Official Justice League Movie

[AquaParade]

That Batman shot was awesome. I couldn't remember if it was in the Whedon cut actually, bc I haven't seen it in a long time.

Give me ten to fifteen more mins of Batfleck and a badass Deathstroke scene, and you'll go a long way with me.

[Leo656]

Which Batman shot? The "deflecting blaster fire" shot? That definitely was not in the Joss cut. All the early trailers painted him as being a LOT more involved in the fights than what he ended up being in the final cut, but that was the first time I've ever seen THAT shot.

I'm really hoping Deathstroke stays in the picture, but since so much has changed about the plan for future JL and DC movies, it just might not fit in anymore is my concern. Here's hoping! I thought Deathstroke looked great.

Oh, here's a rumor I forgot to mention earlier that I think bears discussing. There's some speculation about Act III, based on several of the Flash scenes. Specifically...

Spoiler:

One rumor has it that Steppenwolf actually KILLS the entire League, except Flash, during the climactic fight scene, at which point Flash has to go back in time and set up a different scenario, which leads to the fight playing out as we know it ultimately does, with Diana decapitating Steppenwolf right before he can teleport away in the Boom Tube.

Most people say that the visuals of the Flash scenes strongly hint at the time travel angle coming into play, and I kind of agree with that assumption. But I've never heard this one, before. Which doesn't mean it wasn't always the plan, it's just that I never heard of it before now. Intriguing.

I can totally see that being the one Big thing that made WB change their entire direction on the project, though. So maybe it is true?

Not gonna lie, I would kinda like to see that. I have my doubts, but... it would be a bold choice.

Spoiler:

I do feel like time travel definitely has something to do with something, as that's something they've also discussed at length for this movie and what was gonna be JL II. I just don't know if it's going to be used as the rumor suggests, or in an altogether different fashion.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly, not terribly impressed, other than seeing Darkseid in the beginning, which looks like it would have been a post credit scene. Been a while since I seen the original JL but this just looks like an extended cut of JL to me, not 'a whole new movie'.

Also who was the girl Wonder Woman smiled at, and who was the woman that the Flash saved? The stayed on them so long they look like we're supposed to know who they are.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Which Batman shot? The "deflecting blaster fire" shot? That definitely was not in the Joss cut. All the early trailers painted him as being a LOT more involved in the fights than what he ended up being in the final cut, but that was the first time I've ever seen THAT shot.

I'm really hoping Deathstroke stays in the picture, but since so much has changed about the plan for future JL and DC movies, it just might not fit in anymore is my concern. Here's hoping! I thought Deathstroke looked great.

Oh, here's a rumor I forgot to mention earlier that I think bears discussing. There's some speculation about Act III, based on several of the Flash scenes. Specifically...

Spoiler:

One rumor has it that Steppenwolf actually KILLS the entire League, except Flash, during the climactic fight scene, at which point Flash has to go back in time and set up a different scenario, which leads to the fight playing out as we know it ultimately does, with Diana decapitating Steppenwolf right before he can teleport away in the Boom Tube.

Most people say that the visuals of the Flash scenes strongly hint at the time travel angle coming into play, and I kind of agree with that assumption. But I've never heard this one, before. Which doesn't mean it wasn't always the plan, it's just that I never heard of it before now. Intriguing.

I can totally see that being the one Big thing that made WB change their entire direction on the project, though. So maybe it is true?

Not gonna lie, I would kinda like to see that. I have my doubts, but... it would be a bold choice.

Spoiler:

I do feel like time travel definitely has something to do with something, as that's something they've also discussed at length for this movie and what was gonna be JL II. I just don't know if it's going to be used as the rumor suggests, or in an altogether different fashion.

Oooooooooooooooooh, that'd be great!

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Honestly, not terribly impressed, other than seeing Darkseid in the beginning, which looks like it would have been a post credit scene. Been a while since I seen the original JL but this just looks like an extended cut of JL to me, not 'a whole new movie'.

Also who was the girl Wonder Woman smiled at, and who was the woman that the Flash saved? The stayed on them so long they look like we're supposed to know who they are.

Flash saved Iris, and that's old news, but I'm not sure if the girl with Wonder Woman has any significance.

Knowing what I do of the plot - which isn't Everything, but it's enough - it's basically an entirely different movie. Right now they're just leading with "contrast shots" to illustrate the differences more clearly. Most of the scenes they're showcasing are ones that were utilized in Joss's cut, but to entirely different effect, such as the ending group shot of the JLA for example. Showing off things like that more starkly highlights the differences, more so than highlighting a bunch of unrelated footage would manage to do.

I mean, the basic plot of "Steppenwolf shows up, JLA fights him, and also, here's Superman" is still the same, but pretty much everything between A to Z is different. Huge chunks of the theatrical cut were all Whedon - way more than an hour of footage from that under-two hour movie - and not a single frame he shot is going to be used in this four-hour project, so aside from the very broad strokes, it HAS to be completely different. There's like nothing from the theatrical cut that can even be used, except for some of Bruce and Aquaman and a few scenes with Clark.

That leaves a TON of room wide open for reinterpretation. Obviously, we know the basics and we know the ending, but we don't know how the journey from A to Z is gonna go and that's the exciting part.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Oooooooooooooooooh, that'd be great!

It would definitely be a very bold choice. Like I said, if it's true, that's probably what made them ask him to take a knee.

I mean, they didn't even wanna show Diana cut Steppenwolf's head off, he had to go out like a punk covered in giant, very aggressive bees. No way WB was gonna let Zack do THAT in Act III, as the rumor suggests, if they couldn't even show the Bad Guy get killed.

I can't wait to see that shot, by the way. Who knows if it's true or not, but I've heard it described as like, he gets his head cut off just as the Boom Tube closes, and then it rolls across the floor and settles at Darkseid's feet. That would be INCREDIBLE.

All we KNOW is that Diana cuts his head off, but we don't know the specific details or how it'll look. I *think* I read that Superman sets it up by hitting Steppenwolf really hard so that he's off-balance and unprotected in front of Diana, but I'unno.

What has me doubting the specific use of time travel as cited in the rumor, though, is that by all accounts the method by which Flash was to have traveled through time in this movie and the next was going to be VERY complicated and I'm not sure if it would fit within the framework as described in the rumors about Act III.

That said, it's plausible, and I'd pop huge for it, sure. And I definitely think there's gonna be some time travel. Just not sure if it's gonna be like THAT or not.

[Leo656]

Lots and lots of breakdowns, reveals, and a few details that went by so fast even I missed 'em.

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...story-reveals/

I was always kinda hoping DeSaad would show up in this. Whooooooo. Neat!

Pretty "spoiler"-y, I'unno if anyone even gives that much of a sh*t about any of that by this point. I mean we know all the broad strokes and even a lot of the finer details were never THAT much of a secret in the first place. But if anyone wants to know NOTHING or next to nothing going in to actually seeing it, be forewarned that the article goes into a lot of plot point stuff. Most of it has already been revealed and/or discussed quite a while ago, though.

A lot of interesting stuff, regardless. Quite a bit of going over how some shots are different from the Whedon cut, in specifically what ways, and how it likely effects the scenes/story as a whole.

[Andrew NDB]

Do we even get Superman in his traditional red and blue outfit in this? I wonder if not.

[Leo656]

I think it greatly depends on whether ALL of what Zack originally shot is still going to be used, or if different circumstances led to certain things being clipped or otherwise altered.

Like, I'm pretty sure that the shirt rip scene from the end of the theatrical cut, if used in this one, will retain the red and blue. Maybe that's even the point, for that scene to have even more "oomph" because he's wearing black for the rest of it beforehand so at the end when he reveals the classic colors it's like a big deal.

Thing is, like the Lex/Deathstroke scene, I'm not entirely sure if that specific shot will still be in this version of the movie. We know Zack shot those scenes but we don't know 100% if they'll still be relevant to this project in its current form. One would *think* so but I don't know if anything can be assumed at this point.

Otherwise, no, I'm inclined to think that it'll be 99% the black costume. I'm willing to entertain the notion that there's a story-driven reason for it, but I guess we'll have to see. Frankly, if it were me, I'd have included it but not kept it for the duration, but that's an Editorial decision. I'm looking at it from the angle of, "These are the choices the guy makes as a director which annoy a lot of people and I feel like it's a strange place to plant a flag." But that doesn't mean that it won't mean something substantial in context.

It's whatever, I know what I probably would've done but it's not my movie.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Nah, not right out of the gate. Again, it was always supposed to be that Kal-El's example was WHY J'onn finally reveals himself. If J'onn's already a "Superman-Type Guy" who can ALSO read minds and turn invisible and shape-shift, AND he's already functioning as a super-hero by this point so early on, WHY is Superman suddenly necessary for this story? You've got a guy who can do Everything he can do and a bunch of stuff he can't. Whoops, now the story's broken. Same thing happens if you suddenly include a guy with a "magic" ring that can do absolutely anything.

The ENTIRE arc of Snyder's DC films was about Superman's emergence, its effect on the world, and how it gradually drew these other characters out into becoming heroes in their own right. That's the story, and he's at the center of it. Every other creative choice, including which characters were in play and at what point in their "journey" we find them at, was made in service to That Specific Story. If people feel like their own version of it would have been better or more thought out, that's certainly their prerogative but that doesn't mean they're correct.

Nobody ever feels like they have to meet the storyteller halfway and accept the "Why" behind their choices, because they think their own ideas are better. Well, for one thing, you do have to because it's not your project, and for another, once again those people do a great job of illustrating their obstinate refusal to take things for what they Are rather than what they Wish They Had Instead, but very little else.

I see a LOT of people online try and come up with a way to explain how their own version of a JL movie would have been way, way better and easily made a billion dollars, because clearly they know better than the guy who actually made the movie. Well, when they prove it, I'll accept it as more than conjecture and wishful thinking.

The story as-is and the entire plan they had was Perfectly Fine. There's no reason people couldn't wait ONE more movie to get Green Lantern and goddamn Martian Manhunter. People wanted to stomp their feet and pout about how they want it NOW, and in the end we get nothing. Next time, people ought'a be patient and not pout. Things have a way of working themselves out.

Thing is Snyder was seen to have blown a sure thing with Batman v Superman which had the knock on effect of making his version of Justice League a flop before it had even been released that people can't help but think they could do better.

As we've discussed before it isn't really Snyder's fault but rather the WB's arrogance for thinking they could do a two part Justice League movie when they hadn't earned that faith from the audience in the slightest.

Obviously we don't know what Snyder's story for Justice League was but I can't imagine it would have been impacted that much by Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter. Batman had been operating in Gotham long enough to be presented as a grisseled old vet, Wonder Woman had been active on and off since the First World War and it's not like they undermined Superman. You could say that Green Lantern was just patrolling space all this time it was only the invasion from Apokolips that brought Hal back to Earth. Same deal with J'on he was in hiding until the situation was grave enough for him to reveal himself. Superman is what brings these characters together not what inspires them to do good in the first place.

To be honest I'm not sure that Green Lanterns presence would have made a difference to the wider audience and certainly no one but big comic nerds care about Martian Manhunter but it would have been nice and led to some to some interesting action sequences. Saving them sequel was the height of arrogance that they'd get a sequel when after Man of Steel it should have been obvious the audience was iffy at best on Snyder's vision that they may not get one.

[AquaParade]

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wa...investigation/

Ray Fisher' story looking sketchier every time we look.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wa...investigation/

Ray Fisher' story looking sketchier every time we look.

The plot thickens?

On the one hand, I want to believe Fisher is telling the truth on all this; it lines up with my own personal biases, for the most part. But on the other hand, it wouldn't be the first time stuff was made up for press. And it's easy to demonize the big muckamucks; we already don't like 'em.

[AquaParade]

He's never actually accused anybody of anything aside from general "abuse" with no explanation and "threatening my career". Probably thought being "me too'd" in some sense would do wonders for his career. Not like it's an uncommon tactic.
People really need to stop hopping off on people after an accusation. Getting old.

Gotta say, between Amber Heard, Ray Fisher, and Ezra Miller, this cast is starting to look pretty stinky. At least we'll see Dafoe.

[Andrew NDB]

Now he says the DC Films president called him and told him it was OK to throw Whedon under the bus, but not to mention Geoff Johns.

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...e-geoff-johns/

[AquaParade]

Hmm.

Perhaps I spoke too soon. Will see.

Edit: idk how that emoji got there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Now he says the DC Films president called him and told him it was OK to throw Whedon under the bus, but not to mention Geoff Johns.

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...e-geoff-johns/

I knew you'd have something to say about THAT.

[Andrew NDB]

Fisher responding to WB's "he's not cooperating" thing:

https://cosmicbook.news/ray-fisher-f...ck-warner-bros

[Shark_Blade]

It’s interesting that WB President never deny calling Ray on that deal to lay-off the accused.

[AquaParade]

The "throwing under the bus" comment mentioned by Fisher?
WB denied that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Fisher responding to WB's "he's not cooperating" thing:

https://cosmicbook.news/ray-fisher-f...ck-warner-bros

What's the difference between "Warner Media" and "Warner Pictures" about?