April and the Turtles

[Torterra]

So how do feel towards future versions of the tmnt having April already know the turtles and maybe somewhere down the line having an episode explaining how they met sort of like how Rise was probably planned on doing ?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Torterra

So how do feel towards future versions of the tmnt having April already know the turtles and maybe somewhere down the line having an episode explaining how they met sort of like how Rise did ?

What episode of Rise did the "how they met" backstory?

[Torterra]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

What episode of Rise did the "how they met" backstory?

They never did a "how they met" episode but pretty sure if the show wasn't cancelled we would had probably gotten one.

[oldmanwinters]

So when you wrote "sort of like how Rise did it," did you have something specific in mind?

[IndigoErth]

I'm fine with it, if it's a show that skips forward and the Turtles are young adults. Then do it via flashback that shows them looking a little younger.

Rise still made them young enough (or even younger than normal) that skipping it just looks lazy.

[Luckyday]

^Wait? So any show can skip April meeting the turtles but when Rise does it's "lazy"?

I think in some book mention that she met the turtles five years ago when they all sneak on top of her apartment to use its basket ball court.

May not be cannon but I kind of like since it feels they met each other at some playground when they were kids.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

^Wait? So any show can skip April meeting the turtles but when Rise does it's "lazy"?.

Welcome back to The Technodrome Forums. The biased hypocrisy is crazy, & it comes from people in their 40's. It was a parody-lite kid's show, slow down.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Powder

Welcome back to The Technodrome Forums. The biased hypocrisy is crazy, & it comes from people in their 40's. It was a parody-lite kid's show, slow down.

Never

[Leo656]

Age-ism is no excuse. People are allowed to have taste regardless of how old they are.

"You're too old to even care, allow me to like this 'kids' thing' and keep your mouth shut" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen or heard on this or any topic. It doesn't even make sense. On the one hand, it implies that the ones criticizing a thing are "too old to care", and YET the only people who say that stuff are "adults" themselves, also ostensibly "too old to care". Talk about hypocrisy!

You see it a lot on FB, too, but it's pretty silly no matter who says it or where. "There's nothing wrong with having strong opinions about a 'kids show' (evenonewhereMOSTpeoplewatchingitAREN'Tkids, moreadultswatchTMNTthananyoneandeverybodyknowsthat c'monalready), as long as those opinions are positive. If they're negative, you're a manchild who needs to stop watching cartoons and go say hi to the sun." Double-standards out the ass, can't stand it.

Either adults aren't allowed to watch and have opinions on cartoons because they're losers by default if they do, OR they can watch and say whatever the hell they want and people can just deal with it already.

[PizzaPower1985]

I'd like to see a more trad. April, but as long as the next incarnation is aimed at older folks, I dont really care! I'd also like to see April be a strong lady character too, instead of that 87 thing.

[CyberCubed]

Did Rise really never show how April first met the Turtles?

[sdp]

The backstory of Rise April involved her being baxter's daughter if i recall correctly someone posted that in the rise forums, maybe from the story bible.

[Torterra]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Did Rise really never show how April first met the Turtles?

No, there was a book explaining how they met but whether or not it's "canon" is up in the air. Most likely they were probably going to do a flashback episode but it got cancelled.

[Torterra]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

So when you wrote "sort of like how Rise did it," did you have something specific in mind?

Sorry that was mistake on my end. But if I had an idea in mind I would say have an episode where the turtles and April celebrate the anniversary of when they met and maybe either Casey or the Slime yokai girl April became friends with asked how they met then get a flashback explaining.

[IndigoErth]

Yes, lazy because Rise never even did a flashback to cover it. Skipping it from the opening and not having to make it part of the start of a series, fine... but at least do an ep that spends a short time on a flashback that explains it. Because clearly these are not people who have just known each other since meeting in kindergarten and there's always going to be an interesting circumstance that makes them cross paths.

Originally Posted by sdp

The backstory of Rise April involved her being baxter's daughter if i recall correctly someone posted that in the rise forums, maybe from the story bible.

Baxter Stockboy, the kid years younger than her...? Yeah, never saw that crazy time machine or future/past hankypanky either. Think someone was making that up.

[Leo656]

Undoubtedly.

It's almost heartwarming, but more sad, how much more thought the fans of the show put into it and trying to make things within it make sense, than the people behind it ever did. The people making it were clearly just winging it on the story end, just rolling with whatever goofy thing came into their heads, but there's still lots of people on the End User side trying to connect dots that were never meant to be connected.

Unfortunately, "the fans care a lot more than the people behind the projects do" has pretty much come to be the enduring legacy of the entire TMNT brand, at this point. There's always going to be lots of fans going, "Why doesn't this make sense? Why wasn't this part explained or explored? Why wasn't this part done better?" And in return, the only answer they're ever going to get it, "C'mon, man, it's for babies, why do YOU even care?"

That's the way it is, and that's the way it's gonna be.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Yes, lazy because Rise never even did a flashback to cover it. Skipping it from the opening and not having to make it part of the start of a series, fine... but at least do an ep that spends a short time on a flashback that explains it. Because clearly these are not people who have just known each other since meeting in kindergarten and there's always going to be an interesting circumstance that makes them cross paths.

Sometimes yes but in other times it's more important to me to show why she likes to hanging out with them, rather to show how she met them, because once the novelty, the gratitude of saving her life, and helping with her personal things had run their course then where does that leave the actual relationship?

I don't know maybe I've see just too many version of TMNT to really want to see a April origin story at this point. It's like seeing Batman's parents get killed for the eighth time.

[IndigoErth]

*shrug* Someone could someday get creative and maybe not base their meeting on her being the damsel in distress?

Heck, they could even have her meet them through someone else (then get tangled up in their lives). Nick is so desperate to make her a kid so they have friends their own age... Why not let April remain an adult and give them a new friend who is someone April used to babysit for or is a relative or neighbor. There's other options out there.


There's certain foundational things that shouldn't be screwed with, but how they meet April isn't necessarily one of them.

[Leo656]

I'unno. Saving someone's life is a pretty solid foundation for a lifelong friendship.

I mean, let's be honest, she generally goes through a LOT of sh*t on account of them. And frankly, if the entire foundation of their first meeting and resultant friendship weren't based on them literally making sure she didn't die, it's arguable that at SOME point, she's get sick of all the hassle and cut ties with them. One could argue that knowing them, on the whole, makes her life worse, not better. Or at the very least, more complicated. And people cut ties and break off friendships for all sorts of silly reasons, far less than most of what April's gone through since knowing the Turtles.

BUT, they saved her life without even knowing who she was, and that's huge. Not only does it establish the Turtles as fairly heroic (or at least selflessly altruistic) characters right out of the gate, but it gives them a connection with her that can't (or shouldn't) ever be broken by any sort of contrivance or inconvenience.

I kinda think that if you lose that, it changes the entire structure of their friendship. Like sure, they could in theory "rescue" her again down the road, but I think it's important that they initially rescue her NOT because she's a friend or an ally, but merely because It's The Right Thing To Do.

I think that more would be lost than gained if the circumstances of their first meeting were any different. I'd argue that it does, indeed, almost "have" to be that way. Or at least, it works BEST that way. I care less about "Oh, gee, Damsel In Distress trope again," and more about what just makes the most sense for who the characters are and how they need to be positioned in correlation with each other. There's just a LOT of reasons why their first meeting makes the most sense for the overall situation.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Y'know, it'd be very interesting to see another take on "April realizes her life is **** because of the Turtles and the Foot" and see her try to move on or remove herself, only to maybe realize she can't actually go through with it.

Or maybe she does.

Everyone picks on the April storyline in "City at War", but for my money, I always really found it interesting. She WANTS to be normal, but now that she's out of it, she realizes she wants back into it.