IronHeart disney + Series

[Autbot_Benz]

Looks like RIRI Willams is getting her own series

[neatoman]

Does anyone actually care about this character? What was the last comic she was part of?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Does anyone actually care about this character? What was the last comic she was part of?

Riri was in the Infinity Countdown comic Champions and she had her own solo Invincible Iron Man 11 issue series back in 2006

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Good for her. But I really, really don't give a $hit.

Did her comic series even succeed? Is IronHeart even still a thing in the comics?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Good for her. But I really, really don't give a $hit.

Did her comic series even succeed? Is IronHeart even still a thing in the comics?

Last I read Riri has shown up in the newest run of Iron Man that started this year

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

On the one hand, Iron Man going out like a boss was great.

On the other hand, we never did get Tony facing off against the actual Mandarin. I'm still irked by Iron Man 3. That's when I realized I would never again see a MCU movie without spoilers beforehand.

So this and Armor Wars with War Machine... I find it hard to care about Iron Man stories told without Iron Man.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Last I read Riri has shown up in the newest run of Iron Man that started this year

She had no presence of note in the "Iron Man 2020" event that began earlier this year (which was garbage) and she has nothing to do with the current Cantwell and Cafu series. Which, by the way is the best Iron Man I've read since the Knauf's wrote the book back in 2007. The Iron Man comic has literally been a dismal mess starting with Matt Fraction's truly awful run that coincided with the first Iron Man movie.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Good for her. But I really, really don't give a $hit.

Did her comic series even succeed? Is IronHeart even still a thing in the comics?

Her first appearance is a back issue burner, but that's mostly supported by the modern wave of speculation investors as opposed to any true cult of fandom for the character. This character is another Bendis-agenda-creation. The concept took over the Iron Man book for way to long. But to put it bluntly - the character was embedded into the regular Iron Man book for a year and when launched on it's own merits the Iron Heart book was not a success. It yielded nothing of note in terms story, sales, or even low print run interest. Now and again you'll find an aftermarket gougers for a Riri ratio-variant related to the short lived Iron Heart series; and the first appearance book which benefited from a ratio variant and the current comic speculation craze.

But ultimately if the character brings in new readership and makes a heroic archetype for a new generation of reader, that's cool. If the character finds it's own footing, then cool. The character wasn't "for me" so hopefully then the readership the character was for shows up. So far they haven't.

On another note, if anyone here is an Iron Man fan or collector then you should find us on Facebook under the group name, "Advanced Iron". It's the continuation of a great Iron Man website and online PDF comics magazine that was around for two decades before migrating over the Facebook.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

On the one hand, Iron Man going out like a boss was great.

On the other hand, we never did get Tony facing off against the actual Mandarin. I'm still irked by Iron Man 3. That's when I realized I would never again see a MCU movie without spoilers beforehand.

So this and Armor Wars with War Machine... I find it hard to care about Iron Man stories told without Iron Man.

Iron Man 3. Where Marvel Studios catered to China for fear of box office. They called their own I.P. a "racist caricature" and instead chose to make "the Mandarin" of the movie a rich white guy. Because you know... rich white guys are evil and that's more believable than a Chinese cultural fanatic that is brilliant enough to climb to power intellectually, physically and through technological rings. That movie was a $#!( storm disaster of crap. I'm still mad about it. To this day I have never bought Iron Man 3. I won't support it financially at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Iron Man 3. Where Marvel Studios catered to China for fear of box office. They called their own I.P. a "racist caricature" and instead chose to make "the Mandarin" of the movie a rich white guy. Because you know... rich white guys are evil and that's more believable than a Chinese cultural fanatic that is brilliant enough to climb to power intellectually, physically and through technological rings. That movie was a $#!( storm disaster of crap. I'm still mad about it. To this day I have never bought Iron Man 3. I won't support it financially at all.

Good for you! Don't give Iron Man 3 your money... FUUCK that movie.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't why but it sometimes irks me how fast some of these characters get movies or shows when they were barely introduced in the comics. Like it took the avengers how many years to finally get a live action adaptation but it only takes Riri like 10 or so to get a live action series.

We're gonna reach the point some new character will get a movie or series before they've even had 5 solid issues out.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I don't why but it sometimes irks me how fast some of these characters get movies or shows when they were barely introduced in the comics. Like it took the avengers how many years to finally get a live action adaptation but it only takes Riri like 10 or so to get a live action series.

We're gonna reach the point some new character will get a movie or series before they've even had 5 solid issues out.

It's the agenda, man. Some of these characters weren't even created altruistically. They were created by edict on the agenda or subscription to it. And so it's fast tracked. Because it's the agenda.

Like I said on a few other occasions - cool. I hope the intended audience shows up. If they do it would truly be a good thing.

I also just read that they are butchering Tony Stark's most relevant story. The story that SHOULD'VE been Iron Man 2. The Armor Wars. Now it's a T.V. series where Rhodey goes through the motions. I love Rhodey that is a complete character assassination on Stark given the content of that amazing arc from Iron Man vol 1 #225 - 232.

As a side bar, one of my claims to nerd-fame:

[sdp]

It's too bad we never got a second Iron Man Trilogy or at the very least an Iron Man 4, why? Now Tony Stark is dead and it's too late, I'm ok with Ironheart eventually becoming Iron Man and being the new Iron Man in a movie until Tony Stark is recast and they find some comic book reason as to why Tony is alive.

[Leo656]

Y'know, if they really wanted to bring Tony Stark back in the movies, there's precedent in the comics, albeit in a story not everybody liked very much. I'm sure IMJ knows the one I mean.

They did a story once when Tony Stark was brainwashed by some bad guy (Kang, I think his name was?) and became a villain, and so the Avengers had to go back in time and pluck a much younger Tony Stark from before he was brainwashed out of the past and bring him to the present to fight his older, corrupted self. I think "Evil Tony" died and then Teenage Tony became the new Iron Man full-time for a while. I forget how the arc ended, I think it had something to do with the whole "Heroes Reborn" nonsense.

I mean, they'd have to change most of the details quite a bit, but they could still use the same basic "pull a younger Tony Stark out of the past" gimmick if they decide that their universe needs Iron Man for the movies that badly. It wouldn't even need to be a teenager, since that was seemingly the most contentious part of the angle. They could just as well use a younger actor who's 20-something and do it that way. And they've already established time travel as a plot device.

As soon as I heard they'd killed off Tony Stark in the movies - especially one with such a heavy focus on time travel - that's the first thing I thought of as to how they could bring him back eventually. I wouldn't give up on ever seeing Iron Man in the movies again. Something tells me they'll do some variation of this exact idea before too long. And it would fit the MCU track record of doing things "kinda sorta" from the comics but doing them completely differently.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Y'know, if they really wanted to bring Tony Stark back in the movies, there's precedent in the comics, albeit in a story not everybody liked very much. I'm sure IMJ knows the one I mean.

They did a story once when Tony Stark was brainwashed by some bad guy (Kang, I think his name was?) and became a villain, and so the Avengers had to go back in time and pluck a much younger Tony Stark from before he was brainwashed out of the past and bring him to the present to fight his older, corrupted self. I think "Evil Tony" died and then Teenage Tony became the new Iron Man full-time for a while. I forget how the arc ended, I think it had something to do with the whole "Heroes Reborn" nonsense.

I mean, they'd have to change most of the details quite a bit, but they could still use the same basic "pull a younger Tony Stark out of the past" gimmick if they decide that their universe needs Iron Man for the movies that badly. It wouldn't even need to be a teenager, since that was seemingly the most contentious part of the angle. They could just as well use a younger actor who's 20-something and do it that way. And they've already established time travel as a plot device.

As soon as I heard they'd killed off Tony Stark in the movies - especially one with such a heavy focus on time travel - that's the first thing I thought of as to how they could bring him back eventually. I wouldn't give up on ever seeing Iron Man in the movies again. Something tells me they'll do some variation of this exact idea before too long. And it would fit the MCU track record of doing things "kinda sorta" from the comics but doing them completely differently.

Only problem I see with this is, if they bring back Tony in the current MCU instead of an all-new reboot.... that new guy is gonna have some big shoes to fill. Not only woul he have to play Tony, he'd also better be damn good at all of Robert Downey Jr's mannerisms and such.

[Leo656]

Meh. Characters are bigger than actors. They always say "The new guy probably won't live up to the other guy" and 99% of the time the new guy does even better.

I've always found Downey very smarmy and unlikeable, personally. And yeah, I get it, "That's Tony Stark" and therefore he's perfect for it. But it gets old after a while. Like I love Bill Murray, too, but he's got the same kinda "Everyone in this room is a complete idiot except for me" thing going on and sometimes it's a little tiresome.

But yeah, they'll get a new guy eventually and it'll probably be fine. Possibly even better. I just have a very hard time believing they'll never have Iron Man in a movie again, and I don't think they'll wait for a full reboot to go there. We'll see.

[sdp]

I don't see them bringing Tony Stark anytime soon but in 10 years, he's fair game and I don't think they'll do a straight up reboot, most likely a soft reboot of sorts to bring in new actors for the older heroes of the MCU while still maintaining the newer heroes of the MCU. That's if superhero movies don't collapse in the next few years, in that case then yeah full reboot eventually.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Y'know, if they really wanted to bring Tony Stark back in the movies, there's precedent in the comics, albeit in a story not everybody liked very much. I'm sure IMJ knows the one I mean.

They did a story once when Tony Stark was brainwashed by some bad guy (Kang, I think his name was?) and became a villain, and so the Avengers had to go back in time and pluck a much younger Tony Stark from before he was brainwashed out of the past and bring him to the present to fight his older, corrupted self. I think "Evil Tony" died and then Teenage Tony became the new Iron Man full-time for a while. I forget how the arc ended, I think it had something to do with the whole "Heroes Reborn" nonsense.

I mean, they'd have to change most of the details quite a bit, but they could still use the same basic "pull a younger Tony Stark out of the past" gimmick if they decide that their universe needs Iron Man for the movies that badly. It wouldn't even need to be a teenager, since that was seemingly the most contentious part of the angle. They could just as well use a younger actor who's 20-something and do it that way. And they've already established time travel as a plot device.

As soon as I heard they'd killed off Tony Stark in the movies - especially one with such a heavy focus on time travel - that's the first thing I thought of as to how they could bring him back eventually. I wouldn't give up on ever seeing Iron Man in the movies again. Something tells me they'll do some variation of this exact idea before too long. And it would fit the MCU track record of doing things "kinda sorta" from the comics but doing them completely differently.

I absolutely believe they are going to do this on film to be honest. They are setting up Kang as the next big bad after they cast the guy from Lovecraft Country in the role.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Only problem I see with this is, if they bring back Tony in the current MCU instead of an all-new reboot.... that new guy is gonna have some big shoes to fill. Not only woul he have to play Tony, he'd also better be damn good at all of Robert Downey Jr's mannerisms and such.

I think we talked about this in another thread. Everyone felt the same way about Connery as James Bond, and now here we are 28 films later or whatever... Also the new guy wouldn't have to act like Downey. Downey created a Stark that was akin to him, not akin to what the comics produced. In many ways it's actually ashame that everyone thinks Tony Stark is a wise-ass, ass-wipe personality hero. That's actually not the character at all until that's what Downey did with it. And how he's like it in the books and it's awful.

I always felt that personality was okay in the first movie. Because the events of the first movie are what is supposed to change him. But they ran with it throughout all of the films. I didn't hate it by any means, but it wasn't right. We are actually having a discussion very similar to this on the Advanced Iron group because of all of the Iron Man related news that was just dropped - all of it without friggin' Iron Man.

[Andrew NDB]

What, you guys really don't think the "real Mandarin" (who has been foreshadowed since way back in the "All Hail the King" short) will show up in "Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings"? I figured that was a sure thing.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Did her comic series even succeed?

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Last I read Riri has shown up in the newest run of Iron Man that started this year

One thing doesn't have much to do with the other.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What, you guys really don't think the "real Mandarin" (who has been foreshadowed since way back in the "All Hail the King" short) will show up in "Shang-Chi and the Legend of the 10 Rings"? I figured that was a sure thing.





One thing doesn't have much to do with the other.

Oh it's already confirmed that he is. And it's frustrating as hell. Especially how Marvel went on about how their own intellectual property was a racist caricature as their excuse to keep the character out of Iron Man 3 and to appease China for the box office.

But now they have Shang Chi so I guess that was all talk and bull ****.

It's very frustrating.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Oh it's already confirmed that he is. And it's frustrating as hell. Especially how Marvel went on about how their own intellectual property was a racist caricature as their excuse to keep the character out of Iron Man 3 and to appease China for the box office.

But now they have Shang Chi so I guess that was all talk and bull ****.

Maybe they figure as long as it's not a straight white guy fighting him, it's more OK? Or they'll make the Mandarin into a robot or an AI or something. They can't go supernatural or bye bye China dollars.

[Leo656]

If it's streaming-only they can more or less say "Bye Bye ANY kinda dollars". So in the end it really doesn't matter, does it?