sdp

Movies are entertaining but ultimately forgettable, there's a reason why DC films are still talked about despite supposedly being inferior to Marvel films, with Marvel you just want the latest, like a soap opera but how many are as rewatchable as the original Iron Man?

Captain America: Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War (mostly)
Infinity War (kinda)

That's about it

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There's been several. People just won't admit it.

When Iron Man 3 came out most people were towing the line, posting everywhere "the best Marvel movie yet!" and other nonsense.

That movie was complete ****. It's almost irredeemable.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Well the weakest movies in order of release are:

• The Incredible Hulk
• Iron Man 2
• Iron Man 3
• Thor: The Dark World
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Black Panther
• Captain Marvel

I agree with the others on your list but what was weak about Black Panther? It blows the others on that list out of the water.

[Coola Yagami]

I loved Black Panther. Killmonger and Klaw stole every scene they were in.

I guess my disappointments were

-Iron Man 3

-Other than Loki, and I guess Klaw and Crossbones, no other villains survive long enough to return or do a villain team-up or anything. Even Klaw and Crossbones return only to die anyways.

-Bringing back Ross was ok but really wanted to see Abomination return somewhere, even if he's a hired gun or brainwashed or whatever

-The fact Betty Ross was also forgotten. Between that and Abomination it really makes that Hulk movie feel like it doesn't belong. Like the only two things linking it are Ross coming back and Tony's post credit cameo in that one.

-Where's Lady Sith?

-Could have gone without the Black Widow and Hulk attempt at romance. It was out of left field. I mean I guess since she was the one to seek him out in the first Avengers, maybe, but I don't remember anything past that moment that would have hinted her having feelings for him. And again, Banner acts as if Betty doesn't even exist, which would have been a good chance to at least bring her up. Hell, now that Professor Hulk was a celeb of sorts, Betty could have seeked him out assuming she wasn't snapped.

-Wish there was more crossover between Agents of SHIELD and the movies. Really wanted an extra scene of the Defenders trying to keep things under control street side during the Infinity War movies. Like the theater would have lost their ****.

[Galactus]

When Nat seeks out Banner in the first Avengers movie he holds a cradle "we don't always get what we want" so yeah the whole romance and not being able to have kids was always Whedon's plan.

That being said I didn't really care for it. Maybe Scarlett's pregnancy affected what they could do but I didn't think her and Mark Ruffallo had any real chemistry.

[Allio]

I guess I always found MCU always kind of ?okay? so really I never really paid much attention.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

1. The whole M.J. character in the MCU Spider-Man. I know that they said that the love interest that they chose is not Mary Jane but you still alluded to the fact that her name was M.J. Like if she's an entirely different character, why bother giving her the nickname in the first place. Not to mention, she's a very wooden and disturbed character. Like if you combined Plank from Ed, Edd, n Eddy with Raven from Teen Titans into one person, this is the result. She's "M.J." in name only.

2. While I don't find the Spider-Man films awful, they're not very ambitious. You have Peter back to being a teenage again, why? It's been done to death already. And both movies keep treating him like he's Iron Man's protege.

3. This is a bit pedantic but the final battle scene in The Incredible Hulk. Not necessarily how it went down but how it was shot. There were quite a number of inconsistencies during that fight. When Hulk kicks Blonsky, he kicks him to the right of the scene but then it cuts to him landing to the left when he hits the tree. Just a bit of weird editing shots for me, personally.

4. The CGI in Black Panther. Something about the effects were out of place with what this movie was going for. The last fight scene in particular was shockingly bad for an MCU film.

5. I really didn't care for Captain Marvel. It's not objectively a bad film but it was pretty boring in a lot of aspects. Pretty weak that a space cat was responsible for Nick Fury's eye...come on! Also didn't help that the protagonist wasn't very likable, which was an apparent problem with Brie Larson and her comments on white men before the movie was released. I would say that I was looking forward to seeing how she was teased as the key to beating Thanos but I was kinda split on the matter after both her solo movie and Endgame. On one hand, her movie didn't get me excited for her to show up since she didn't really have much character growth. On the other, she only fights him for 20 seconds and even she gets her ass handed to her. So they hyped this character up for nothing. Maybe she was mishandled but in the end, she turned out to be a character I couldn't care less about.

I guess movies such as Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, and Avengers Age of Ultron were pretty much on the weak side. The first two Thor movies weren't great but I got a bit more enjoyment out of those.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

1. The whole M.J. character in the MCU Spider-Man. I know that they said that the love interest that they chose is not Mary Jane but you still alluded to the fact that her name was M.J. Like if she's an entirely different character, why bother giving her the nickname in the first place. Not to mention, she's a very wooden and disturbed character. Like if you combined Plank from Ed, Edd, n Eddy with Raven from Teen Titans into one person, this is the result. She's "M.J." in name only.

2. While I don't find the Spider-Man films awful, they're not very ambitious. You have Peter back to being a teenage again, why? It's been done to death already. And both movies keep treating him like he's Iron Man's protege.

3. This is a bit pedantic but the final battle scene in The Incredible Hulk. Not necessarily how it went down but how it was shot. There were quite a number of inconsistencies during that fight. When Hulk kicks Blonsky, he kicks him to the right of the scene but then it cuts to him landing to the left when he hits the tree. Just a bit of weird editing shots for me, personally.

4. The CGI in Black Panther. Something about the effects were out of place with what this movie was going for. The last fight scene in particular was shockingly bad for an MCU film.

5. I really didn't care for Captain Marvel. It's not objectively a bad film but it was pretty boring in a lot of aspects. Pretty weak that a space cat was responsible for Nick Fury's eye...come on! Also didn't help that the protagonist wasn't very likable, which was an apparent problem with Brie Larson and her comments on white men before the movie was released. I would say that I was looking forward to seeing how she was teased as the key to beating Thanos but I was kinda split on the matter after both her solo movie and Endgame. On one hand, her movie didn't get me excited for her to show up since she didn't really have much character growth. On the other, she only fights him for 20 seconds and even she gets her ass handed to her. So they hyped this character up for nothing. Maybe she was mishandled but in the end, she turned out to be a character I couldn't care less about.

I guess movies such as Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3, and Avengers Age of Ultron were pretty much on the weak side. The first two Thor movies weren't great but I got a bit more enjoyment out of those.

I'm not 100% if maybe Carol had more of a fight scene with Thanos or not, but I know everyone hated the Roman Reigns Push she was getting both in the comics and the movie, so people would have rioted if they made her whup Thanos' ass as if he were nothing.

I'm glad Tony got to finish it. The whole MCU started with his movie. Throughout the series from having panic attacks in IM3 to the creation of Ultron, Tony was always in fear of what would come next from space. And seeing that Thanos was behind the alien invasion in Avengers, it made sense Tony gave his life to put his fear to rest and wipe him out.

[Autbot_Benz]

Smart Hulk. Hulk isn't some Selfie taking dabbing taco making idiot. He is the green rage monster. They did cut out the scene of banner and hulk coming to terms and coming together which I wish was left in the movie.


Everyone hating on Thor Rangarok blah I say. its the best Thor movie and reinvented the character. Hemsworth was sick of playing him as the straight shakespearean god and wanted to do something different. Also that movie gave us Jeff Goldblum's awesome Grandmaster Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie and Korg 3 which are 3 fan favorite characters.

My Gripe is characters that haven't been brought into the MCU yet that should have. Mainly Adam Warlock and Beta Ray Bill (Hopes Beta will be in Love and Thunder)

I agree with everyone about Captain Marvel's Standalone movie it was just average nothing special. she was much cooler in Endgame and I agree fans would have revolted if she beat thanos instead of Tony.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I agree with the others on your list but what was weak about Black Panther? It blows the others on that list out of the water.

Well, some of the flaws of the movie are... Awkward... To adress, so I'm not going to talk about them openly considering what kind of discussion that could lead to. If you really want to know about that, PM me. I'm not pointing out those flaws here.

But the ones I'm willing to adress here are:

• The opening scene in the 90's is way too hamfisted as foreshadowing. We know Killmonger must have something to do with it long before he admits to being the traitor's son. The scene would otherwise have been pointless.
• There is also no reason for the King to lie about what happened. His brother was a traitor and was killed when he retaliated, there is no need to cover that up.
• Killmonger's makes very little sense. He had the tattoo that gives him passage into Wakanda and didn't need much proof that he's royalty. There should be any need to do anything but show up.
• The way Klaw acts is quite a leap from Age of Ultron, it feels like we missed some movie in between were he went nuts (and no, having a robot rip off your arm is not a satisfying explaination).
• Many of these issues I covered already seems to stem from a need for filler. If none of it happened then you'd end up with a movie that's about one hour long. As result of the filler, the movie has rather terrible pacing.
• There are also several points of questionable CGI particularily in the final battle.

The script is obviously pretty terrible and it's mostly the action scenes that entertain. Which, given that it's primarily an action movie, makes it somewhat forgiveable. But I can't really say it's more than mediocre overall.