Apu To Be Dropped From The Simpsons

[neatoman]

Janey, Lisa's friend that the writers pretend doesn't exist whenever they do a "Lisa has no friends" episode. Which is quite a lot.

Lou, the cop who usually points out Wiggum's flaws.

Bleeding Gums Murphy, but he died early on.

The Judge, though he's not always black.

[CyberCubed]

Forgot about Lou, but he's the only other one that appears regularly.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The Mike Tyson parody character who doesn't show up anymore?

Drederick Tatum is still on the show. He literally showed up in the last episode that aired.

[Galactus]

If the worst SJW-ism does is a reshuffle a few cast members around in a show hardly anyone cares about anymore than it's hardly comparable to a swarm of locusts destroying everything it their path.

Like I said the show brought this on themselves. They could have responded to Hari Kondubalu's documentary in any way they wanted. They could have simply recast Apu (since Hank Azaria suggested that himself), they could had him change the voice to be less stereotypical, they could have added more poc characters voiced by actual poc. Hell they didn't need to do anything at all. It's THE SIMPSONS they could have just ignored it and it would have been fine. Aside from a few think pieces The Problem with Apu didn't make much of an impact on the wider conversation so they could have easily just ignored it.

It was their downright weird response a year after the documentary that made this explode to the the point that they now feel the need to over correct.

[DarkFell]

Leave it to a social fad to demolish another decent character. As for Apu, I liked that guy.

I take it that BumbleBee Man was taken off as well since he parodied El Chapulin Colorado?

https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Bumblebee_Man

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Galactus

If the worst SJW-ism does is a reshuffle a few cast members around in a show hardly anyone cares about anymore than it's hardly comparable to a swarm of locusts destroying everything it their path.

Like I said the show brought this on themselves. They could have responded to Hari Kondubalu's documentary in any way they wanted. They could have simply recast Apu (since Hank Azaria suggested that himself), they could had him change the voice to be less stereotypical, they could have added more poc characters voiced by actual poc. Hell they didn't need to do anything at all. It's THE SIMPSONS they could have just ignored it and it would have been fine. Aside from a few think pieces The Problem with Apu didn't make much of an impact on the wider conversation so they could have easily just ignored it.

It was their downright weird response a year after the documentary that made this explode to the the point that they now feel the need to over correct.

Naw the little Apu joke was fine, they should have just left it at that, ignored any further criticism and kept on going. Hell, Azaria shouldn't have even offered to change his voice or cast someone else. The Simpsons was supposed to be an edgey offensive show to begin with. If people were offended, boo-hoo, turn the TV off, and let them continue on with the show.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Galactus

If the worst SJW-ism does is a reshuffle a few cast members around in a show hardly anyone cares about anymore than it's hardly comparable to a swarm of locusts destroying everything it their path.

It sets a precedent for Twitter whiners and/or SJWs. "We can make a difference! Just look at the Simpsons and Cleveland!" etc..

Though yes, they didn't need to do anything at all. They shouldn't have done anything at all. Not even a statement, not a glance in the rearview, nothing.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

If the worst SJW-ism does is a reshuffle a few cast members around in a show hardly anyone cares about anymore than it's hardly comparable to a swarm of locusts destroying everything it their path.

Have you been in the bunker in the last few months?
Because, SJWs, sadly, got their ugly paws in many many things, not only probably the most famous cartoon series.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Naw the little Apu joke was fine, they should have just left it at that, ignored any further criticism and kept on going. Hell, Azaria shouldn't have even offered to change his voice or cast someone else. The Simpsons was supposed to be an edgey offensive show to begin with. If people were offended, boo-hoo, turn the TV off, and let them continue on with the show.

I tend to think Azaria felt genuinely upset that so many people of Indian and other South East Asian descent had such negative life experiences based on the Apu character.

I'm not sure the Simpsons was ever supposed to be offensive. It's edgy in the same way a Washington Post political cartoon is edgy. It's supposed to be wry and smart and that a response a year after everyone had forgotten about The Problem with Apu was anything but. It wasn't even a clap it basically saying; well you kinda have a point but we don't know an easy way to fix it so we not going to bother.

I hate to belabor the point if they had not come up with such a poor response there would not have such a backlash that coupled with recent real world events wouldn't have forced the show to do what I think most of us would agree to be over correction.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It sets a precedent for Twitter whiners and/or SJWs. "We can make a difference! Just look at the Simpsons and Cleveland!" etc..

Though yes, they didn't need to do anything at all. They shouldn't have done anything at all. Not even a statement, not a glance in the rearview, nothing.

But it's perfectly fine for twitter whiners to get the Snyder cut released? Let's be honest there is also a vague political motivation for that too. For all the people who genuinely liked what Synder movies (hello Leo and your 9 or so friends) the main reason it has a lot of support is they believe the Marvel movies are all liberal and indoctrinating the kids to liberal values and feminizing and all that **** thus we need to support the alternative.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Galactus

But it's perfectly fine for twitter whiners to get the Snyder cut released? Let's be honest there is also a vague political motivation for that too. For all the people who genuinely liked what Synder (hello Leo and your 9 or so friends) the main reason is the Marvel movies are all liberal and indoctrinating the kids to liberal values and feminizing and all that **** thus we need to support the alternative.

WoOoah.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Galactus

But it's perfectly fine for twitter whiners to get the Snyder cut released? Let's be honest there is also a vague political motivation for that too. For all the people who genuinely liked what Synder (hello Leo and your 9 or so friends) the main reason is the Marvel movies are all liberal and indoctrinating the kids to liberal values and feminizing and all that **** thus we need to support the alternative.

[Galactus]

I think I may have escalated things here.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I tend to think Azaria felt genuinely upset that so many people of Indian and other South East Asian descent had such negative life experiences based on the Apu character.

Maybe it should backwards?
Because, I seriously doubt anyone had their life ruined because of a character in satire cartoon.

Originally Posted by Galactus

But it's perfectly fine for twitter whiners to get the Snyder cut released? Let's be honest there is also a vague political motivation for that too. For all the people who genuinely liked what Synder movies (hello Leo and your 9 or so friends) the main reason it has a lot of support is they believe the Marvel movies are all liberal and indoctrinating the kids to liberal values and feminizing and all that **** thus we need to support the alternative.

I think you are high and need to take some rest. Also, stop drinking SJW kool-aid, it makes you stupid.

People wanted for Snyder-cut to be realized, because, original version was a trash. That's all there is to it. Also, if you think that anyone seriously expected it (or DC movies in general) to be an antithesis of the Marvel SJW friendly movies, you are delusional and definitely need to take a rest from leftard juice.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Maybe it should backwards?
Because, I seriously doubt anyone had their life ruined because of a character in satire

No one is saying that their lives were ruined by Apu but childhood bullying can stick with people into adulthood. Then there is Indian actors who have been turned down for roles because they didn't sound like Apu or making them sound like the character. It does show that this character had a big impact on how Indian people are perceived.

People wanted for Snyder-cut to be realized, because, original version was a trash. That's all there is to it. Also, if you think that anyone seriously expected it (or DC movies in general) to be an antithesis of the Marvel SJW friendly movies, you are delusional and definitely need to take a rest from leftard juice.

I'm genuinely happy that people who enjoyed Snyder's vision for the DCEU get to see a version of his Justice League realised. However it is true that the movement was propped up to some degree by people who simply don't like the Marvel movies because they perceive them to be spreading a 'liberal agenda' and spread conspiracy theories that Disney pays off critics and buying all the tickets to Captain Marvel etc.

[Leo656]

Wow, man, I always thought you were one of the better ones, and here you go taking cheap shots. What a shame. I do like knowing who the assholes are, but I'm always disappointed whenever it's someone I thought better of.

You're also a liar, since as I've pointed out before, MoS and BvS were both in the Top 20 Selling DVD and Blu-ray chart for several years, so "me and my 9 friends" must've bought a ton of copies each. I have... one each. Either my "friends" have been busy or you're just flat-out wrong. I wonder......

Obligatory "Literally millions of people like Zack's movies, they're just quiet about it because they don't like getting roped into arguments with sh*theads" Post Here. Thank you for once again proving my point with your unsolicited snarky jabs.

You're not "happy" for anyone or you wouldn't have bothered taking cheap shots, especially not calling someone out by name. Sorry someone put a bug in your ass, but kindly find more productive ways of dealing with it. Next time you "summon" me it had better be for a good reason.

Sigh. The people here disappoint me often, but surprise me never. C'est la vie.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

No one is saying that their lives were ruined by Apu but childhood bullying can stick with people into adulthood. Then there is Indian actors who have been turned down for roles because they didn't sound like Apu or making them sound like the character. It does show that this character had a big impact on how Indian people are perceived.

How or why character in a satire cartoon, where all characters are basically stereotypes and idiots can lead to bullying? By this logic all white people should be bullied because in the show most of them portrayed as fools.

Its basically "violent video games make people violent" or "if kids see sexy women in comic books they will become rapists" logic. And about actors...puh-lease. Actors are playing roles. Key word: playing. You don't need to be from India to play a person from India, as well, as you don't need to be white to voice a white character.

Would you rise this issue about FW Shredder who was voiced by a black actor? Should we collectively cry about "countless Asian actors" who were passed on this role?

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'm genuinely happy that people who enjoyed Snyder's vision for the DCEU get to see a version of his Justice League realised. However it is true that the movement was propped up to some degree by people who simply don't like the Marvel movies because they perceive them to be spreading a 'liberal agenda' and spread conspiracy theories that Disney pays off critics and buying all the tickets to Captain Marvel etc.

Man. Mate. Bro. Please, don't go full retard.

Do you really think anyone in their right mind can watch DC movies and think of them as anti-SJW compared to Marvel?

Also, it is well known that Disney and other big coproRATions are buying reviews. So, not really sure where is conspiracy in that.

Yes, to certain degree Snyder's cut is a win for the anti-SJW anti-censorship people, which is why journasluts went after WB and their fanbase, because, it goes against their narrative and they hate losing.

However, genesis of the Snyder's cut was WB desire to prop their own streaming service and not because they want to appease people who disliked OG cut or because they want to pander to anti-Marvel people. This is big business and most of the time it doesn't work to please fans.

[Leo656]

I think if Indian people were gonna raise hell about Apu being a poor representation of them, they missed the part where most of them actually sound much more like his brother Sanjay. In my experience more of them have a bit of a higher pitch in their voice.

.....What? It's merely an observation. I only worked with a few thousand of them over 10+ years, I'm not allowed to point out things I notice? Show me the rule, ump!

Perhaps Apu is a bit outdated. If the show was in development today he'd most likely design software or do IT, and he'd have lots of money and drive a BMW. At least if he lived around here.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Wow, man, I always thought you were one of the better ones, and here you go taking cheap shots. What a shame. I do like knowing who the assholes are, but I'm always disappointed whenever it's someone I thought better of.

I meant that you are one of the 10 or so people that liked Zack Snyder's DC's work. It was a poor attempt at a joke knowing you are the most well known and prolific defender of Zack's DCEU work. I apoligise.

You're also a liar, since as I've pointed out before, MoS and BvS were both in the Top 20 Selling DVD and Blu-ray chart for several years, so "me and my 9 friends" must've bought a ton of copies each. I have... one each. Either my "friends" have been busy or you're just flat-out wrong. I wonder......

Obligatory "Literally millions of people like Zack's movies, they're just quiet about it because they don't like getting roped into arguments with sh*theads" Post Here. Thank you for once again proving my point with your unsolicited snarky jabs.

You're not "happy" for anyone or you wouldn't have bothered taking cheap shots, especially not calling someone out by name. Sorry someone put a bug in your ass, but kindly find more productive ways of dealing with it. Next time you "summon" me it had better be for a good reason.

Sigh. The people here disappoint me often, but surprise me never. C'est la vie.

I appreciate that the DCEU is something you are very passionate about debating it has caused fall outs with people on here in the past so I should have known better than to make a joke about that. Still, I don't think it's lying at all to say that Snyder's vision for the DCEU just did not resonate with the public. It's hardly surprising that movies about the two biggest and most iconic super heroes in history were financially successful. Heck we've been discussing Joel Scumacher's Batman & Robin and it was mentioned that movie was a commercial success too and shifted a ton of merchandise. From a financial perspective there was zero reason to not to make a followup in the same vein except they (as I recall you put it) "read the room" which is exactly what WB did after the response to Batman v Superman.

The fact that it's done well on home media doesn't really mean much to me either. After all people are now burning and smashing their copies of Justice League. They bought it because they are collectors, fans of the director and various actors, to support the brand, the universe, their favourite characters etc. Now they are getting the 'real' version of the movie their trashing the one they bought. Their purchase can't have ever meant much.

Also this isn't really about Zack Snyder. His work isn't for me but he's a talented film maker I just don't think he's right for movies based on the DC stable of characters. Ironically I've avoided debating with you on the subject because I know it's something that has caused you grief in the past and you had enough people telling you you're wrong for liking these movies. I should have known better to bring your name into - again I apoligise.

Perhaps a better example to make my point would be...say Comicsgate. If you watched all the comicsgate youtubers back in the day it was clear that at least half the supportive comments were from people who didn't actually read comics but they saw a fledgling movement that intersected with their own and propped it up to achieve the wider political goals and it worked. They got Marvel to reverse coarse on a lot of creative decisions they disapproved of - including some which were financially successful for the company.

Bitching and moaning on social media does work. Sometimes it should/sometimes it shouldn't. I've made clear were I stand on the Apu issue but I'm with everyone else that recasting all the voices of non white characters is an extreme over reaction but all that bitching and moaning that caused it was because The Simpsons did a weird clap back. Perhaps the only distinction I'd draw from this and something like comicsgate is that all the people bitching and moaning about Apu actually believe in what they are saying.

Originally Posted by Sumac

How or why character in a satire cartoon, where all characters are basically stereotypes and idiots can lead to bullying? By this logic all white people should be bullied because in the show most of them portrayed as fools.

The flaw with that argument is that the white characters are not portrayed as dumb simply because they are...yellow I guess.

Would you rise this issue about FW Shredder who was voiced by a black actor? Should we collectively cry about "countless Asian actors" who were passed on this role?

If Shredder was portrayed as a Japanese stereotype I might but he isn't.

Also, it is well known that Disney and other big coproRATions are buying reviews. So, not really sure where is conspiracy in that.

If that's true then why don't WB do it for their DC movies? Disney don't have to buy the illusion of popularity they've perfected the art of making something which will be ultra popular.

Yes, to certain degree Snyder's cut is a win for the anti-SJW anti-censorship people, which is why journasluts went after WB and their fanbase, because, it goes against their narrative and they hate losing.

However, genesis of the Snyder's cut was WB desire to prop their own streaming service and not because they want to appease people who disliked OG cut or because they want to pander to anti-Marvel people. This is big business and most of the time it doesn't work to please fans.

The Snyder DCEU movies aren't really political (although there is some interesting undercurrents in Man of Steel) but the fact you and anyone else thinks that releasing the Snyder cut is a win for 'anti-SJW' people shows that these movies have become emblematic for something political.

Companies don't do anything other than to make money and they saw the amount of people that were still demanding the Snyder cut and felt they could make money, sure. Would that movement still be going if the numbers hadn't been propped up by people who wanted to stick to the MCU out of the weird belief that they are somehow emblematic of SJW politics? I'm not sure.

[ChosenOne]

Apu actually enhanced my childhood. It was my first contact with an ethnical minority that is only now becoming commonplace in my country and around the particular region where I live, and which I very much respect. Anyone bitching about the character's accent or the fact that he isn't voiced by an Indian actor (just one of the best comedic actors of our time, but hey, who cares, right?) should stop judging books by their cover and actually watch some episodes of The Simpsons focused on Apu. What matters more, the color of his skin and his accent and his religion and whatnot, or the fact that he is (was...) consistently portrayed as a decent human being? Man, I can't even...

What's next? They're gonna bitch about Kang and Kodo's voice actors too?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Perhaps a better example to make my point would be...say Comicsgate. If you watched all the comicsgate youtubers back in the day it was clear that at least half the supportive comments were from people who didn't actually read comics but they saw a fledgling movement that intersected with their own and propped it up to achieve the wider political goals and it worked. They got Marvel to reverse coarse on a lot of creative decisions they disapproved of - including some which were financially successful for the company.

Still better than movement that wants to censor comic books.

Originally Posted by Galactus

The flaw with that argument is that the white characters are not portrayed as dumb simply because they are...yellow I guess.

That's not an answer.

Originally Posted by Galactus

If Shredder was portrayed as a Japanese stereotype I might but he isn't.

Most of the characters who are about to be "canceled" or recasted are not stereotypes either.

Originally Posted by Galactus

If that's true then why don't WB do it for their DC movies? Disney don't have to buy the illusion of popularity they've perfected the art of making something which will be ultra popular.

Maybe WB has some sort of professional integrity?
And, besides, when companies see they have an obvious stinker on their hands, they let reviewers to give they real thoughts about the product. Like in case of Rise of the Skywalker, since one thing is manufacture opinion when the movie is just divisive, like The Last Jedi or Captain Marvel and another, is trying to pretend that pile of **** is a diamond. If, say, 80% say that movie is bad, no amount of good reviews will salvage it. It's just a waste of money. Word of mouth will sink it anyway.

Originally Posted by Galactus

The Snyder DCEU movies aren't really political (although there is some interesting undercurrents in Man of Steel) but the fact you and anyone else thinks that releasing the Snyder cut is a win for 'anti-SJW' people shows that these movies have become emblematic for something political.

MCU movies are not outright political either, no more than any other standard Hollywood fare.

Also, it was not anti-SJW crowd which "made" Snyder's cut into something "political". It were journasluts who have started crying that it helps "alt-right", because, coproRATions obviously should follow the party line and not pander to common folk.

If left propagandists would've stayed silent and didn't start drama on the empty place - most people wouldn't really care about it one way or the other.

Also, what little part of people on Internet think, doesn't really indicate anything about the project. Unless you want propose that AT&T / WB is ruled by "alt-right", but this is so hilarious stupid, that I hope you won't go into that direction.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Companies don't do anything other than to make money and they saw the amount of people that were still demanding the Snyder cut and felt they could make money, sure. Would that movement still be going if the numbers hadn't been propped up by people who wanted to stick to the MCU out of the weird belief that they are somehow emblematic of SJW politics? I'm not sure.

You need to stop listening to Alex Jones.

How about assuming that a lot of people wanted to get a GOOD MOVIE? Also, thinking that DC is somehow less SJW than a Marvel is hilarious.