How long was this show intended to last?

*neatoman* · 10-26-2020, 11:10 PM

Obviously two seasons isn't much, especially compared to the previous cartoons. And while the show doesn't end on a cliffhanger (aside from the tease that they're going to make a movie) it does seem as if there was more intended to be made. The question is, how much? Given that it's a kids' show, seven seasons or more is a stretch. Like seriously, anyone who honestly thinks a children's cartoon is actually meant to last at least seven seasons from the start is an idiot.

Anyway, how long? Exactly as long as it ended up being? Three seasons? Four seasons? Indefinitely?

*CyberCubed* · 10-27-2020, 08:43 AM

Had it been successful it probably would have had a 5 year run like the 2012 series did. They obviously didn't intend to give up on it after only 2 years or else it'd probably never be greenlit to begin with.

*IndigoErth* · 10-27-2020, 03:24 PM

Well, they green lit the second season before the first even premiered on tv, so it at least meant to have two. I doubt it would have stopped at only two had it been popular, but any other was prob up in the air and dependent on how well it did... annnnd then didn't get the full two.

*LeotheLateBloomer* · 10-27-2020, 05:31 PM

Didn't the creators say somewhere on their Twitter that they were hoping to go up to two to three seasons (even though Nick obviously never greenlighted for a third one)? Wouldn't be surprised if they changed some plot points for the movie due to the cancellation. Whatever they originally planned doesn't matter now though.

*sdp* · 11-15-2020, 05:50 PM

It was always meant to be a 2 season show that's why the second season had already been ordered before it ever started airing the first season. Second season was always meant to be 13 episodes only. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly part of the FAKE NEWS lame stream media

*Powder* · 11-16-2020, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

It was always meant to be a 2 season show that's why the second season had already been ordered before it ever started airing the first season. Second season was always meant to be 13 episodes only. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly part of the FAKE NEWS lame stream media

Even as your buddy, it can sometimes be hard to tell when you're goofing.

For the record, numerous writers & animators for Rise confirmed they got the hammer mid-way & were forced to rush out a finale in six weeks time.

*sdp* · 11-16-2020, 11:09 PM

Ambiguity

*Roseangelo* · 11-16-2020, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

It was always meant to be a 2 season show that's why the second season had already been ordered before it ever started airing the first season. Second season was always meant to be 13 episodes only. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly part of the FAKE NEWS lame stream media

Lame stream media doesn't give a crap about Rise to bother making up fake news. As Powder said, the show was chopped and was supposed to have at least a full two seasons.

I expect the original intention was more, considering how gung ho they were to announce the two seasons and then the movie. I mean, by the time they announced the movie everyone was already like, "WTF? Why? No one wants this." And yet it's happening anyways.

*CyberCubed* · 11-16-2020, 11:30 PM

I still wonder why they cut the 2012 series short when it could have theoretically had 7 seasons to match the 4kids series. Ratings for Rise were even worse than the 2012 series, so I doubt there would have been much difference.

It's just a baffling move when the 2012 show was a success with kids and older fans.

*Roseangelo* · 11-17-2020, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I still wonder why they cut the 2012 series short when it could have theoretically had 7 seasons to match the 4kids series. Ratings for Rise were even worse than the 2012 series, so I doubt there would have been much difference.

It's just a baffling move when the 2012 show was a success with kids and older fans.

Nothing about Rise's existence makes sense. Somehow Nickelodeon was convinced this show would be the second coming of Jesus Turtles and threw all their eggs in that basket.

*Andrew NDB* · 11-17-2020, 12:36 AM

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Nothing about Rise's existence makes sense. Somehow Nickelodeon was convinced this show would be the second coming of Jesus Turtles and threw all their eggs in that basket.

I'm still thinking it was a cheap, low-risk experiment for Nick/Viacom to fill the void until the next, "Real" TMNT cartoon. Whatever shape that may take. Like, if it takes off and sells toys and/or gets good ratings, awesome! We'll keep at it. If not? Oh well, we're out like (the equivalent of) $5.

But idk.

*Roseangelo* · 11-17-2020, 12:54 AM

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I'm still thinking it was a cheap, low-risk experiment for Nick/Viacom to fill the void until the next, "Real" TMNT cartoon. Whatever shape that may take. Like, if it takes off and sells toys and/or gets good ratings, awesome! We'll keep at it. If not? Oh well, we're out like (the equivalent of) $5.

But idk.

If they would have let Ciro's show run its course as he intended, maaaaaybe I could believe that. But they announced Rise before that show finished its jolted last season.

And then remember that publicity stunt they threw to "reveal" the character designs, which were leaked earlier in the day and everyone hated them before the event even started and Andre had to pretend he liked them but he was not really selling that very well, and there was the random girl who they told us was a TMNT fan but she knew none of the basic trivia. That kind of event doesn't even play to the intended audience of the show. They just dug so hard and kept digging.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-17-2020, 01:05 AM

Nickelodeon, contemplating the failure of "Rise" and its rejection by 99% of TMNT fans:

*Autbot_Benz* · 11-17-2020, 03:28 PM

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Andre had to pretend he liked them but he was not really selling that very well,

ya now that you mention it. Andre rarely talked about Rise on his youtube channel but he did regular 2012 recaps. Andre did only 3 Rise videos one about if he likes it or not.

*sdp* · 11-17-2020, 09:38 PM

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It's just a baffling move when the 2012 show was a success with kids and older fans.

2012 wasn't making them much money anymore, and another season would've just been more diminishing returns so they took a gambit and rebooted with a new how aimed at kids.
Adults didn't like Rise but it didn't matter since it wasn't aimed at them, it's kids who make them money off merchandise not adult collectors. The thing is kids not only were no longer interested in 2012, they weren't interested in anything turtles related.

In hindsight it would've been a better business move to make one last season of 2012 and have the franchise be dormant for a bit until they could renew interest in the property with a new generation. Instead they killed it for a few more years by alienating the few kid fans they had and not getting new ones but leaving a bad impression. I'm sure they won't be actively working on anything new TMNT related for a while.

~~Leo656~~ · 11-17-2020, 09:59 PM

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it's kids who make them money off merchandise not adult collectors.

*shredder orokusaki* · 11-22-2020, 02:44 PM

If it was like the 2003 or IDW or 2012 then it would had last 6 or 7 seasons for sure.

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11-22-2020, 02:44 PM	#17
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10-27-2020, 08:43 AM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	Had it been successful it probably would have had a 5 year run like the 2012 series did. They obviously didn't intend to give up on it after only 2 years or else it'd probably never be greenlit to begin with.

10-27-2020, 03:24 PM	#3
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Well, they green lit the second season before the first even premiered on tv, so it at least meant to have two. I doubt it would have stopped at only two had it been popular, but any other was prob up in the air and dependent on how well it did... annnnd then didn't get the full two.

10-27-2020, 05:31 PM	#4
LeotheLateBloomer Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,117	Didn't the creators say somewhere on their Twitter that they were hoping to go up to two to three seasons (even though Nick obviously never greenlighted for a third one)? Wouldn't be surprised if they changed some plot points for the movie due to the cancellation. Whatever they originally planned doesn't matter now though.

11-16-2020, 11:30 PM	#9
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	I still wonder why they cut the 2012 series short when it could have theoretically had 7 seasons to match the 4kids series. Ratings for Rise were even worse than the 2012 series, so I doubt there would have been much difference. It's just a baffling move when the 2012 show was a success with kids and older fans.

11-17-2020, 01:05 AM	#13
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Nickelodeon, contemplating the failure of "Rise" and its rejection by 99% of TMNT fans: