Wonder Woman 1984

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

“Wonder Woman 1984 broke records and exceeded our expectations across all of our key viewing and subscriber metrics in its first 24 hours on the service"—Andy Forssell, Executive Vice President and General Manager, WarnerMedia Direct-to-Consumer

https://twitter.com/warnermedia/stat...986311680?s=21
https://t.co/zPBPeNAgfx?amp=1

Well of course it did. It launched on Christmas to home streaming and theaters. It was successful proportionate to the current events of things. People were looking for something to watch and everyone watched it at about the same time before word of mouth has spread.

LMAO!

This assessment by the bla bla bla @$$wipe super-title guy from Warner Media is empty.

[neatoman]

Well this movie... Was a weird one...

[CyberCubed]

I thought Cheetah was a lesbian at the beginning of the movie. She literally asked Diana out on a date, but then as it went on she fell for Max.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I thought Cheetah was a lesbian at the beginning of the movie. She literally asked Diana out on a date, but then as it went on she fell for Max.

Ehhh I didn't get that out of it. Some people are more personable when trying to make friends. It doesn't mean sex..... lol!

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I thought Cheetah was a lesbian at the beginning of the movie. She literally asked Diana out on a date, but then as it went on she fell for Max.

You never got asked out by a friend huh?

[neatoman]

So how much plastic surgery has Lynda Carter gotten?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So how much plastic surgery has Lynda Carter gotten?

Maybe just good makeup and lighting? I mean she looked well put together by all means but... isn't that... you know... what they do on film?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

You never got asked out by a friend huh?

Cybercubrd sees lesbians everywhere.

[Leo656]

With regard to why it's called "WW1984", you have to remember WHEN they announced the movie in the first place, back in 2017-ish.

People still cared about "Stranger Things" and "X-Men: Apocalypse" was supposed to actually be successful and not totally sh*t the bed. '80s Nostalgia was at a peak and this movie was announced as a way to ride that wave. "Ghostbusters: Afterlife" was announced shortly after, for the exact same reasons (to the point of being another "Stranger Things" riff).

Of course, WB/DC, as usual, were a day late and a dollar short. The movie came out too late and now nobody really cares about that kind of thing anymore. People are off of "Stranger Things" and on to "The Mandalorian".

WB should have either released this movie last year as planned, OR given Diana a puppet sidekick that everyone obstinately insists on calling by the wrong name.

[Andrew NDB]

Apocalypse was the 80s one. Dark Phoenix was the 90s one.

Such a stupid series.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Apocalypse was the 80s one. Dark Phoenix was the 90s one.

Such a stupid series.

You're right, my bad.

Making them all decade-specific period pieces was a laughably bad move in hindsight, but 5 years ago it seemed like that was the path most/all comic book movies were going to take going forward. What were they thinking? See, this is what I mean; "X-Men: First Class" gets a good reaction, and suddenly everybody says "we're going to do super-hero movies as period pieces". First Class wasn't even that good! Yeesh.

Nothing but trend-chasers, these people. It's no wonder so many movies go wrong.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Maybe just good makeup and lighting? I mean she looked well put together by all means but... isn't that... you know... what they do on film?

She's 69. By the time she died, Carrie Fisher was almost a decade younger and she still looked older in TLJ than Carter does here.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by neatoman

She's 69. By the time she died, Carrie Fisher was almost a decade younger and she still looked older in TLJ than Carter does here.

Yeah,but Fisher was addicted to drugs in the 80's, so, y'know....

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Yeah,but Fisher was addicted to drugs in the 80's, so, y'know....

And the 70s... and the 90s... and the 00s... and the 2010s...

I mean, let's not sugarcoat things. The woman spent more time loaded than she did working. One could make the case that the label "Professional Junkie" is as if not more applicable than "Professional Actress". She sure spent a lot more time on the former than the latter when you add it all up.

Y'know, if we wanna be completely honest. And yeah, that lifestyle has a habit of putting some miles on your face.

Although with regard to Lynda Carter, anyone who's watched the old 70's Wonder Woman TV show and paid close attention to her pupils can tell you she was definitely hopped up on cocaine and/or Quaaludes for most if not all of it. So it's not like she's "immune" to the ravages of such things, either; she's most definitely had some rather extensive work done over the years. I don't think she's ever even denied it even though she most likely won't brag about it.

I think if one were to compare and contrast the two, I would simply say that Carter was more vain than Carrie and in turn more apt to go about having work done. Carrie was never shy about not giving much of a sh*t about her looks, to the point where she was often rather overweight and haggard-looking if she wasn't "required" to look presentable such as when preparing for a role. So their individual personalities were definitely a factor insofar as how they presented themselves. Carter was a beauty queen, she's had a "perfect figure" and porcelain skin since the 1970s and never appears on-camera as anything less than "perfect" even if she's just doing an interview. Obviously she has work done, and often. Carrie Fisher, by contrast, had much more of an "Eh, f*ck it" attitude about most things in life and therefore probably only ever had work done on Disney's dime for the Sequel movies, where it was probably a requirement of her contract. She probably wouldn't have even bothered otherwise.

But yeah, asking if Lynda Carter has had any work done is like asking if Chris Hemsworth is on steroids when he's playing Thor. If you even have to ask, your Common Sense Button is broken.

[Leo656]

I'd have to dig around and find the article again, but I read a snippet of an interview with Gal Gadot earlier where she tried to put over the movie's version of Max Lord as being more complex and "not just being an evil villain like in the comic books."

What a dope. Anyone who's READ the damn comic books would know that Max Lord isn't "evil", he's a misguided humanist who has a severe mistrust of aliens and metahumans and thinks that they're too dangerous to operate unchecked, and that they need to either be kept under control or eliminated so that human society doesn't get wiped out at their hands. Specifically, that mistrust became acute after his mother was killed in the Coast City Disaster, and that event was what pushed him over the edge towards trying to bring the metahumans to heel at any cost. The irony, of course, being that he's a low-level metahuman himself what with his mind control powers; however, he also falls victim to the "Only Sane Man" fallacy in which he believes that unlike the others, HE can be trusted to do "the right thing" and that every "evil" act he undertakes is in service to a much greater good. That's why he manipulated the Justice League, that's why he became Black King of Checkmate, that's why he stole Brother Eye from Batman... not "Because Evil". Because HE thinks he's "saving the world" from the "metahuman scourge".

So... yeah, Max Lord in the comics isn't a one-dimensional, mustache-twirling "evil" super-villain. And Gadot or Jenkins would know that if they'd bothered to read the goddamn comics instead of skimming Wikipedia and reading that "Wonder Woman killed a guy named Max Lord once" before deciding to cast their villain. He's "deep" and "complicated" enough without becoming a Magical Wish Genie, you f*cking hacks.

You know what the real tragedy in all this is? MoS and BvS had already perfectly created an environment for the REAL Max Lord character to come into play. I mean they spend SO much time on the fact that people don't trust the metahumans, they think they're dangerous, and Lex gives an entire speech about how someone needs to stop them before they go completely out of control. That's practically his entire motivation, and you know for a fact that he's not the only one who thinks that way. "Suicide Squad" basically exists because the U.S. government in the universe of the movies has the exact same misgivings about the potential threat of metahumans. If they hadn't pissed away "Max Lord" on this Wonder Woman movie, they could easily have introduced him in another movie, most likely surreptitiously working with Lex or something like that. Even Checkmate would have fit into things, given that "Suicide Squad" already established that the government keeps extensive tabs on metahumans and all that. The idea of a shadowy cabal of influential "puppet-masters" manipulating events on a grand scale for their own ends wouldn't have been at all out of place given what we've already seen. And just like in the comics, Max Lord could have operated publicly as an affluent businessman while secretly being the one pulling the strings on everything as Black King. A JL sequel could have even had him "join" the team as their government liaison, only for him to eventually betray them a couple of movies later.

So much story potential, wasted. If only they'd bothered to read about the actual character instead of just pulling a name out of a hat. They REALLY need to leave these movies to people who actually READ comics.

Instead they pat themselves on the back for turning an actual "complex character" into a f*cking joke, and call it "progress". Hacks!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'd have to dig around and find the article again, but I read a snippet of an interview with Gal Gadot earlier where she tried to put over the movie's version of Max Lord as being more complex and "not just being an evil villain like in the comic books."

What a dope. Anyone who's READ the damn comic books would know that Max Lord isn't "evil", he's a misguided humanist who has a severe mistrust of aliens and metahumans and thinks that they're too dangerous to operate unchecked, and that they need to either be kept under control or eliminated so that human society doesn't get wiped out at their hands. Specifically, that mistrust became acute after his mother was killed in the Coast City Disaster, and that event was what pushed him over the edge towards trying to bring the metahumans to heel at any cost. The irony, of course, being that he's a low-level metahuman himself what with his mind control powers; however, he also falls victim to the "Only Sane Man" fallacy in which he believes that unlike the others, HE can be trusted to do "the right thing" and that every "evil" act he undertakes is in service to a much greater good. That's why he manipulated the Justice League, that's why he became Black King of Checkmate, that's why he stole Brother Eye from Batman... not "Because Evil". Because HE thinks he's "saving the world" from the "metahuman scourge".

Guaranteed it wasn't Gal Gadot or anyone else wanting to put Max Lord over as a "complex" villain but rather their cardboard thin Trump wish fulfilment thing not testing well at all.

Also: maybe making the villain of your superhero movie an empty effigy of someone half of the country is pretty OK with probably isn't the best idea from the starting plate.

[ranger_scout]

On Saturday for my big Christmas present, my parents let me rent out an AMC Theater to see the movie. My brother and dad got to go with me and so did my friend who sat at the far end of the row. The film wasn’t flawless, but it was enjoyable. I liked seeing Kristen Wiig play a sympathetic but very evil villain. It was very different from the roles she usually plays, which are very humorous. Gadot and Pine are still as flawless as ever and so were Robin Wright and Connie Nielsen. I also enjoyed the messages of how honesty and children can make a huge impact on our lives and the introduction of the invisible jet.

Spoiler:

Lynda Carter still looks incredible at 69 during that mid-credits scene.

[Shark_Blade]

‘WONDER WOMAN 1984’ has reportedly already been watched more in its first week than any other 2020 SVOD movie, just beating ‘HAMILTON’.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...e-survey-finds

[Shark_Blade]

‘WONDER WOMAN 1984’ has earned $100M at the worldwide box office.

https://deadline.com/2020/12/wonder-...ce-1234663766/

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

‘WONDER WOMAN 1984’ has earned $100M at the worldwide box office.

https://deadline.com/2020/12/wonder-...ce-1234663766/

Well normally it would be a bad thing but under the current circumstances...