Official Justice League Movie

[Galactus]

Snyder is allowed to to be smug. This all must feel like quite the vindication of his vision...still I'm not so sure that with the film critic intelligentsia and the wider public this will be viewed as his redemption. It will merely be viewed as a different kind of bad to the Whedon version.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm sure he's not in it very much, but I really don't like this take on Darkseid. Looks freaking weird and un-Darkseid like, like some kind of rage monster. He needs his Kirby outfit or even the Final Crisis version, or something close to that.

Darkseid is such a simple yet effective design how to you really mess that up? I appreciate that Steppenwolf's classic look might not seem intimidating although both his designs such but I can see why they felt they had to change it but Darkseid would have been fine going from page to screen. Makes me wonder if he'll be characterised faithfully.

[Autbot_Benz]

4 hour Snyder League. Damn I thought BVS was hard to sit through at 3 hours

[AquaParade]

The last scene of the trailer seemed like the same sort of goofy in JL, really. And they still have that "Class photo" glamour shot of the group standing together? Would have guess that was studio mandated. Cheesy as hell.

Hoping this will be good. I know the general atmosphere and music will be improved at least.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That does not feel like the same movie at all. Which is a very good thing.

Weird choice of trailer song, not what I was expecting. But I'm excited for this.

Hell, maybe even Ezra Miller's Flash will be tolerable.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

That does not feel like the same movie at all. Which is a very good thing.

Weird choice of trailer song, not what I was expecting. But I'm excited for this.

Hell, maybe even Ezra Miller's Flash will be tolerable.

The song was used and generally lampooned in Snyder's Watchmen film, so I think it's a bit of a throwback to his diehard fans.

I thought it worked really well here, as a tongue in cheek way of celebrating this thing finally coming out.
But for casual audiences, they may have wanted to open up with something that expresses how different this version will be.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

The song was used and generally lampooned in Snyder's Watchmen film, so I think it's a bit of a throwback to his diehard fans.

I thought it worked really well here, as a tongue in cheek way of celebrating this thing finally coming out.
But for casual audiences, they may have wanted to open up with something that expresses how different this version will be.

Ooooooooooooh, that's right! I'd forgotten that!

It felt really different, which helped set the mood. And it kinda worked.

And thinking about it, typical trailer music would feel weird. So would hard rock. I think this was probably a good choice... something unique and off-beat, to commemorate.

[Leo656]

Apparently it's been "officially" released in full. Looks great!

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Galactus

It will merely be viewed as a different kind of bad to the Whedon version.

So true.

[Turo602]

[MikeandRaph87]

Hallelujah was an odd choice of a trailer song, but I took as "hey this different" as its attempt. I would have thought an epic score would have been more fitting. Ah,well its the movie product getting a shot in the arm it needs which is the main thing.

The worst thing is we cannot ever get the full Justice League lineup at the same time. Sometimes Aquaman gets left out. Lately Hal Jordan has been left out. Cyborg does not belong, but Martian Manhunter as the #7 character does. Then uniting to fight a nobody? If the character set could just be aligned it could make a positive difference.

It is also good to see both Aquaman and Wonder Woman being positively received regardless of the creative direction of Synder, Weadon, Wan, or Jenkins. Its what Momoa and Gadot have brought to the characters.

[Leo656]

All the Batman, Flash and Cyborg stuff looks really, really great. I really can't wait to see it all in full.

Also, the Kent farm stuff. Really can't wait to see all of it back in its proper context. "Itchy." Feh!

I agree that it most likely won't change anyone's mind if they simply don't like the way Zack makes movies; truthfully, it seemed like the only people who TRULY enjoyed the theatrical cut of JL were the ones who were just so happy to see anyone else take the reigns they were willing to forgive all the rest of the junk that ended up being in that thing.

Conversely, unless a person seriously can't stand his style, objectively this just looks SO much better. It definitely has the "epic" feel that the theatrical cut should have had, but never came close to achieving.

Really can't wait to see it all with the proper musical score, too. Man, I always hate playing the "________ can't come soon enough" game, because I feel like you miss a lot of life that way... but man, next year can't come soon enough!

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Hallelujah was an odd choice of a trailer song, but I took as "hey this different" as its attempt. I would have thought an epic score would have been more fitting. Ah,well its the movie product getting a shot in the arm it needs which is the main thing.

I can't help but think that it was what Snyder chose to play in his version of Watchmen were formerly impotent Dan Dreiberg finally managed to get it up.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Hallelujah was an odd choice of a trailer song, but I took as "hey this different" as its attempt. I would have thought an epic score would have been more fitting. Ah,well its the movie product getting a shot in the arm it needs which is the main thing.

The worst thing is we cannot ever get the full Justice League lineup at the same time. Sometimes Aquaman gets left out. Lately Hal Jordan has been left out. Cyborg does not belong, but Martian Manhunter as the #7 character does. Then uniting to fight a nobody? If the character set could just be aligned it could make a positive difference.

I'd prefer Hal have been included, as well as J'onn, but there were always multiple reasons why they weren't going to be involved so soon. All of it having to do with Superman. They were inevitably going to be in the sequels, they just couldn't use them immediately without breaking the entire story they were trying to tell.

First off, the entirety of this cinematic DCU was supposed to center around Superman. Him being the central and most powerful of the main cast was critical to the entire story. This was primarily why J'onn and Green Lantern were put on the back-burner until Superman was more firmly established; you can't do as much to put over how huge and important Superman is to the world, when all of a sudden you've got shape-shifting Martians who can read minds, and people with magic rings from outer space. All of a sudden, Superman doesn't look special anymore, and that's the opposite of what this series was trying to convey. Kal-El was always set to be the central character who drew all the others out. Would have been "too soon" for any J'onn or Green Lantern stuff. They were always intended to show up in JL Part II, which is why they were both scripted into Zack's cut of "Justice League". Only the Green Lantern tease made it into the theatrical cut, but much has already been said about Col. Swanwick having secretly been J'onn the entire time in the previous films and him having a "reveal" moment in Zack's cut of JL. I'm curious to see if the GL tease is the same as it was in the theatrical cut, or if it's different.

Anyway, like I've been saying since the beginning, most people would have ended up getting everything they wanted if they just waited for five minutes before deciding they didn't like what they were being served. Everything from the brighter color palette to Martian Manhunter and everything else, it was all supposed to show up before very long, people just didn't get what they wanted Right NOW so they pitched a fit. And now scant teases of what might have been is the best we're gonna get of it, which is better than nothing, but still. If people held their goddamn horses we could've had ALL of it the way it was intended.

There's a lesson about Patience and curbing one's expectations in there somewhere.

Also, he may not have been in a lot of cartoons but I would hardly call Darkseid's main general a "nobody". He's basically second only to Darkseid himself. If Part II was going to be about the League taking on Darkseid himself (as well as, by some accounts, the "Real" Doomsday from ancient Krypton and not Lex's experiment gone awry), who better to lead into that in the first movie? Should they fight some totally unrelated villain in Part I and then Darkseid just HAPPENS to fall out of the sky in Part II with no build? Ugh, that'd be terrible. I know "conventional wisdom" says that your movie should have a more iconic villain but there's something to be said for taking a chance on elevating someone else for the sake of a consistent plot across multiple films.

Cyborg being part Mother Box also gives him every reason to be there, given how Darkseid-centric the plot of these movies are. If they wanted to commune with the Kryptonian ship like Lex did, or whatever, they might learn a little about Apokolips and Darkseid but having a team member who's literally made of Apokolips technology adds an entirely new element to things. I'm generally not in love with most of the New 52 but those weren't bad creative choices. And again, they weren't gonna be using Those Other Guys until the next movie because they'd take too much shine off of Superman. Everything is where it is for a reason.

All of these things make a lot more sense when you try and take in the Big Picture. I allow for the fact that most people don't follow along as far as what "the Plan" was for these movies as closely as I do, but it all fits and makes perfect sense in context.
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Sadly, the more I'm seeing, the more I look forward to this BUT also the more angry I am that Justice League part II is most likely never gonna happen. Then again, last week the idea of Ben ever putting on the suit again was impossible, so... who knows, I guess? I think everything is entirely up in the air, now. That's kind of exciting.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

4 hour Snyder League. Damn I thought BVS was hard to sit through at 3 hours

They will be in separate 1-hour installments though.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/justice...ts-1203020700/

[Leo656]

Kinda sounds like a physical release might be in the cards as well. That would be exceptional. Especially if there was an option to watch it in Chapters or as one long movie. I really hope so! He seemed to hint at it with that "find a way to bundle it all together" comment.

[raph27]

Wow, that trailer was put together very well. I'm still unsure about how the end product will turn out, but I'm really happy for all the dedicated "Snyderverse" fans and the hype they must be feeling right now.

Even if this new version doesn't turn out to be the epic masterpiece that Snyder is hyping it up to be, this still is extremely interesting to me from a general film perspective. This is a one-of-a-kind scenario that I never thought would be possible. Going back to a previous director, digging up footage that the studio previously tried to bury, and not only spending the money to restore it for what is basically a new movie at this point but giving it advertising to match. And all this three years after the original release of the film. It's not like anything I've seen before from a major film studio like WB. This must be what HBO Max is really riding on to get people on their service, although I hope a Blu-ray release isn't completely out of the picture down the road.

With the news that it's four hours in total, with the option to watch it in four episodes or one film, it makes me wonder if they're really putting in every single scene shot originally. I know many films have that much footage (Caddyshack is a famous example, original cut was almost four hours) but most of it never sees the light of day. I guess the reins are being given wholly to Snyder on this one, which could be a great choice or a terrible one. We will see.

My biggest concern about this taps into what Leo has been saying here for a while. This Snyder Cut is only Part I, right? So this is probably going to end on a big cliffhanger, similar to BvS or Infinity War? I am worried that since many won't know about the original plan for the films, they will be disappointed when it doesn't present a "complete" narrative.

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by raph27

My biggest concern about this taps into what Leo has been saying here for a while. This Snyder Cut is only Part I, right? So this is probably going to end on a big cliffhanger, similar to BvS or Infinity War? I am worried that since many won't know about the original plan for the films, they will be disappointed when it doesn't present a "complete" narrative.

That's when the next fan campaign starts.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Kinda sounds like a physical release might be in the cards as well. That would be exceptional. Especially if there was an option to watch it in Chapters or as one long movie. I really hope so! He seemed to hint at it with that "find a way to bundle it all together" comment.

They'd better. I NEED this on my shelf next to Man of Steel and Batman V Superman.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'd prefer Hal have been included, as well as J'onn, but there were always multiple reasons why they weren't going to be involved so soon. All of it having to do with Superman. They were inevitably going to be in the sequels, they just couldn't use them immediately without breaking the entire story they were trying to tell.

But isn't the black general from MOS going to be revealed as Martian Manhunter? There's concept art! Or did it never make it into Zack's finished script?

Man, that'd suck. I was hoping we'd at least see Green Lantern show up at the end, as was always rumored, and maybe J'onn shapeshift and reveal he's been keeping tabs on Kal-El.

[Galactus]

Relying on the audience to have faith that good stuff was coming in a movie series which had not earned it is very unrealistic.

Also there is an argument that in a group of super powered individuals Superman appears less special by default. Together Cyborg, Wonder Woman and the Flash can do everything he does and look less generic doing it plus the one non-powered member of the group kicked the crap out of Supes in the previous movie. None of that should matter though cheesy as it sounds it isn't his powers that should make him special in that group it's his sense of heroism not to mention that I suspect the whole movie hinged on his resurrection (as if the Jesus comparisons were not blatant enough) so he would always come across as important that you could have Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter there and it wouldn't make a difference.

It's not like it's been that long since the Green Lantern movie that anyone who cares to know his origin would not know. For the rest there is an argument to made the less focus on GL's mythology the better. If the audience bought into a guy who runs fast and another who is the King of Atlantis I'm sure they wouldn't be confused or overloaded with a space cop with an energy ring. Just have one of mother boxes that Steppenwolf steal by on OA , imagine Steppenwolf busting through a bunch of Lanterns to do it which would really sell him as a threat (and sell Superman and the League as badasses for defeating him later) and at the end the Guardians dispatch Green Lantern of Earth to get it back. Sure, it's not deep but just as much set up as Aquaman had in the finished product and no one minded that. J'on could also be guarding a motherbox hence being targeted by Steppenwolf and bringing him into the story.

I imagine whatever story Snyder had planned could easily have been told with GL and MM there also.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

They'd better. I NEED this on my shelf next to Man of Steel and Batman V Superman.



But isn't the black general from MOS going to be revealed as Martian Manhunter? There's concept art! Or did it never make it into Zack's finished script?

Man, that'd suck. I was hoping we'd at least see Green Lantern show up at the end, as was always rumored, and maybe J'onn shapeshift and reveal he's been keeping tabs on Kal-El.

No, yeah, he's "in it" as far as he's part of the story and was since the beginning, but basically the plot was that J'onn always kept himself hidden because he knew what Jon Kent told Clark was right about humans not being ready to accept aliens with special powers. Probably because he can read minds and stuff. The plan was always for J'onn to have been "keeping tabs" on stuff under various aliases like Gen. Swanwick, but was not planning to ever reveal himself. Superman's arrival, exposing himself as an alien, and eventually getting humanity to rally around him in spite of being an extra-terrestrial, was going to be what led J'onn to finally "come out" as well, which most likely would have been in JL II.

The scene of J'onn being revealed was storyboarded for JL but I'm not sure if that was part of the principle photography they'd already completed of not. Given the fact that it was one of the things they were talking about a couple weeks before the news about the Snyder Cut dropped, I have to think that was by design. Most of what we heard being discussed in recent months before the official announcement, we've now seen in the teasers. So since they made a big to-do a few months ago about "Oh, yeah, Martian Manhunter was gonna be in it," I kinda think that scene will be part of it as well.

Spoiler:

Point of fact, they showed the scene of Clark's Mom going to visit Lois, and it was THAT scene were it was originally storyboarded to reveal that the "Martha" who went to see Lois was actually J'onn/Swanwick in disguise.
So I really kinda have a strong feeling that we'll get our J'onn J'onnz reveal at long last.