Official Justice League Movie - Page 77

*Autbot_Benz* · 10-21-2020, 02:28 PM

Leto's Joker is gonna be in this movie

Looks like Leto is getting the last laugh as he joins the shooting of additional scenes for the Snyder Cut.
Zack Snyder’s new Justice League cut is getting some killer laughs.

Jared Leto, who played classic DC villain The Joker in 2016’s Suicide Squad, has joined the reshoots for the “Snyder Cut,” the filmmaker’s definitive version of the 2017 superhero movie he was forced to exit and he never saw through completion, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he..._medium=social

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 10-21-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Leto's Joker is gonna be in this movie

Looks like Leto is getting the last laugh as he joins the shooting of additional scenes for the Snyder Cut.
Zack Snyder’s new Justice League cut is getting some killer laughs.

Jared Leto, who played classic DC villain The Joker in 2016’s Suicide Squad, has joined the reshoots for the “Snyder Cut,” the filmmaker’s definitive version of the 2017 superhero movie he was forced to exit and he never saw through completion, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he..._medium=social

Um, okay. But why?

*Autbot_Benz* · 10-21-2020, 02:56 PM

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Um, okay. But why?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 10-21-2020, 03:11 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/QHt83of.gif

If they were to bring in Lex Luthor, that would make sense. But it seems a lot more tangential to bring in Joker.

Maybe an Arkham Asylum scene?

*ZariusTwo* · 10-21-2020, 03:28 PM

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Um, okay. But why?

Apparently Snyder had storyboarded a scene where Joker was on Bruce's Knightmare team in the future

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Maybe an Arkham Asylum scene?

That's very possible, actually. Zack's script had scenes of Batman going to Arkham early in the film to try and extract information from Lex Luthor about Steppenwolf, the Mother Boxes, and Darkseid. Some of those scenes were even shot, as I understand it.

Having Leto's Joker in there would make absolute perfect sense. If it weren't originally part of the plan it would definitely make sense even if they just thought of it recently or whatever. I wouldn't be shocked if that's exactly the point and exactly what we get. Good call.

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Apparently Snyder had storyboarded a scene where Joker was on Bruce's Knightmare team in the future

First I've ever heard of this one. As far as I was aware, Joker was dead in the Knightmare timeline, and Batman carrying the Joker playing card on his rifle was like a trophy, implying that Bruce was probably who killed him.

I think the Arkham scene is much more likely, honestly.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 10-21-2020, 03:56 PM

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That's very possible, actually. Zack's script had scenes of Batman going to Arkham early in the film to try and extract information from Lex Luthor about Steppenwolf, the Mother Boxes, and Darkseid. Some of those scenes were even shot, as I understand it.

Yeah, I remember that being discussed a few times. Having Joker cackling in a nearby cell would make a lot of sense.

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First I've ever heard of this one. As far as I was aware, Joker was dead in the Knightmare timeline, and Batman carrying the Joker playing card on his rifle was like a trophy, implying that Bruce was probably who killed him.

Wait, was there a Joker card on the rifle? Have I missed that previously?

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Apparently Snyder had storyboarded a scene where Joker was on Bruce's Knightmare team in the future

Huh. I don't remember that at all. Sounds... interesting? Like on the one hand, I could see that being very interesting. Desperate times and all that.

But on the other hand, Snyder deliberately showed us a Batman who has lost a Robin to the Joker (but with no resurrection afterwards). I have a hard time ever believing Batman--especially THIS Batman--wouldn't just kill the clown on sight after that.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:07 PM

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Wait, was there a Joker card on the rifle? Have I missed that previously?

Snyder deliberately showed us a Batman who has lost a Robin to the Joker (but with no resurrection afterwards). I have a hard time ever believing Batman--especially THIS Batman--wouldn't just kill the clown on sight after that.

It's tough to spot in the movie itself but yeah, it's been well-known for quite a long time.

Given the "Hall of Justice" (aka Wayne Manor in this universe) is destroyed in the Knightmare timeline, I assume the Batcave (and all of its trophies) are destroyed as well.

The general theory behind the playing card is, Batman finally killed the Joker and in the absence of anyplace to erect a physical "trophy" of his victory, Bruce instead carries the Joker card into battle with him, both as a token of victory and a warning to his enemies.

It's never been spoken of or confirmed out loud by Zack himself, BUT, it makes perfect sense with what we know about the universe and the "Knightmare" timeline. It's not the kind of thing he puts into his movies for no reason, every single thing he ever presents on-screen is emblematic of SOMEthing. If Batman carries a Joker card on his gun, it's for a reason. And that's as good of a guess as any other. Seems legit. Way more plausible than "Now they team up". I'unno.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:12 PM

That is...an interesting take on Batman. I'm all for intimidation factors, I just don't know if that one really works for me. Not a big deal anyway.

I typically don't mind when writers experiment with different ways of showing how Batman instills fear into enemies. Grant Morrison has his Batman cornering thugs in an alley and claiming to be "the king of hell". Another pretty bizarre take at first glance, but their both interesting and I can dig it.

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-21-2020, 04:15 PM

So the Injustice Gang would be Lex Luthor, Deathstroke, The Joker,and who else?

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:16 PM

I mean, is it that much different than branding sex traffickers with a Bat-symbol? Remember which universe this is in, after all.

If it is a "war trophy", then the Joker card also works just as well as a threat. "Remember, guy who's standing in front of me right now: I killed the Joker. I'm officially not f*cking around anymore."

Makes a lot of sense to me. Plus, again, no Batcave. Batman always takes trophies of his victories, and you gotta stick 'em somewhere. What an odd way to be sentimental, by the way. He's a weird guy.

"I beat up the mentally ill and stick their crap in my basement." What a loon!

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So the Injustice Gang would be Lex Luthor, Deathstroke, The Joker,and who else?

We'll likely never know, so I've never given it even THAT much thought. Seems pointless to even dream.

Plus, in just about any canon that isn't Super-Friends, Lex and Joker absolutely hate each other. I'unno that they'd be on the same team even in this universe. That's the last guy Lex would wanna work with. Lex hates wild cards, pun fully intended. That's why he never works with Joker by choice in any universe. They hate each other. I doubt Joker'd be involved.

IF they ever got around to making that movie, which I seriously doubt they ever will. Especially now.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 10-21-2020, 04:19 PM

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It's tough to spot in the movie itself but yeah, it's been well-known for quite a long time.

Given the "Hall of Justice" (aka Wayne Manor in this universe) is destroyed in the Knightmare timeline, I assume the Batcave (and all of its trophies) are destroyed as well.

The general theory behind the playing card is, Batman finally killed the Joker and in the absence of anyplace to erect a physical "trophy" of his victory, Bruce instead carries the Joker card into battle with him, both as a token of victory and a warning to his enemies.

It's never been spoken of or confirmed out loud by Zack himself, BUT, it makes perfect sense with what we know about the universe and the "Knightmare" timeline. It's not the kind of thing he puts into his movies for no reason, every single thing he ever presents on-screen is emblematic of SOMEthing. If Batman carries a Joker card on his gun, it's for a reason. And that's as good of a guess as any other. Seems legit. Way more plausible than "Now they team up". I'unno.

Oh, I like this a lot. Gonna have to rewatch BvS and see if I can spot it!

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:24 PM

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Oh, I like this a lot. Gonna have to rewatch BvS and see if I can spot it!

I can't even recall the spot where it's visible, to be honest (and I've seen that movie more than anyone but Zack, probably

). I totally missed it, someone had to point it out for me. It's such a small detail and there's SO much going on in that scene.

That one, long, single-shot take of him fighting the Parademons, though... my, MY my. The Warehouse scene is the Gold Standard but holy sh*t, that Parademon fight is such a gorgeous and beautifully-shot scene. One long take, flawlessly executed. That's incredibly hard to do! Especially with that kind of fight choreography. I mean, the Warehouse fight is "better" but they also had the benefit of many, many edits and cuts. Massive props for the Knightmare scene.

*MikeandRaph87* · 10-21-2020, 04:25 PM

Joker and Luthor teamed several times be it Silver Age goofiness or Luthor using Joker's unpredictable to his advantage such as Infinite Crisis or it may work against him like in Synder's recent Justice League run.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:32 PM

I don't think ANYTHING from the Silver Age would ever be utilized in a Zack Snyder movie.

I get what you're trying to say, though.

Zack seems to prefer the 1986-through-1993 DCU and use stories from that era specifically as his base, with only a sprinkling of other stuff. In that era, Joker and Lex didn't get along at all. So I could be wrong, but I'd assume he'd have them not get along in the movies as well.

Plus didn't Lex learn his lesson about banking the farm on things he couldn't control after Doomsday?

I think he'd probably keep a tighter leash on things going forward after that fiasco. Joker's no Doomsday, but he's about as unpredictable. I rather think any future plans Lex would attempt would include as few "wild card" elements as possible.

I mean, who knows? I just kinda look at what Zack pulls inspiration from for his movies and I don't know that he'd team up Lex and Joker. But who knows? Could very well have happened, I'm just speculating.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:36 PM

True that Batman does like his trophies. I can dig it, just sort of weird.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:39 PM

He's a weird guy!

"I can afford, like, ALL the therapy and I don't need to be a crippled rage-case my whole life. But it's more fun to work out my issues by going out in fancy-dress and beating the dog outta people even more cracked than I am." What a headcase!

I love Batman but he's a f*cking space cadet.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:46 PM

The Bat branding is easier to swallow. I can take a Batman that kills and a Batman that is oddly attached to his trials/tribulations but Batman actually flaunting an execution is stretching the character pretty far.
That sort of thing isn't unheard of but maybe I just feel like it's all a but much. The apocalypse, the trench coat, the execution trophies. Its like... okay, I get it, **** is dark. It is a great aesthetic and that's what Snyder does best, so I'm down.

But hey, I've always been open to interpretation with Batman. Even if it strikes me as an odd creative choice, it doesn't ruin things for me. There are so many versions of Batman that they might as well all be unique.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:49 PM

Things seem pretty damn dark in that Knightmare Timeline. I wouldn't really rule out anything by that point, frankly. Living in a post-Darkseid Apokoliptic hellscape might do strange things to a man, one would reason.

~~AquaParade~~ · 10-21-2020, 04:51 PM

True. I think that's part of the issue for me. It's like the grim level is turned up to 100 on everything. Apocalypse, edgy trenchcoat, execution trophies, machine guns. It's just a lot.

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MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	So the Injustice Gang would be Lex Luthor, Deathstroke, The Joker,and who else? __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

10-21-2020, 04:25 PM	#1534
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	Joker and Luthor teamed several times be it Silver Age goofiness or Luthor using Joker's unpredictable to his advantage such as Infinite Crisis or it may work against him like in Synder's recent Justice League run. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

10-21-2020, 04:12 PM	#1529
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	That is...an interesting take on Batman. I'm all for intimidation factors, I just don't know if that one really works for me. Not a big deal anyway. I typically don't mind when writers experiment with different ways of showing how Batman instills fear into enemies. Grant Morrison has his Batman cornering thugs in an alley and claiming to be "the king of hell". Another pretty bizarre take at first glance, but their both interesting and I can dig it.

10-21-2020, 04:32 PM	#1535
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I don't think ANYTHING from the Silver Age would ever be utilized in a Zack Snyder movie. I get what you're trying to say, though. Zack seems to prefer the 1986-through-1993 DCU and use stories from that era specifically as his base, with only a sprinkling of other stuff. In that era, Joker and Lex didn't get along at all. So I could be wrong, but I'd assume he'd have them not get along in the movies as well. Plus didn't Lex learn his lesson about banking the farm on things he couldn't control after Doomsday? I think he'd probably keep a tighter leash on things going forward after that fiasco. Joker's no Doomsday, but he's about as unpredictable. I rather think any future plans Lex would attempt would include as few "wild card" elements as possible. I mean, who knows? I just kinda look at what Zack pulls inspiration from for his movies and I don't know that he'd team up Lex and Joker. But who knows? Could very well have happened, I'm just speculating.

10-21-2020, 04:36 PM	#1536
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	True that Batman does like his trophies. I can dig it, just sort of weird.

10-21-2020, 04:39 PM	#1537
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	He's a weird guy! "I can afford, like, ALL the therapy and I don't need to be a crippled rage-case my whole life. But it's more fun to work out my issues by going out in fancy-dress and beating the dog outta people even more cracked than I am." What a headcase! I love Batman but he's a f*cking space cadet.

10-21-2020, 04:46 PM	#1538
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	The Bat branding is easier to swallow. I can take a Batman that kills and a Batman that is oddly attached to his trials/tribulations but Batman actually flaunting an execution is stretching the character pretty far. That sort of thing isn't unheard of but maybe I just feel like it's all a but much. The apocalypse, the trench coat, the execution trophies. Its like... okay, I get it, **** is dark. It is a great aesthetic and that's what Snyder does best, so I'm down. But hey, I've always been open to interpretation with Batman. Even if it strikes me as an odd creative choice, it doesn't ruin things for me. There are so many versions of Batman that they might as well all be unique.

10-21-2020, 04:49 PM	#1539
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Things seem pretty damn dark in that Knightmare Timeline. I wouldn't really rule out anything by that point, frankly. Living in a post-Darkseid Apokoliptic hellscape might do strange things to a man, one would reason.

10-21-2020, 04:51 PM	#1540
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	True. I think that's part of the issue for me. It's like the grim level is turned up to 100 on everything. Apocalypse, edgy trenchcoat, execution trophies, machine guns. It's just a lot.