Wonder Woman 1984

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like the RLM media guys rip it a new one:



"They let her write it?"

[Sumac]

SJW gonna pop a vein, not that they loved RLM before, lol.

[Shark_Blade]

1984's Original Wonder Woman Cameo Means Lynda Carter Exists On 3 DC Earths

Following her big reveal in Wonder Woman 1984, Lynda Carter officially exists on 3 DC Earths in Warner Bros.' massive live-action Multiverse.

https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-...onnection/amp/

Thanks to Wonder Woman 1984, Lynda Carter officially exists across three different Earths in the larger DC multiverse. Diana Prince is finally back as Gal Gadot's DCEU sequel was released in theaters and on HBO Max on Christmas. But it appears the Patty Jenkins-directed film had more than one Diana in the latest installment, so to speak. During the post-credits scene, Carter makes a wonderful cameo that became an iconic moment for the Wonder Woman franchise. While Gadot was the first actress to ever bring Diana Prince to the big screen, Carter has been recognized and beloved for her portrayal of the iconic Amazonian heroine. In the '70s, Carter starred in the TV series Wonder Woman, which captured the world and continues to do so decades later.

While the show lasted for three seasons, Carter's Wonder Woman series has become a huge part of the pop culture as well as the character's overall legacy. Even though it took longer than it should have for Diana to get her cinematic debut, Gadot's franchise has been one of the most beloved aspects of the DCEU. The success of Wonder Woman 1984 inspired Warner Bros. to officially fast-track Wonder Woman 3 with Jenkins returning to the director's and writer's chairs. But following Carter's surprise cameo, the iconic actress now exists in multiple worlds that are part of Warner Bros.' massive DC live-action multiverse. Thanks to the CW's Arrowverse, the last crossover helped solidify Warner Bros.' live-action DC properties from the past, present, future on both the big and small screens.

During the five-part TV event "Crisis on Infinite Earths," multiple worlds that belonged to various DC TV shows and films were referenced and shown, thereby confirming that they all exist in the same multiverse. While the original multiverse was ultimately destroyed, Oliver Queen rebooted it as the Spectre while also creating new Earths as well as restoring a few past ones. Because of the Arrowverse, everything Warner Bros. has and will do based on DC properties, even if they take place on their own Earths, is all connected through the multiverse, including the DCEU. Since they established that, it means Carter's Wonder Woman 1984 reveal isn't the only character she plays in the DC multiverse. Here is every character that Wonder Woman star Carter has played across Warner Bros.' DC live-action properties.

Earth-76 Wonder Woman

While several past DC actors made an appearance in "Crisis on Infinite Earths," there were attempts made to get Carter to reprise her Wonder Woman in the crossover. But as viewers saw for themselves, Carter never appeared in the five-part event that changed the Arrowverse forever. Whether it was due to budget or scheduling, it was certainly something the Arrowverse creators tried to make happen. However, just because Carter's Wonder Woman didn't show up in the televised crossover, that doesn't mean the Arrowverse writers didn't find a way to make her series canon in their Multiverse. Arrowverse EP Marc Guggenheim co-wrote a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" tie-in comic, Paragons Rising, that had two storylines that involved other Earths that the TV event couldn't show.

One of the Earths that the comic visits is an Earth-76 that briefly sees Diana changing into her Wonder Woman suit and including her famous costume change spin. Given the similarities to Carter's iteration of the DC heroine, Guggenheim was able to make her show officially part of the Arrowverse multiverse. Even though that Earth got destroyed by the Anti-Monitor, it's very likely that in Guggenheim's head-canon, Earth-76 was restored similarly to Smallville whose Earth still exists post-Crisis. It's hard to imagine that the Arrowverse would ever kill off someone as iconic as Carter's Wonder Woman, especially off-screen since not every viewer did read that tie-in comic. Even if it might be years until Carter ever reprises her Wonder Woman in live-action, at least her incarnation does exist as part of Earth-76.

Earth-Prime President Olivia Marsdin/Durlan

Wonder Woman is confirmed to exist in the Arrowverse despite not making a single appearance on any of the shows. However, before Earth-38 (Supergirl's world) was destroyed in the Crisis, Carter did make her way into the Arrowverse as a different character. One of the big additions for Supergirl season 2 was when Carter was cast as the President of the United States who was a recurring guest character for three seasons. However, as the Arrowverse is known for, there was a big twist to Carter's character Olivia Marsdin. During the second season, Olivia was revealed to be a Durlan, an alien who had come to Earth to find refuge there after her world was enslaved.

While Olivia managed to build a political career that landed her in the White Office, she used her presidency to create the Alien Amnesty Act. But after she was revealed to be an alien in Supergirl season 4, Olivia had to resign and she has only been referenced since then. Even though Olivia hasn't shown up on Supergirl or any of the other Arrowverse shows post-Crisis, it seems that her history on Earth-Prime is pretty much the same as it was on Earth-38. Perhaps, if fans are lucky, Carter's character will make one final return to Supergirl during the sixth season before the show comes to an end.

Earth-DCEU Asteria

Last, but not least, Carter's latest endeavor in the DC Universe came in Wonder Woman 1984. During the history lesson of the Golden Eagle Armor, the film tells the story of Asteria, a great Amazon hero that fought an entire army on her own so her sisters could reach Themyscira. All the Amazons gave up pieces of their armor that were then used to create the Golden Eagle Armor. Thanks to it, Asteria was able to hold off the army singlehandedly, thus becoming a legend among the Amazons. For a brief moment during the flashbacks, Asteria's eyes are seen as she is taking on the army. While Asteria was believed to have sacrificed herself, it turns out that wasn't the case.

In Wonder Woman 1984's post-credit scene, it follows a mysterious dark-haired woman in a blue cloak as she is walking in a city. Out of a sudden, a pole almost falls upon a mother and her baby before the mystery woman stops it with just one hand. As the mother follows her to thank the mystery hero, the woman turns around to introduce herself and it's Carter, who reveals herself to be Asteria. When asked how she was able to stop the pole, Asteria evasively responds it's just a "shift of weight" that takes practice, echoing Diana's excuses from earlier in the movie. But Asteria's serious answer is that she has been doing this for "a long time" before turning to and winking to the camera before the credits start rolling again.

What this reveals is that not only was the legend of Asteria real but that she is living among the human civilization in secrecy. It's unlikely that Jenkins will leave this unresolved for Wonder Woman 3 and beyond. With someone as iconic as Carter and what she has done for this character, it would be a massive disappointment if Asteria and Diana somehow aren't together in the next installment or even in the already-in-development Wonder Woman 4. If Grant Gustin and Ezra Miller's multiverse Flashes could share the screen together for a minute, it shouldn't be difficult for Wonder Woman and Asteria to come together. Whatever is in store for Asteria after Wonder Woman 1984, Lynda Carter made into not one, but three different canon DC Earths.

[ZariusTwo]

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

1984's Original Wonder Woman Cameo Means Lynda Carter Exists On 3 DC Earths

Following her big reveal in Wonder Woman 1984, Lynda Carter officially exists on 3 DC Earths in Warner Bros.' massive live-action Multiverse.

And Stan Lee exists in at least 19 iterations of the Marvel universe. Why does it matter?

[Sumac]

Shark_Blade, decided to annoy the heck out of everyone with re-posting whole articles.

Funny thing, it won't change opinion of anyone, but will create even more opposition. If that is your goal - well, be my guest.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Shark_Blade, decided to annoy the heck out of everyone with re-posting whole articles.

Funny thing, it won't change opinion of anyone, but will create even more opposition. If that is your goal - well, be my guest.

I had to ask because some of his posting patterns either make no sense or scream of agenda - these articles based on press releases from the studio as if it's actually data or something...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Everything else aside, not even when he literally... built a giant wall in the movie? To keep out people?

He didn't do that, though. It was literally just granting the Arab guy's wish. The fact that it created a literal wall around his country (and blocked it from the river- wtf??!) was secondary to the wish. I have a few issues with this movie, but aside from his out of control greed/need for respect and validation, and his visual style, he really had very little in common with Trump. The guy was even obsessed with making his son (whom he never really paid much attention to, otherwise) "proud of him". Which he seemed to equate to love. But that's not Trump, really. Not at all.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

He didn't do that, though. It was literally just granting the Arab guy's wish. The fact that it created a literal wall around his country (and blocked it from the river- wtf??!) was secondary to the wish. I have a few issues with this movie, but aside from his out of control greed/need for respect and validation, and his visual style, he really had very little in common with Trump.

A media mogul (among other things) who rose to power in the White House and would go on to build walls for people. Who was literally patterned after Trump (as others have pointed out, we know this because they told us this). It also seemed clear to me in the movie that as soon as Max absorbed the wishing crystal thing, he controlled and shaped the "way" the wishes people wished were granted. This would often mean skewing them to his benefit as he said and showed, but the fact that he was able to do this at all means that he was the one doling out their realization.

i.e., he built the wall. And if you think that a giant wall got built in a country to keep out foreigners by a character they -- again -- literally told us is patterned after Trump in a movie coming out in 2020 is mere coincidence... that isn't just naivete. That's crazy.

The guy was even obsessed with making his son (whom he never really paid much attention to, otherwise) "proud of him". Which he seemed to equate to love.

His son was for sure a reshoot thing. He didn't exist until they added him after the fact.

But that's not Trump, really. Not at all.

Orange Man is so bad that he doesn't even love his son(s) now? Yeesh.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Shark_Blade, decided to annoy the heck out of everyone with re-posting whole articles.

Funny thing, it won't change opinion of anyone, but will create even more opposition. If that is your goal - well, be my guest.

Yawn, scroll away grumpy one. You hating on WW articles in WW thread lol.

Originally Posted by IMJ

I had to ask because some of his posting patterns either make no sense or scream of agenda - these articles based on press releases from the studio as if it's actually data or something...

If you actually read the articles I posted, it covers both studio and outside sources too but meh no one cares what you think. We’re getting more Wonder Woman in Zack Snyder’s Justice League and WW3 but haters like you can stay mad.

Enough of that. Back on topic to more Wonder Woman. This one discussed on how it ties back to her debut in BvS.:

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Wonder Woman 1984 Clarifies Diana's Batman v Superman Walked Away Line

https://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-...lked-away/amp/

Wonder Woman 1984 stays in line with what's previously established in the DCEU, explaining Diana's Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice confusing line.

Wonder Woman 1984 properly explains Diana's controversial dialogue in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Debuting in the 2016 Zack Snyder film, the Themysciran princess has been in four DCEU movies thus far, including her second solo installment, which sees her in the '80s. Directed by Patty Jenkins, the sequel reveals more of Diana's life throughout the decades before she joined Batman and Superman's fight against Doomsday in the modern era.

The Amazon's arc in the DCEU already spans several decades, which is unique to the character. After her introduction in Batman v Superman, her 2017 origins film, Wonder Woman, traced her first foray to the human world during World War I following her chance encounter with Steve Trevor after he washed up on the shores of Diana's native Themyscira. In Wonder Woman 1984, Diana is in the '80s, living a lonely life as a social recluse since all her trusted allies and friends from the early 20th century are gone, along with her love, Steve. This makes fighting two new dangerous foes in Maxwell Lord and Babara Ann Minerva/Cheetah so much more difficult

Because Wonder Woman has had the longest stint as a superhero in the DCEU's current roster of heroes, filmmakers have to be more careful in crafting her narrative as details can easily be mixed up, causing plot issues. One of the more vexing ones is from Batman v Superman, where a particular piece of dialogue insinuates she turned her back on mankind, which is inconsistent with what has been seen from her arc thus far. Fortunately, Wonder Woman 1984 shines a light on this issue, clarifying that it's not an inconsistency.

Wonder Woman Says She Walked Away From Mankind

Following their initial encounter at Lex Luthor's party, Bruce Wayne learned about Diana's superhero persona as Wonder Woman after finding Luther's files, which included information for each future member of the Justice League. Her first instinct was to get as far away from Bruce as possible, wanting to maintain her anonymity, but her commitment to the greater good motivated Diana to eventually join Batman and Superman's fight against Doomsday in Metropolis, which resulted in Superman's death following a sacrificial play. At the end of the movie, realizing that her secret was safe with Bruce since he, too, had an alter-ego, she opened up a bit about her life in the past, why she hadn't come out and openly fought bad guys to protect people. “A hundred years ago I walked away from mankind; from a century of horrors… Men made a world where standing together is impossible,” she explained. This line caused some confusion after the first Wonder Woman film came out as Diana didn't seem the type to turn her back on humankind; if anything, she exhibited unwavering faith that there's good in people.

That said, Wonder Woman 1984 makes it clear that this particular dialog has been misinterpreted. Diana said that she walked away "from a century of horrors" and not "for a century," which may mean that she simply shut herself down from mankind, not necessarily for how long. After her first real friends slowly died of old age as she remained the same, she likely opted to keep to herself rather than go through the pain of losing another person she cared about in the future. The sequel highlights this by showing black and white photos of her old allies in her apartment, a few of Steve, and one of an older Etta Candy. So, her Batman v Superman line doesn't necessarily mean the DCEU's Wonder Woman abandoned her responsibility as a superhero — staying true to the morals that motivated her in the first place to leave Themyscira.

Diana Is A Hero In Wonder Woman 1984, But Still A Secret (Mostly)

The idea that Diana only walked away from mankind and not her role as Wonder Woman checks out in Wonder Woman 1984. In the sequel, she's very much still active as a superhero, leading a double life as a Smithsonian employee by day. While she remains committed to her cause, the film also makes it clear that Diana operates anonymously. In the opening sequence, she saves a woman out on a jog by quickly pushing a charging car away from the unaware woman. Diana opted to do this instead of getting the woman out of the way which is arguably much easier to do but would draw more attention to her, effectively blowing up her cover.

Later, during a mall heist, she made sure to disable the CCTV cameras around the area first before going after the perpetrators. While there were a number of onlookers who saw her in action, there was no photographic proof of her operation or evidence it happened. This makes it difficult to confirm her identity as proven by the subsequent news broadcast that only called her "a mysterious female savior." After she heartbreakingly said goodbye to Steve in Washington, she reveals herself to the crowd as Wonder Woman flies for the first time, but people were too busy running around and panicking about the impending doom of potential nuclear war to pay attention to her.

Why Wonder Woman Still Hasn't Revealed Herself To The World

In the contemporary DCEU, Diana has continued to operate stealthily as Wonder Woman as seen in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and also Justice League. This means that even after Wonder Woman 1984, she refused to make any personal attachments with other people. In fact, she was reluctant to do so even with Bruce, but she had no choice in the matter after she realized that a potentially bigger threat than Steppenwolf and Lex Luthor was coming in Darkseid.

In hindsight, it makes so much more sense that she wanted to live in isolation after Wonder Woman 1984; losing Steve again was a stark reminder of how painful it is to say goodbye to people she truly cares about. So, instead of subjecting herself to that vulnerability, this experience only reinforced the idea that it's best to be alone. This could potentially change moving forward, however. Between Diana willingly associating herself with other heroes through the Justice League and Wonder Woman 3 potentially set in the modern DCEU, there's a good chance that she could finally reveal herself to the world.

[Papenbrook]

Now that I have viewed the film, I did think that it had contained ... several unfortunate implications.

Off the top of my head, the film was:

- Adopting racist/xenophobic representations against individuals of Middle Eastern and Indigenous peoples descent
- Lacking broad spectrums of diverse people across race, gender, sexuality, etc.
- Lacking depth with its portrayal of people of color
- Implying, if not outright stating, that women are supposed to be preoccupied with their appearances and/or relationships in relation to their male contemporaries
- Making women compete against each other through conventional beauty standards
- Developing horrific insinuations regarding sexual harassment/assault/abuse

... and those are the only ones that I've noticed.

[Shark_Blade]

Can you include examples from the film for each point?

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Yawn, scroll away grumpy one. You hating on WW articles in WW thread lol.

I am hating on the fact that you are posting whole articles.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

I did think that the film had several ... unfortunate implications.

Including, but not limited to:

- Racist/Xenophobic representations against people of Middle Eastern descent
- Lacking broad spectrums of diverse people across race, gender, sexuality, etc.
- Lacking depth with its portrayal of people of color
- Implying, if not outright stating, that women are supposed to be preoccupied with their appearances and/or relationships in relation to their male contemporaries
- Making women compete against each other through conventional beauty standards
- Developing horrific insinuations regarding sexual harassment/assault/abuse

... and those are the only ones that I've noticed.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Can you include examples from the film for each point?

Ask your local college professor. They'd probably be tickled to fill you in on how WW84 -- or anything else -- is "problematic" in those ways.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I am hating on the fact that you are posting whole articles.

Stay hating then, I don’t care. Scroll away gramps.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ask your local college professor. They'd probably be tickled to fill you in on how WW84 -- or anything else -- is "problematic" in those ways.

Some of the issues highlighted sounds pretty farfetched but eh let’s hear it if they have real points to elaborate.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

We’re getting more Wonder Woman in Zack Snyder’s Justice League and WW3 but haters like you can stay mad.

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics you had to do to come up with this sentence.

Just because I recognize WW 84 as an inadequate movie doesn't mean that hate anything. Just because WW 84 was a weak movie doesn't mean I'm mad about anything. Actually it sounds quite like you are talking about yourself - freaking out with phony analysis and accusations. But I'm sure your brain doesn't compute when your easiest go-to is to write a litany of nonsense lending to your phony diatribe of social accusations at an invisible armada of people out in the world you must see standing against you.

HAHAHA I mean what am I supposed to do? Read what you wrote and weep or something? HAHAHA you f'n basement dweller. God I read your posts and I can only imagine your life growing up.....

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Some of the issues highlighted sounds pretty farfetched but eh let’s hear it if they have real points to elaborate.

LOL yeah I'm sure you'd be open to elements of academic social justice when you cite studio press releases as news and actual results. But please, keep living your life this way so that as the rest of us normally operating people run the race and continue to surpass you. And you'll still be there screaming at an empty room, flinging accusations about nonsense. And then on your deathbed you can recalculate your life and probably not even in that moment be honest with yourself about your misdirected thoughts and wasted energy. Meanwhile everybody else went on their way going after real issues and accomplishments. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA! facepalms lmao

[Coola Yagami]

Such jibberish and SJW garbage.

Including, but not limited to:

- Racist/Xenophobic representations against people of Middle Eastern descent (stereotypes exist for a reason)
- Lacking broad spectrums of diverse people across race, gender, sexuality, etc. (no one cares, we're not gonna shove an extra black dude in there just because)
- Lacking depth with its portrayal of people of color (side characters, who cares)
- Implying, if not outright stating, that women are supposed to be preoccupied with their appearances and/or relationships in relation to their male contemporaries (a lot of them are. how long does it take this guy's wife to get ready to go out to dinner?)
- Making women compete against each other through conventional beauty standards (a lot of them do, imagine that, no one tears apart women more than other women)
- Developing horrific insinuations regarding sexual harassment/assault/abuse (no argument there, Diana did dun raped a dude)

... and those are the only ones that I've noticed.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Such jibberish and SJW garbage.

Yup.....

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Including, but not limited to:

- Racist/Xenophobic representations against people of Middle Eastern descent (stereotypes exist for a reason)
- Lacking broad spectrums of diverse people across race, gender, sexuality, etc. (no one cares, we're not gonna shove an extra black dude in there just because)
- Lacking depth with its portrayal of people of color (side characters, who cares)
- Implying, if not outright stating, that women are supposed to be preoccupied with their appearances and/or relationships in relation to their male contemporaries (a lot of them are. how long does it take this guy's wife to get ready to go out to dinner?)
- Making women compete against each other through conventional beauty standards (a lot of them do, imagine that, no one tears apart women more than other women)
- Developing horrific insinuations regarding sexual harassment/assault/abuse (no argument there, Diana did dun raped a dude)

... and those are the only ones that I've noticed.

What cracks me up is that there is still a world full of people living these cliche, nothing-burger lives who are probably conforming to a million stereotypes of their own in real life. But they get on the internet and it's their one chance to act intellectual so the best thing they can do is make all of these connections where there are none so as to sound enlightened.

And what's even worse is that social tangents like the one quoted here actually shows how dumb they are because they didn't get the joke, didn't understand the zeitgeist or simply made phantom connections in their attempt to sound smart and enlightened.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I can't imagine the mental gymnastics you had to do to come up with this sentence.

Just because I recognize WW 84 as an inadequate movie doesn't mean that hate anything. Just because WW 84 was a weak movie doesn't mean I'm mad about anything. Actually it sounds quite like you are talking about yourself - freaking out with phony analysis and accusations. But I'm sure your brain doesn't compute when your easiest go-to is to write a litany of nonsense lending to your phony diatribe of social accusations at an invisible armada of people out in the world you must see standing against you.

HAHAHA I mean what am I supposed to do? Read what you wrote and weep or something? HAHAHA you f'n basement dweller. God I read your posts and I can only imagine your life growing up.....



LOL yeah I'm sure you'd be open to elements of academic social justice when you cite studio press releases as news and actual results. But please, keep living your life this way so that as the rest of us normally operating people run the race and continue to surpass you. And you'll still be there screaming at an empty room, flinging accusations about nonsense. And then on your deathbed you can recalculate your life and probably not even in that moment be honest with yourself about your misdirected thoughts and wasted energy. Meanwhile everybody else went on their way going after real issues and accomplishments. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA! facepalms lmao

Like I said you don’t even have the capacity to even read the articles properly so why bother with your narrow mindedness. You’re a lost case, lost in your own little world.

Basement dweller? Seems like you’re projecting yourself too Lol HAHA What a joke you are.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Such jibberish and SJW garbage.

Including, but not limited to:

- Racist/Xenophobic representations against people of Middle Eastern descent (stereotypes exist for a reason)
- Lacking broad spectrums of diverse people across race, gender, sexuality, etc. (no one cares, we're not gonna shove an extra black dude in there just because)
- Lacking depth with its portrayal of people of color (side characters, who cares)
- Implying, if not outright stating, that women are supposed to be preoccupied with their appearances and/or relationships in relation to their male contemporaries (a lot of them are. how long does it take this guy's wife to get ready to go out to dinner?)
- Making women compete against each other through conventional beauty standards (a lot of them do, imagine that, no one tears apart women more than other women)
- Developing horrific insinuations regarding sexual harassment/assault/abuse (no argument there, Diana did dun raped a dude)

... and those are the only ones that I've noticed.

All interesting points. The rape thing... is it even rape if the soul is same but the shell is different? Hmm.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Like I said you don’t even have the capacity to even read the articles properly so why bother with your narrow mindedness. You’re a lost case, lost in your own little world.

Basement dweller? Seems like you’re projecting yourself too Lol HAHA What a joke you are.



All interesting points. The rape thing... is it even rape if the soul is same but the shell is different? Hmm.

I just know if the genders were reversed and Steve had sex with Wonder Woman while she is some random woman's body, everyone would have made a shitstorm about it. The stereotypical 'it's ok if it's a woman doing it' thing that makes everyone give Wonder Woman a pass.