What are your biggest disappointments with the MCU?

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Wrong thread, buddy, nobody's doing that. We're just talking.

Your trolling efforts lately have been very, very weak. Go recharge and try again. I think your craft peaked somewhere in early-June but since then it's been tepid. Just sayin'.

That trailer air is getting to your head sunshine. You were all giggles and smirks until I stomped on your precious Snyder cut, then poof - snowflake.

Get it together Karen.

[AquaParade]

It’s really hard for me to complain at this point. I mean, I could critique these movies all day, and I do enjoy the discussion, but lately I‘m just in awe of what they have accomplished.

I like to think of how blown away I’d be if I had fallen into a coma around 2008 and had just awoken when someone handed me the MCU box-set. Like, suddenly my disappointments turn to dust. It’s just really cool what they’ve done and while I don’t enjoy them all, a few have become favorites.

[Andrew NDB]

Someone mentioned the CGI in Black Panther. Yeah, the fight with Black Panther vs. Killmonger looked pretty bad.

Beyond that, though, I didn't like the sudden introduction of nanite suits that just form together. And what, for thousands of years they've just worn regular, traditional suits (like he wore in Civil War)... and suddenly they just invent the nanite suits? Just in time for the Black Panther movie?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Someone mentioned the CGI in Black Panther. Yeah, the fight with Black Panther vs. Killmonger looked pretty bad.

Beyond that, though, I didn't like the sudden introduction of nanite suits that just form together. And what, for thousands of years they've just worn regular, traditional suits (like he wore in Civil War)... and suddenly they just invent the nanite suits? Just in time for the Black Panther movie?

Yeah... In Black Panther I sort of figured it was basically Vibrinanium wankery, that they needed some tangible reason why Vibranium is "totes teh best material evar".

But Infinity War happened where Iron Man has a nanosuit and according to the official timeline, Black Panther only takes place a short while before Infinty War. This means one of the following happened:

• A. Shuri and Tony made similar Tech around the same time.
• B. Tony's tech was known and Shuri just copied it.
• C. Shuri shared her tech and Tony figured out how to do it right away without vibranium (I think).

So in at least two of these scenarios, Vibranium isn't necessary. So I'm guessing the special properties it has is just that it's durable and a little easier to make advanced stuff with? In any case, T'Challa's suit is still objectively worse as it's still seemingly just basic armor protection.

And speaking of Vibranium and retcons, what happened to the promise of using it to aid the world? A five year skip after a major catastrophe and we see no signs of this aid? I'm gueessing whoever ruled when T'Challa was blipped didn't respect his wishes.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TommyT

That trailer air is getting to your head sunshine. You were all giggles and smirks until I stomped on your precious Snyder cut, then poof - snowflake.

Get it together Karen.

I live here. Not bragging, just explaining. "Trailer air". You're alright, you.

My thing with you is that sometimes you have solid insight and other times it's like you wanna tweak peoples' nipples for no reason. That's all it is. I like the first guy better than the second one. No heat, just explaining.

[TommyT]

If you were brutally honest, the way you are with almost anything else, you'd maybe see Snyder is like just about anything else, maybe a bit worse.

See you, you're smart, smarter than most on the board, and yeah, you know that. Ok cool, but then you apply that intelligence to defending silly things, things that in large parts are not well crafted, and for some reason you're not applying the clear critical eye to things that deserve it.

So Marvel didn't hue to the comics. So what? neither did Snyder. Both have references and Easter eggs an nods. Both took liberties.

Here's my beef - I think, maybe, just maybe, you like the doom/gloom supposed realist take. I also think, that isn't at all what made you love Superman to begin with, because it can't be, because that's not who he was, is or should be. Maybe you hate people, and maybe I do too, but maybe Superman shouldn't. Maybe that's the whole rasion de etre of the idea. Maybe.

So hate Thor for not being a two dimensional mid century pastiche if you want, but it's not fair to lambast one, while exalting on the other (Superman), both are guilty of the same crime.

Stay consistent Constance. Nice garden BTW.

[Coola Yagami]

It's also difficult to see where we go from here. Spider-Man Far From Home was perfect way to end the series as saw the aftermath to Infinity War/End Game and how people reacted to half the population suddenly vanishing and suddenly coming back. I liked some of the little things like the younger brother now looking more like an older brother since he continued to age while the one that vanished and came back never did, or the wife that used this as a way to leave her husband and junk like that. If it weren't for the cliffhanger ending it woulda been perfect.

The only 2 MCU movies I wanna see now are Black Widow and Spider-Man 3 (to see how he gets out of that mess). I'm curious how they're gonna play Black Widow, and if the 'post credit' scene thing will end seeing as there isn't that major movie to lead up to anymore. I personally wouldn't mind if it was some of the old crew giving her a secret funeral.

Unlike Tony, Widow was technically not supposed to 'exist' to the common person, so no funeral for her makes sense. I would love if her movie ended with the remaining crew paying their respects to her in private, along with some of the new characters introduced in this movie.

No interest in seeing Captain Marvel 2 unless the rumors about Rogue and other X-Men characters being true. I feel her sequel is gonna be another shitstorm. Larson and her fanbase are in denial that her movie was mediocre and the ONLY reason is made box office was cause it was the last movie before End Game and people wanted to see any clues or that sweet sweet post credit scene. Same thing if the rumors are true in the sequel, that movie will do well, but not cause of you Larson, it would be cause of Rogue and X-Men hints.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by TommyT

If you were brutally honest, the way you are with almost anything else, you'd maybe see Snyder is like just about anything else, maybe a bit worse.

See you, you're smart, smarter than most on the board, and yeah, you know that. Ok cool, but then you apply that intelligence to defending silly things, things that in large parts are not well crafted, and for some reason you're not applying the clear critical eye to things that deserve it.

So Marvel didn't hue to the comics. So what? neither did Snyder. Both have references and Easter eggs an nods. Both took liberties.

Here's my beef - I think, maybe, just maybe, you like the doom/gloom supposed realist take. I also think, that isn't at all what made you love Superman to begin with, because it can't be, because that's not who he was, is or should be. Maybe you hate people, and maybe I do too, but maybe Superman shouldn't. Maybe that's the whole rasion de etre of the idea. Maybe.

So hate Thor for not being a two dimensional mid century pastiche if you want, but it's not fair to lambast one, while exalting on the other (Superman), both are guilty of the same crime.

Stay consistent Constance. Nice garden BTW.

Nice projecting, but thanks for the compliments all the same.

Pretty sure you don't read comics, or as I've said elsewhere, you'd see how what you see as "Doom N Gloom" was always meant to be taken as "poignant and introspective", because That's Who The Character Is. But you've always been pretty outspoken on "I don't think I have to meet the creators halfway, and I don't care about their intentions, I just want my personal tastes catered to at all times", regardless of what topic is being discussed, whether it's TMNT or super-heroes, so no, I wouldn't expect you to take it that way. It's not what you, personally wanted, therefore, "I don't care if it's valid or authentic to the source, it's terrible because I don't like it." Okay. More End-User Problems. But kindly don't project that onto other people just because they see things from a perspective you don't share.

I'd like to either shift this part of the conversation elsewhere or drop it because this isn't the thread for it. I was specifically addressing something Spike Siegel mentioned which was tangentially relevant to the topic at hand, but that's been said and done. The last thing this board or this planet needs is more "I Hate Zack Snyder And If You Don't Then You're An Idiot" stuff. Spike made a point, I extrapolated upon that point, and now we've moved on. Kindly stop trying to turn a thread that's thus far been a lighthearted exchange of ideas into yet another Argument Thread just because you don't like a director. I have my own opinions about how Taika Waititi directs movies, and they're probably just as negative as your Snyder opinions, but out of respect for those who like his work, I'm not banging that drum because it's not entirely relevant. All I'm going to say, unless pressed, is that "It doesn't work for me, brother" because anything else is subjective sh*t-stirring and I've been trying to be better about that in my old age. If you can't see the line between "Doesn't work for me" and "This is flat-out garbage", you need personal growth, I'm sorry.

Now, going forward, if you're hellbent on trying to convince me that I don't understand who Superman should be or why my taste in movies isn't up to your arbitrary standards, I've cleaned out some space in my PM box, so feel free to "correct" me there if you absolutely must. It's highly likely that I've both read more comics and seen more movies in my lifetime than you have, but it's always amusing when people try to "educate" me on a subject just because we don't share an opinion. It's fun watching people punch upwards, sometimes. Like when people who've never had a match try and tell me how wrestling should work. I'm open to it, but I mostly just sigh. But by all means, you clearly think you're right, so feel free to continue this back-and-forth with me in the appropriate venue rather than trying to derail this thread. I don't think anyone appreciates it.

So yeah, PM me if you MUST continue trying to make whatever point you're trying to make. It's your quarter. As usual, I'm just kinda bemused why anyone actually gives This Much Of A F*ck what I'm into or why they take offense. You want me to share your values and standards, I guess? Why? We're never gonna meet, it's irrelevant. Clearly it bothers you, but... I fail to see why. ((Shrug))

You're a sharp cat too, but I wish you applied yourself less to being a salty biscuit because it's unbecoming and I personally feel it's beneath you, based on the times when I've seen you actually carry a conversation without venom. You're committed to the Internet Snark Boss bit, for sure, but why anyone does that, I'll never ever know. Feel free to try and make me understand that, too, should you become inclined to continue this chat in private.

In brief: I kinda like you in spite of yourself, probably more than anyone else here does if we're being honest. But sometimes, you make that very difficult with how you choose to speak to people, not limited to but including myself.
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Also, though, thanks, it's a nice yard. It's my mother-in-law's garden and she works very hard on it. If it were up to me there'd be a pool there.

F*cking ten grand a year property taxes, there ought'a be virgins peeling grapes back there. At least I can see horses through the fence. Very tranquil.
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Anyways. PM me if you must, otherwise I prefer to let this thread go back to its original function as it was in no way my intent to derail it in the first place. I was merely expanding on someone else's point, not summoning the cultures. Maybe I should've known better, but what can I say? My faith in the goodness and civility of people rarely goes unpunished.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

No interest in seeing Captain Marvel 2 unless the rumors about Rogue and other X-Men characters being true. I feel her sequel is gonna be another shitstorm. Larson and her fanbase are in denial that her movie was mediocre and the ONLY reason is made box office was cause it was the last movie before End Game and people wanted to see any clues or that sweet sweet post credit scene. Same thing if the rumors are true in the sequel, that movie will do well, but not cause of you Larson, it would be cause of Rogue and X-Men hints.

I didn't see the first one - I kinda never cared about "Captain Copyright Loophole" (Captain Marvel is the guy in the red suit with the lightning bolt, and I'll go to my goddamn grave saying so) - but I think you're right on with this. I never hear anyone talking about that movie, and barely heard anyone talking about the movie when it came out, even - just people talking about Brie Larson and how she behaved in interviews, but NOT the movie itself- and I completely feel that its box office was greatly enhanced by being the last pre-Endgame movie.

Maybe it was good, maybe it wasn't, I don't know, BUT, my gut tells me it only hit that gross because it was positioned correctly for maximum impact. And I think if the X-Men characters rumor turns out to be true, it'll be another case in point.

I get why they need to "protect" that character, since they need their own Wonder Woman/"Strong Feminist Icon who can also pack in a crowd", but it felt a lot more organic with Wonder Woman than it did with that movie/character. It's like Hulk Hogan's totally organic rise in popularity between 1980-1984, versus Ultimate Warrior's completely manufactured rise between 1988-1990. Hogan got over because people liked him, Warrior got over because people were TOLD to like him. Kinda the same thing.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I didn't see the first one - I kinda never cared about "Captain Copyright Loophole" (Captain Marvel is the guy in the red suit with the lightning bolt, and I'll go to my goddamn grave saying so) - but I think you're right on with this. I never hear anyone talking about that movie, and barely heard anyone talking about the movie when it came out, even - just people talking about Brie Larson and how she behaved in interviews, but NOT the movie itself- and I completely feel that its box office was greatly enhanced by being the last pre-Endgame movie.

Maybe it was good, maybe it wasn't, I don't know, BUT, my gut tells me it only hit that gross because it was positioned correctly for maximum impact. And I think if the X-Men characters rumor turns out to be true, it'll be another case in point.

I get why they need to "protect" that character, since they need their own Wonder Woman/"Strong Feminist Icon who can also pack in a crowd", but it felt a lot more organic with Wonder Woman than it did with that movie/character. It's like Hulk Hogan's totally organic rise in popularity between 1980-1984, versus Ultimate Warrior's completely manufactured rise between 1988-1990. Hogan got over because people liked him, Warrior got over because people were TOLD to like him. Kinda the same thing.

That's how people feel about Roman Reigns, people were TOLD to like him and they weren't havin' it.

And Carol, despite having comics upon comics cancelled cause no one would buy them, is continued to be pushed to the forefront cause Marvel realized maybe 40 or so years too late that they didn't have an iconic woman for the franchise the way DC had Wonder Woman almost since day one.

I love Marvel but even I have to admit they dropped the ball there. Sure we had Storm, but she's with the X-Men and rarely had a solo series. She-Hulk, but she's a female Hulk. Wonder Woman was not Bagirl or Supergirl, she was her own unique thing with her own unique backstory.

This weird plan to somehow take Carol out of the Miss Marvel role and shove her into the Captain Marvel role and then push her to the forefront practically telling people either you like her or you hate all women is just not the way to do it Marvel.

[Leo656]

I was gonna say "What about She-Hulk?" but you kinda addressed it... although, she's barely anything like Hulk, character-wise, most of the time. I guess she's hardly "iconic" but she's one of the first Marvel Women I think of when asked. Plus, it doesn't hurt a thing that She-Hulk is deliberately super-hot.

Maybe that's why she can't be The One. A lot of the time she's cheesecake, and god knows we can't have THAT anymore. That's not ALL she is, but I guess the very fact that "She-Hulk is hot, and many characters in-story point it out and make reference to it" makes her just too "problematic" for the current model, under which it's shameful to accept and point out that good-looking people are, indeed, Good-Looking.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I was gonna say "What about She-Hulk?" but you kinda addressed it... although, she's barely anything like Hulk, character-wise, most of the time. I guess she's hardly "iconic" but she's one of the first Marvel Women I think of when asked. Plus, it doesn't hurt a thing that She-Hulk is deliberately super-hot.

Maybe that's why she can't be The One. A lot of the time she's cheesecake, and god knows we can't have THAT anymore. That's not ALL she is, but I guess the very fact that "She-Hulk is hot, and many characters in-story point it out and make reference to it" makes her just too "problematic" for the current model, under which it's shameful to accept and point out that good-looking people are, indeed, Good-Looking.

Which is why nowadays she regressed sort of into... well... a female Hulk. As in 'Hulk Smash', acting brutish and basically looking like Hulk with long hair and boobs.

Similar to Carol just suddenly losing her figure when she became Captain Marvel.

Marvel just had this weird kink lately where attractive-woman bad, mannish-woman good.

[ranger_scout]

I was only able to stomach through two viewings of Avengers: Infinity War and I don?t know if I can ever watch it again. Mark Ruffalo’s performance in it is way too hammy and cartoonish. It made me feel uncomfortable. His portrayal of Banner/Hulk in that movie was a mesh of both Jim Carrey and Bette Midler. I can handle one, but not both. Another huge disappointment with the MCU is how unprofessional Joss Whedon, the director of the first two Avengers, is. He never once apologized for his revolting behavior on social media. At least James Gunn did for his own behavior and he does seem to have learned his lesson.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Which is why nowadays she regressed sort of into... well... a female Hulk. As in 'Hulk Smash', acting brutish and basically looking like Hulk with long hair and boobs.

Similar to Carol just suddenly losing her figure when she became Captain Marvel.

Marvel just had this weird kink lately where attractive-woman bad, mannish-woman good.

The Left would prefer to see humanity "evolve" into androgynous, amorphous, figure-less gray blobs so that everything is entirely Neutral, and the less physically-fortunate among us no longer need to feel bad. That's entirely it.

Never mind that we all accepted long ago that such tastes are subjective even if and when there's a consensus on who's considered "beautiful" in general; there can be a consensus but that in no way means that ONLY people in that category can ever be considered attractive. But that's not good enough. Nobody can be allowed to be "beautiful", because some people aren't and it makes them feel bad. Nothing that makes anyone feel bad can be tolerated even a little, and so we all have to be forced into a standard set solely for the purpose of making the physically "Meh" have better self-esteem.

It's screwy, but a bunch of kids who got made fun of in school for being Too Fat, Too Skinny, Too Ugly, Too Nerdy, or whatever else are the people holding all of the pens now, and they want recompense.

We wouldn't be in that kind of situation if people were more secure in themselves, and also accepted the fact that no matter how attractive you are or aren't, there's always someone better and always someone worse, anyway, so overreacting out of spite helps no one. But nah. "Some girls are prettier than me, nobody should ever be allowed to be pretty." That's the rule. So sayeth all the girls who had to settle for Flag Corps when they wanted to be cheerleaders, who all now work for Disney.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I missed this thread until now, but here's my $0.02, in no particular order...

Captain America 3 being Civil War and an Avengers movie, not a straight "The Search for Bucky" story.

Hardly any Scarlet Witch, and killing Quicksilver (a speedster too slow to avoid bullets... how stupid)

Iron Man 3 and the "Mandarin"

Captain Marvel, the entire movie. Snoozefest.

No Black Widow movie until AFTER she dies?

The humor. Just fvcking ALL the humor. Especially in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Avengers Endgame, and Thor 3 Ragnarok.

Turning Drax the Destroyer and Thor God of Thunder into doofuses who tell dumb jokes.

The villains almost always suck. Malekith especially... they did my man Christopher Eccleston so, so wrong.

No Incredible Hulk 2.

Losing Lady Sif, and replacing her with Valkyrie. Also, Thor giving up his entire kingdom to go play space pirate.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I missed this thread until now, but here's my $0.02, in no particular order...

Ah! You bring up some things that I omitted.

Hardly any Scarlet Witch, and killing Quicksilver (a speedster too slow to avoid bullets... how stupid)

Which I thought for SURE would come up in the Infinity War/Endgame saga. Like, Thanos would bring him back to life and try and play Scarlet Witch against everybody. Or something. Anything along those lines.

Like everything else I mentioned... just turns out to be NOTHING. I guess Whedon just really wanted to kill him? Weird. Senseless.

Captain Marvel, the entire movie. Snoozefest.

I don't mind it as much as I want to. I mostly just don't like how that final battle went down. Lame.

No Black Widow movie until AFTER she dies?

Still betting there's something going on there. I could be very wrong, as I've been about almost every MCU prediction. apparently.

The humor. Just fvcking ALL the humor. Especially in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Avengers Endgame, and Thor 3 Ragnarok.

Especially Thor 3.

No Incredible Hulk 2.

A bit weird, isn't it? Marvel was able to play ball with Universal on things... but just a hard no go from Disney? Why?

Losing Lady Sif, and replacing her with Valkyrie.

Yes! Yes! I wish I'd mentioned this. From what I can tell it's literally like the actress was punished because she appeared on Agents of SHIELD twice. I guess she was asked to return for Thor 3 for something small... though I'm pretty sure it was intended to be something like the scene where the warriors are quickly killed by Hela.

Also, Thor giving up his entire kingdom to go play space pirate.[/B]

Yeah, getting pretty tired of Thor dallying about "maybe I take up the throne" and then "nah."

[drgon78]

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy I agree with everything you just said.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like everything else I mentioned... just turns out to be NOTHING. I guess Whedon just really wanted to kill him? Weird. Senseless.

That was soooo stupid. I really hate studio dick-waving matches.

Frankly, I was never in love with the "Quicksilver" in the X-Men movies like everyone else is/was - he's a Set Piece, not a "character", and it's a funny gag but they recycled it to the point where it wasn't as funny or memorable after the first time - so I was very wide open to seeing a new, and possible even better take on the character in "Age of Ultron".

Nope. "We're pissy about having to share rights to this character, so rather than just not use them, we're going to use them once - somewhat stupidly - and then just kill him off." To... accomplish what? To taint the name of the "Quicksilver" character, or something? That's all I can think of. "HAH! Those X-Men movies are so dumb, they're using a character that's such a scrub, he died in his first appearance in OUR movies, but in Those Movies he's a big player! HAH! They must have a weak crop of characters, huh? Cuz in our universe 'Quicksilver' is a loser! Nyah nyah!"

Had to be that. It's too much like when guys in TNA/Impact Wrestling are World Champion, then go to WWE and do nothing but look stupid... to prove that they're a "better" company. "Your company's Champ can't even beat our company's scrubs! What a joke!"

Same kind of petty nonsense. That was a real boner in my opinion. Not necessarily killing him off, but to have it be so pointless and apparently never even reference him again.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Frankly, I was never in love with the "Quicksilver" in the X-Men movies like everyone else is/was

Yeah. And he quickly became a joke. Like, "I wonder when the 1 Quicksilver running fast scene scene will be in this X-Men movie?"

[oldmanwinters]

Once a character is established to be as powerful as the X-movies made Quicksilver, you have to contrive reasons to sideline him for the decisive battles so that he doesn't single-handedly solve the main problem. Either it's "he just wants to go back home" (First Class) or "he got injured" (Dark Phoenix).