Wonder Woman 1984 - Page 10

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-22-2020, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Lots of rumors I've seen actually imply that's more or less what happens, but apparently the ending is Super Top Secret. Which actually kind of implies that something to that effect does happen.

Spoiler:

I mean, she killed plenty of people in the first movie so I doubt it's the killing in general they'd lean away from. She might just not twist his head around. But I'd say it's at least 50/50 as to whether or not she kills him. Maybe more 70-30 "for".

Well, that'd be something at least. Hope it happens, but still skeptical.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 08-23-2020, 01:57 AM

I'm looking forward to it. Enjoyed the first one and I thought I'd end up hating Kristen Wiig's Cheetah costume but I dig it. Nothing against Wiig but she's far from one of my favorite actresses so I was wary of her in the role at first.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-23-2020, 02:49 AM

I think Kristen Wiig is fine in Ghostbusters, probably my fav character in it so I’m definitely looking forward to this.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 08-23-2020, 03:26 AM

Rather not talk about Ghostbusters, but I'll give her a chance with this movie.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-23-2020, 03:53 AM

Yeah. As soon as the conversation turned into, "Maybe we should have Max Lord in our new Wonder Woman movie," I give 75% odds the rest of it became, "So we have to end this with Wonder Woman snapping his neck."

~~Leo656~~ · 08-23-2020, 04:17 AM

I would've done the Slow Burn. Introduce him in one of the movies set post-Justice League as the group's liason/PR guy, because it's quite clear that they'd need one based on what we've seen of this world in MoS and BvS. Have him show up in the other characters' movies as sort of a bit player, but make it clear that he's someone they trust and that he's a Very Important Player. And then in like JL III do the reveal where he's secretly been playing and manipulating them the whole time, and do an adaptation of the "Sacrifice" arc.

It would even play in SO WELL to the way the world was established in MoS and BvS. The crux of those movies was all about, "The people don't trust metahumans" and that's Max Lord's entire heel gimmick. "I gained your trust so I could control you, because you're all too dangerous to be trusted and you can't control yourselves." Add in some dialog about how his mother died in the Battle of Metropolis or something and that's when he reached out to Lex Luthor and together they formed this Grand Plan or whatever.

But see, that would require planning, adherence to plot, and motivation to stay consistent with what earlier movies have already established. WB generally sh*ts the bed on ALL of those things on a regular and frequent basis.

Instead, you know they just Googled "Wonder Woman, villains, 1980s characters" and Max's name came up, and that's about where it ended.

I guess I should be glad he's getting put in a movie at all, but I can't help it. They're leaving SO much money on the table with this character by using him so carelessly. Like that totally could have been their JL III storyline (Yes, I know they'd have to get through JL II first

), and it would have been a nice "comedown" after two straight movies of all the Darkseid stuff. Having their trusted advisor try and tear them apart from within would have been an awesome way to follow all of that up.

Sigh. Alas...

*Andrew NDB* · 08-23-2020, 04:25 AM

Remember, they wanted to put Max Lord in that George Miller Justice League movie, too, as the big bad (with a really shrimpy guy... I forget his name). So it's not really a new idea.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-23-2020, 04:42 AM

They never are. "New Ideas" cost a lot of money!

Like, just earlier today I was wondering what faint whispers of Affleck's Batman movie script are still in the DNA of what's become "The Batman" movie. I know they love to trumpet how it's a completely brand new thing unique only to itself, but the reality is, that's not how these projects work, not ever. Step One is ALWAYS to dig the last script you paid a million dollars for out of the drawer to see how much, if anything, can be salvaged. Then the "brand new script" is drafted with notes from the producers saying how much of the last script is still in play. But nothing ever gets thrown out completely and old ideas always resurface eventually. Kinda like how with BvS, Zack told "his" story which was still full of elements WB insisted "had" to be in there based on unused ideas from 10+ years and several scripts previous. "We already paid for these ideas, so fit 'em in someplace."

Once they get an idea in their head, it's not going away until it finally gets to play out. So yeah, they've probably been sitting on Wonder Woman killing Max Lord for a long time now, and just plain don't care anymore how they get there so long as they finally get there in a movie.

I wasn't a fan of how "Mortal" was shaping up, either, quite frankly. I felt like most of the same complaints people had about the way Zack set up his League could just as well apply to that movie based on what we know of it. Particularly and especially the complaints about rushing to get there without much foundation being set, and expecting a lot of viewers to already know a lot of the material from comic books. I always kinda felt like we dodged a minor bullet there. I mean at least by the time JL came out, there were three movies which established that universe and those characters to SOME degree. "Mortal" was just gonna drop everyone into a universe where everything's already been set up and established, with no backstory given for ANYONE and if you didn't read comics or watch cartoons then "Oh well". That always sounded incredibly iffy, to me, and I'm glad they didn't end up doing it.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-23-2020, 04:49 AM

On paper the Snyder way of doing things always made sense to be, conversely to the Marvel way. The Marvel way: do individual movies with each person, then do the big team-up movie. The DC way: basically do one big team-up movie that establishes them, THEN do their solo movies. I really think it would have worked, but it needed to have been good. Everything about BvS and the Whedon JL shot all of that in the foot, of course.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-23-2020, 05:01 AM

I mean, did I somehow miss the 6 or 7 solo films before "Fellowship" came out? Like, I seriously couldn't feel any connection to Gimli without having an entire three-hour movie devoted just to his whole origin and backstory, before I could feel good about rooting for him within the context of this gigantic ensemble cast.

I can't even watch "Tombstone", I feel like we just aren't given enough establishing backstory on Doc Holliday and every single one of the Earp brothers before we jump in, y'know?

HOW can I be expected to enjoy or understand these movies without a detailed map?! Don't they know that's a requirement?!

That's why the "You have to do it THIS way!" bit is so ignorant. It's ONE way that's been proven to work but it just as easily can work in other ways.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You drop an Aquaman or even a Wonder Woman movie on people cold five years ago, they do alright but don't make a billion dollars. Those movies were such huge successes in great deal because people liked what they saw of them in BvS and Justice League, respectively, and were intrigued. Before those glimpses, the only scuttlebutt about either of those characters having a solo movie, was that they didn't deserve or couldn't carry a solo movie. Meanwhile, "Shazam!" comes out cold and doesn't do so hot compared to absolutely everything else they've done. Maybe people didn't see enough in the trailers to decide if it was worth a chance. Who knows.

My biggest problem, really, is the insistence some people have that there's a One Size Fits All way of doing these projects, and there's simply not. Snyder had a good idea with his approach, and it would have all worked out fine if people weren't such colicky babies. "The blue isn't blue enough! I don't wanna wait two more movies for Martian Manhunter! Where's Hawkgirl?! Waaah waaaaah waaaaaah!"

Underestimating just how loudly certain people would pout about issues of little consequence, and also underestimating how sharply WB will abandon anything and everything at the slightest whiff of bad PR, is ultimately what wrecked the ship. Not the approach, the approach was fine. Rather, people's stubborn insistence from the jump that they simply weren't going to play along with this thing because "It's not like how Those Other Guys did it." When that was entirely the point!

*Vicky82* · 09-11-2020, 11:53 AM

Delayed again

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wo...-october-2020/

*oldmanwinters* · 09-11-2020, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Delayed again

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wo...-october-2020/

At this point, they'll have to rename the movie: Wonder Woman 1985.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 09-11-2020, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean, did I somehow miss the 6 or 7 solo films before "Fellowship" came out? Like, I seriously couldn't feel any connection to Gimli without having an entire three-hour movie devoted just to his whole origin and backstory, before I could feel good about rooting for him within the context of this gigantic ensemble cast.

Gimli's a bad example, amigo. Worst member of the Fellowship; nothing but comic relief.

I mean, technically Pippin is the worst, because of all the $hit he causes, but at least he contributed to the plot. Gimli does nothing except drink and hit things with his hammer and... GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK!

Get it? He's a dwarf. Dwarves are short.

Oh, and also, Wonder Woman 2 gets rescheduled again. Happy 2020, everyone!

~~Sumac~~ · 09-11-2020, 01:35 PM

Guess, WB is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

*CyberCubed* · 09-11-2020, 01:48 PM

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months. Pretty much any big budget movie is screwed and unless they put it out digitally it's not going to make as much money as it would have pre-virus anyway

*Cure* · 09-11-2020, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Guess, Disney is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

What does Disney have to do with this, exactly?

*Donatello19* · 09-11-2020, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumac

Guess, Disney is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

It's not a Disney film

*Andrew NDB* · 09-11-2020, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months.

Certain people will make sure of it. Though if Trump loses... "CNN: It turns out the virus isn't as deadly as we thought." Etc..

I'm pleased to see there is 1 theater open here, 30 miles away. Will go and see Tenet when I can afford to.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 09-11-2020, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months. Pretty much any big budget movie is screwed and unless they put it out digitally it's not going to make as much money as it would have pre-virus anyway

Pretty much this. Though as far as digital goes, I've no knowledge of how Mulan's doing on Disney+. Still don't know about the whole 'paying $30 to see a movie digitally' idea but I don't own Disney+.

And Black Widow will likely get pushed to 2021 unless Disney decides to release it on Disney+ which they may not want to.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-12-2020, 12:12 AM

Disney said Mulan was a 1 time thing, not the start of the new norm or an experiment.

They know they have to support theaters or there won't be any theaters to support.

08-23-2020, 03:53 AM	#185
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,560	Yeah. As soon as the conversation turned into, "Maybe we should have Max Lord in our new Wonder Woman movie," I give 75% odds the rest of it became, "So we have to end this with Wonder Woman snapping his neck." __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

08-23-2020, 04:25 AM	#187
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,560	Remember, they wanted to put Max Lord in that George Miller Justice League movie, too, as the big bad (with a really shrimpy guy... I forget his name). So it's not really a new idea. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

08-23-2020, 04:49 AM	#189
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,560	On paper the Snyder way of doing things always made sense to be, conversely to the Marvel way. The Marvel way: do individual movies with each person, then do the big team-up movie. The DC way: basically do one big team-up movie that establishes them, THEN do their solo movies. I really think it would have worked, but it needed to have been good. Everything about BvS and the Whedon JL shot all of that in the foot, of course. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

09-11-2020, 11:53 AM	#191
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,805	Delayed again https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wo...-october-2020/ __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

09-11-2020, 01:35 PM	#194
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	Guess, WB is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there. On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long. But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater. Last edited by Sumac; 09-12-2020 at 06:42 AM.

08-23-2020, 01:57 AM	#182
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	I'm looking forward to it. Enjoyed the first one and I thought I'd end up hating Kristen Wiig's Cheetah costume but I dig it. Nothing against Wiig but she's far from one of my favorite actresses so I was wary of her in the role at first.

08-23-2020, 02:49 AM	#183
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	I think Kristen Wiig is fine in Ghostbusters, probably my fav character in it so I’m definitely looking forward to this.

08-23-2020, 03:26 AM	#184
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	Rather not talk about Ghostbusters, but I'll give her a chance with this movie.

08-23-2020, 04:17 AM	#186
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I would've done the Slow Burn. Introduce him in one of the movies set post-Justice League as the group's liason/PR guy, because it's quite clear that they'd need one based on what we've seen of this world in MoS and BvS. Have him show up in the other characters' movies as sort of a bit player, but make it clear that he's someone they trust and that he's a Very Important Player. And then in like JL III do the reveal where he's secretly been playing and manipulating them the whole time, and do an adaptation of the "Sacrifice" arc. It would even play in SO WELL to the way the world was established in MoS and BvS. The crux of those movies was all about, "The people don't trust metahumans" and that's Max Lord's entire heel gimmick. "I gained your trust so I could control you, because you're all too dangerous to be trusted and you can't control yourselves." Add in some dialog about how his mother died in the Battle of Metropolis or something and that's when he reached out to Lex Luthor and together they formed this Grand Plan or whatever. But see, that would require planning, adherence to plot, and motivation to stay consistent with what earlier movies have already established. WB generally shts the bed on ALL of those things on a regular and frequent basis. Instead, you know* they just Googled "Wonder Woman, villains, 1980s characters" and Max's name came up, and that's about where it ended. I guess I should be glad he's getting put in a movie at all, but I can't help it. They're leaving SO much money on the table with this character by using him so carelessly. Like that totally could have been their JL III storyline (Yes, I know they'd have to get through JL II first ), and it would have been a nice "comedown" after two straight movies of all the Darkseid stuff. Having their trusted advisor try and tear them apart from within would have been an awesome way to follow all of that up. Sigh. Alas...

08-23-2020, 04:42 AM	#188
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	They never are. "New Ideas" cost a lot of money! Like, just earlier today I was wondering what faint whispers of Affleck's Batman movie script are still in the DNA of what's become "The Batman" movie. I know they love to trumpet how it's a completely brand new thing unique only to itself, but the reality is, that's not how these projects work, not ever. Step One is ALWAYS to dig the last script you paid a million dollars for out of the drawer to see how much, if anything, can be salvaged. Then the "brand new script" is drafted with notes from the producers saying how much of the last script is still in play. But nothing ever gets thrown out completely and old ideas always resurface eventually. Kinda like how with BvS, Zack told "his" story which was still full of elements WB insisted "had" to be in there based on unused ideas from 10+ years and several scripts previous. "We already paid for these ideas, so fit 'em in someplace." Once they get an idea in their head, it's not going away until it finally gets to play out. So yeah, they've probably been sitting on Wonder Woman killing Max Lord for a long time now, and just plain don't care anymore how they get there so long as they finally get there in a movie. I wasn't a fan of how "Mortal" was shaping up, either, quite frankly. I felt like most of the same complaints people had about the way Zack set up his League could just as well apply to that movie based on what we know of it. Particularly and especially the complaints about rushing to get there without much foundation being set, and expecting a lot of viewers to already know a lot of the material from comic books. I always kinda felt like we dodged a minor bullet there. I mean at least by the time JL came out, there were three movies which established that universe and those characters to SOME degree. "Mortal" was just gonna drop everyone into a universe where everything's already been set up and established, with no backstory given for ANYONE and if you didn't read comics or watch cartoons then "Oh well". That always sounded incredibly iffy, to me, and I'm glad they didn't end up doing it.

08-23-2020, 05:01 AM	#190
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I mean, did I somehow miss the 6 or 7 solo films before "Fellowship" came out? Like, I seriously couldn't feel any connection to Gimli without having an entire three-hour movie devoted just to his whole origin and backstory, before I could feel good about rooting for him within the context of this gigantic ensemble cast. I can't even watch "Tombstone", I feel like we just aren't given enough establishing backstory on Doc Holliday and every single one of the Earp brothers before we jump in, y'know? HOW can I be expected to enjoy or understand these movies without a detailed map?! Don't they know that's a requirement?! That's why the "You have to do it THIS way!" bit is so ignorant. It's ONE way that's been proven to work but it just as easily can work in other ways. I've said it before and I'll say it again: You drop an Aquaman or even a Wonder Woman movie on people cold five years ago, they do alright but don't make a billion dollars. Those movies were such huge successes in great deal because people liked what they saw of them in BvS and Justice League, respectively, and were intrigued. Before those glimpses, the only scuttlebutt about either of those characters having a solo movie, was that they didn't deserve or couldn't carry a solo movie. Meanwhile, "Shazam!" comes out cold and doesn't do so hot compared to absolutely everything else they've done. Maybe people didn't see enough in the trailers to decide if it was worth a chance. Who knows. My biggest problem, really, is the insistence some people have that there's a One Size Fits All way of doing these projects, and there's simply not. Snyder had a good idea with his approach, and it would have all worked out fine if people weren't such colicky babies. "The blue isn't blue enough! I don't wanna wait two more movies for Martian Manhunter! Where's Hawkgirl?! Waaah waaaaah waaaaaah!" Underestimating just how loudly certain people would pout about issues of little consequence, and also underestimating how sharply WB will abandon anything and everything at the slightest whiff of bad PR, is ultimately what wrecked the ship. Not the approach, the approach was fine. Rather, people's stubborn insistence from the jump that they simply weren't going to play along with this thing because "It's not like how Those Other Guys did it." When that was entirely the point!

09-11-2020, 01:48 PM	#195
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months. Pretty much any big budget movie is screwed and unless they put it out digitally it's not going to make as much money as it would have pre-virus anyway

09-12-2020, 12:12 AM	#200
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,560	Disney said Mulan was a 1 time thing, not the start of the new norm or an experiment. They know they have to support theaters or there won't be any theaters to support. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]