Wonder Woman 1984

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I am hating on the fact that you are posting whole articles.

I concur with this.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Stay hating then, I don’t care. Scroll away gramps.

If you keep posting entire long-ass articles rather than let the threads be for conversations as intended, I will absolutely report you for spamming.

The links to the articles will suffice if you just HAVE to rub people's faces in WB propaganda. Stop annoying people. If anyone cares they'll click the damn link.

Seriously, enough.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I just know if the genders were reversed and Steve had sex with Wonder Woman while she is some random woman's body, everyone would have made a shitstorm about it. The stereotypical 'it's ok if it's a woman doing it' thing that makes everyone give Wonder Woman a pass.

100% Truth. I can hardly believe 1. That actually made it into the movie, and 2. That more people aren't up in arms about it. That's terrible!

...Totally unrelated, but on the same topic of "Things In Movies That Are Only NOT Horrifying Because It's A Chick Protagonist"... how about "The Shape Of Water", huh? I mean seriously, if someone wrote a movie script about a dude f*cking a fish-person rather than a chick, that "someone" not only would NOT win an Oscar, that movie would never get made AND they'd be committed for the rest of their life.

What the f*ck is going on anymore? Like in both movies' cases, if it's a chick, it's "romantic", if it's a guy it's "sick". It's sick regardless! Come ON, People!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I concur with this.



If you keep posting entire long-ass articles rather than let the threads be for conversations as intended, I will absolutely report you for spamming.

The links to the articles will suffice if you just HAVE to rub people's faces in WB propaganda. Stop annoying people. If anyone cares they'll click the damn link.

Seriously, enough.



100% Truth. I can hardly believe 1. That actually made it into the movie, and 2. That more people aren't up in arms about it. That's terrible!

...Totally unrelated, but on the same topic of "Things In Movies That Are Only NOT Horrifying Because It's A Chick Protagonist"... how about "The Shape Of Water", huh? I mean seriously, if someone wrote a movie script about a dude f*cking a fish-person rather than a chick, that "someone" not only would NOT win an Oscar, that movie would never get made AND they'd be committed for the rest of their life.

What the f*ck is going on anymore? Like in both movies' cases, if it's a chick, it's "romantic", if it's a guy it's "sick". It's sick regardless! Come ON, People!

I think the hidden message there is 'all men are evil and ****ed up assholes' so of course to find true love the woman had to **** a fishguy.

A man doesn't have that excuse 'cause women are queens' and 'he just hasn't found the right one', so there's no reason for him to **** a fishwoman other than he's a sicko.

Hollywood always portrays men as just wanting to dick down everything they see, and woman as only wanting sex if it comes with along with romance and passion.

While that might be true for some, Hollywood always ignores the fact that a lot of men legit want to find 'the one' and settle down with a family and loving wife, til death do em part and a lot of women out there just want the entire football team to take turns on them.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I just know if the genders were reversed and Steve had sex with Wonder Woman while she is some random woman's body, everyone would have made a shitstorm about it. The stereotypical 'it's ok if it's a woman doing it' thing that makes everyone give Wonder Woman a pass.

Dork Shark is weaving his own social conversation without guidance. It's all hyperbole. He's disingenuous, don't believe him.

As for your point here? I have to agree completely. Just like Dork Shark, the complainers in your well illustrated example would complain as a matter of convenience to feed their personal psychology. Your example would've led to movie-born-social turmoil for basement dwellers, and a renewed opportunity for basement dweller-verbal-vengeance - like Shark Dor... errr whatever - inconsequential internet pot stirrer guy.

But I'd point out - don't actually think he's interested in your opinion as much as trying to manipulate the social flow by pretending to be more agreeable with you by contrast of being disagreeable if he doesn't like someone like me who hammers home his foolishness. Shark Dork is a total POS. Don't be fooled into believing there is real conversation to be had with him.

Originally Posted by Leo656

If you keep posting entire long-ass articles rather than let the threads be for conversations as intended, I will absolutely report you for spamming.

The links to the articles will suffice if you just HAVE to rub people's faces in WB propaganda. Stop annoying people. If anyone cares they'll click the damn link.

Exactly.

Most reasonable folks here can tell he's posting hyperbole as fact, which is exactly what I illustrated earlier that made him bug up. He's disingenuous. Don't believe him. And for all of his retorts, I don't see anyone defending his position or his assaults.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think the hidden message there is 'all men are evil and ****ed up assholes' so of course to find true love the woman had to **** a fishguy.

A man doesn't have that excuse 'cause women are queens' and 'he just hasn't found the right one', so there's no reason for him to **** a fishwoman other than he's a sicko.

As for the real conversation, nowadays we can't help but come to this conclusion. We've been force fed it by internet children and online social crusaders who fail at real life. And then Hollywood picked up on it as if it were a real movement for a few years.

A lot of this can be chaulked up to generational ego - I mean one of the top songs right now calls Ava Max and her cohort Kings and Queens. These people call themselves "Queens" and "kings". LMAO! We used to be humble people striving to be better. But now guys like Ass Shark call themselves "kings" and post movie studio rhetoric as if it were real data in support for his Ninja Turtle forum argument against invisible enemies. And when they don't rear their head in real life, guys like Shark Taint creates them by calling people "woman haters" because they didn't like a movie.

I'd quit bringing the guy up, but he's an easy target and a clear, clear example of this. And so, to serve your example, it is what it is in the shallow end of the internet for fishwoman and fishguy.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I just know if the genders were reversed and Steve had sex with Wonder Woman while she is some random woman's body, everyone would have made a shitstorm about it. The stereotypical 'it's ok if it's a woman doing it' thing that makes everyone give Wonder Woman a pass.

It’s interesting that something similar happened to Batman.

He was drugged and raped by Thalia Al-Ghul, she got pregnant and that’s how we got Damian Wayne. Yet society doesn’t seem to care much.



If WW got drugged and raped there would be such an uproar definitely.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

It’s interesting that something similar happened to Batman.

He was drugged and raped by Thalia Al-Ghul, she got pregnant and that’s how we got Damian Wayne. Yet society doesn’t seem to care much.



If WW got drugged and raped there would be such an uproar definitely.

I have to agree there. Damian, love him or hate him, is still pretty bad ass. The kinda kid where if you lock him in a room with the Joker, you'd be more afraid for the Joker.

But yeah, it doesn't matter if Wonder Woman was forced to give birth to the next big legendary beloved superhero of all time that surpasses even Batman and Superman in terms of popularity, they'd never let the writers live down the fact that they made whoever drug and rape Wonder Woman to make it happen. You know they would eventually retcon that backstory post haste.

[Andrew NDB]

Wait, so Batman actually had sex to create Damian? I thought it was some elaborate blood/DNA theft, coupled with science and a test tube baby.

I mean, they SHOULD have just made it Damian was made normal.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wait, so Batman actually had sex to create Damian? I thought it was some elaborate blood/DNA theft, coupled with science and a test tube baby.

I mean, they SHOULD have just made it Damian was made normal.

Nope, Batman was drugged and Talia Al Ghul had her way with him and thus we had Damian.

Funny thing was in a later comic several women from the League of the Assassins had Tim Drake tied down and were gonna do the same with him and one of his thoughts was 'Isn't this how we got stuck with Damian?'

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wait, so Batman actually had sex to create Damian? I thought it was some elaborate blood/DNA theft, coupled with science and a test tube baby.

You are probably confusing him with ANOTHER Batman son.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Looks like the RLM media guys rip it a new one:



"They let her write it?"

Heh, I think my favorite part was near the beginning when they exhaustively list off the existing streaming platforms (making sure to slight DC Universe, in particular) and estimating a monthly bill of about $17k.

EDIT: Seriously, what a rip that the 15 people who subscribe to DC Universe didn't get WW84 thrown in as a bonus.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Heh, I think my favorite part was near the beginning when they exhaustively list off the existing streaming platforms (making sure to slight DC Universe, in particular) and estimating a monthly bill of about $17k.

EDIT: Seriously, what a rip that the 15 people who subscribe to DC Universe didn't get WW84 thrown in as a bonus.

Do they even know that exists? I've never heard of any "DC Universe" streaming ap. Is that where you go to watch Robin tell Batman "F*** you" or whatever? Meh.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Do they even know that exists? I've never heard of any "DC Universe" streaming ap.

Apparently, it's getting a rebrand this month!
https://www.dcuniverse.com/news/dc-u...erse-infinite/

Looks like it's now gonna be focused on comics while the media content goes to HBO Max.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Do they even know that exists? I've never heard of any "DC Universe" streaming ap. Is that where you go to watch Robin tell Batman "F*** you" or whatever? Meh.

Titans is a great show, it'd be nice for it to get another shot.

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Apparently, it's getting a rebrand this month!
https://www.dcuniverse.com/news/dc-u...erse-infinite/

Looks like it's now gonna be focused on comics while the media content goes to HBO Max.

AT&T/Warner have tons of streaming stuff so hopefully they eventually merge it all into HBO Max, they had one for their Boomerang cartoons as well and I believe someone once listed all the different ones. HBO Max could have enough content to make it worthwhile if they get their act together.

[Leo656]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/patty-jenkin...not-1845984253

But during a recent conversation on Marc Maron’s WTF podcast (via Indiewire), Jenkins went into detail about how intensely she felt sidelined after being tapped for Wonder Woman—so much so that to Jenkins, it seemed as if the studio only wanted her around for optics.

“They wanted to hire me like a beard,” Jenkins said. “They wanted me to walk around on set as a woman, but it was their story and their vision. And my ideas? They didn’t even want to read my script.”

....Oh, YEAH, she's definitely coming back for Part 3 after going around dropping juicy bits like that in interviews. Those are totally the things people say when they have a strong relationship with their employer; totally NOT what they say when they're on the way out to a higher-paying Disney gig and not caring about burning a bridge. Totally!

Mark my words: The immediate press release about her coming back for WW3 was an attempt to save face after the lousy reviews. Behind closed doors, she was almost definitely scolded for sh*tting the bed with this sequel to the one "sure thing" movie franchise DC had, after all her demands for more money and creative control led to... This Movie. WB realize that she's overrated and not worth the hassle and told her she's free to walk if she wants. She's got the Star Wars movie lined up and wasn't gonna have time to do WW3 any time soon anyway, so she said Fine, she'll leave. For their part, WB talk her up by saying how brilliant she is and how they simply can't wait to have her come back and do part 3, "If and When she's ready" (which gives them a way to save face when that absolutely doesn't happen; it'll just look like Bad Timing). For HER part, she's been spending all week telling anyone who'll listen how awful it was to work for WB. Is this getting through to you guys yet? I wasn't in the room or anything, but I promise you, that's the way it went down.

Seriously, the things she's saying about WB in nearly every single interview - while most likely true - are NOT the things a person says when they expect to be invited back. She KNOWS she's not coming back, so she's giving them the finger on her way out the door on her way to get some of that sweet Disney cash. THAT'S what's happening. There will inevitably be a WW3, but it WON'T be with Patty Jenkins directing it. WB would look like idiots to bring her back after the way she's been trashing them in the press for almost two weeks now.

The good news for them, is that WW84 proved that the first movie was a fluke and mostly as good as it was because Zack Snyder oversaw its production and gave her "notes". Working completely on her own with full creative control, Jenkins couldn't hack it. They gambled their biggest franchise on her, gave in to her every whim, and they lost. Now that it's "tarnished", they don't NEED Patty Jenkins anymore. They could have just about anyone direct WW3, and even if it turned out mediocre it won't be a big deal anymore. And it might even turn out better than this one did. So WB has no reason to bend over for her again. So that's Good News for WB.

The good news for Patty Jenkins, is that it's almost 100% certain that while she's got the ear of the Disney executives she'll leverage her "creative genius" into directing a Marvel movie. And when those movies turn out mediocre or bad, nobody cares and they still make a lot of money and get good reviews, just because of the branding. People are a LOT more forgiving of Marvel movies, basically. So that should prove to be a better fit for her in the long run.

But yeah, she and DC are going through a divorce and just making it look amicable for "The Kids". But it will ultimately prove to be what's best for both parties. The only "losers" in the situation are the people who think the first WW movie's success was 100% on her. And while her input definitely did help and there's no denying that, I think we can safely put the idea that it was ALL thanks to her to bed.

[Andrew NDB]

We know that WB gave Jenkins (and Gadot) big, BIG sweetheart deals to play ball and shut up while they put WW1984 on HBO Max.

Must have been really big.

[Leo656]

Not big enough for Jenkins, obviously, since she totally ignored the "Shut Up" part and instead seems hellbent on "Ray Fisher-ing" herself.

It's whatever, she'll get more money at Disney and if her work is subpar no one will notice or care.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Not big enough for Jenkins, obviously, since she totally ignored the "Shut Up" part and instead seems hellbent on "Ray Fisher-ing" herself.

Has she said anything disparaging about her time making WW1984? Seems like only about the first one. And oddly only very suddenly.

My personal take? She got a huge, ridiculously huge payout for the HBO Max "Keep quiet and let us do this!" WW1984 deal, plus assumedly even the first option rights to WW 3 as we see now. This buys her silence on everything during and after but about WW1984. BUT... perhaps she had such a miserable time in post with the film or something else, suddenly this is making her spit bile in the only direction she legally can at this point -- at the first movie.

[Leo656]

She's still biting the hand that fed her either way, and it simply isn't a good look.

And if you look at the comments section of that article, nearly every single comment out of hundreds is some variant of, "Well geez, Patty, if WB was meddling so much with the first Wonder Woman movie, and they gave you full control over THIS one... well sh*t, I never thought I'd say this but maybe we need MORE WB meddling and not less. Because the first WW movie was a hell of a lot better than THIS one."

People are making it clear that with regard to Patty Jenkins and her uncensored "vision" for Diana, it's overwhelmingly Do Not Want. She needs supervision, not to be given tons of money and creative control "Because Wimmin".

She's done at DC/WB. No matter what they say "out loud" right now. They don't want her there, and she doesn't want to be there. She's done. This is textbook bridge-burning. First movie, New movie... she's openly saying how bad they've treated her and in the same breath she's bragging about holding them "hostage" for more money, just so she could come back and direct a movie that it turns out nobody even likes. This is an embarrassment for everyone involved. WB looks bad, and she looks worse.

There is no upside to her coming back for WW3. Especially not for WB. They bring her back, they look pussy-whipped after all the sh*t she talked about them in the media. The movie's not even getting a good reaction. They'd look beyond desperate if they brought her back. And it's clear she doesn't like working there, anyway.

So yeah... the "honeymoon" is over. She's done.

I had a bad feeling this would happen. The first Wonder Woman movie, I maintain, was quite good. But a big success on someone's First Big Project has a habit of going directly to their head and suddenly they're an asshole and nobody can tell them that their ideas are bad. George Lucas, Joss Whedon, Tim Burton... now Patty Jenkins. It's such a cliche but it's constantly true regardless. Nothing corrupts Talent like Success. It's a shame, but... we should have seen this coming.

[Coola Yagami]

With WB being so reactionary, WW84 bombing will pretty much ensure Jenkins isn't coming back. Though I'm surprised they announced a WW3.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

With WB being so reactionary, WW84 bombing will pretty much ensure Jenkins isn't coming back. Though I'm surprised they announced a WW3.

Shit, WB will announce anything and has done so from the beginning. Doesn't mean shit.

After all, does anybody think that Cyborg movie is still happening?

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Shit, WB will announce anything and has done so from the beginning. Doesn't mean shit.

After all, does anybody think that Cyborg movie is still happening?

Not with complainer Ray they aren't.